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Why I Chose Opposition to Trump

The reason I put the category Opposition to Trump on the pages is because some of these people criticized his polices and behavior. I thought that counts as opposition.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.132.30.75 (talk) 17:37, 5 June 2017‎

Post message to you

Weller, I addressed my post to you on User talk:Doug Weller Page just as I am now. On this page, I addressed the issues and questions you posted to me. On the Nephilim Talk page I addressed the subject of the article Nephilim and the deletion of referenced edit that gave the definition according to the Hebraic/Aramaic original language of the Old Testament, and what the theory of fallen angels came from that is mentioned in the article. On the Nephilim page I showed a brief literary structure for the Flood story that gave context to the definition that referenced, highly used source gave. All of this deals with thatt which is on the article Nephilim. All this was not acceptable because the Wikipedia writer didn't like someone correcting the errors in their article. they would rather have 1/2 truths and lies then the truth. I have had friends use books written by authors on themselves, as well as interviews that the person gave and attest to about themselves, which the article was on. None of this was acceptable. All that the staff of Wikipedia will allow is some punctuation, a name, etc. As I have stated, read what is on the internet about Wikipedia. A fellow staff member of Wikipedia, who deemed to attack, insult, demean a great work, and act uncivil, stated: "Personal attacks damage the community and deter users.", but he need not worry for by the internet he and other staff members have already done this. This staff member by his word and action showed his position, and the position of Wikipedia, one of disdain for truth, hatred and bigotry for classic, highly used, even by universities, referenced works, and that it is all right for him, and other Wikipedia staff members to malign, insult, attack, and be uncivil, but an outsider does not have any rights to respond to their attack. When a person points out in a civil (no name calling, or telling him where to go) manner how what he said was not only insulting, attacking, and uncivil, but also, the works he he is demeaning is highly used and valuable works that give insight, and that his statement shows his lack of knowledge and understanding for literature, and his bigotry for literature and for those of us who refer to them. His response is equal to him running to mommy and saying "he said truthful things about me that I don't like punish him mommy, Waaaaa, Waaa." He showed that according to Wikipedia, that he and other staff members can attack, insult, demean, and be uncivil to the people coming onto Wikipedia, but the people are not allowed to say anything except "yes master, whatever you want Master.", or Wikipedia will punish. You may not like what I is said here but it is the truth. And according to the many articles on the internet many are in agreement with me. As it is put on the internet that: Wikipedia has descended into an oligarchy. An oligarchy is a governing body that holds all the power, and does not allow any outside individual to have any say, or power, nor permits any challenge to their power. Even you failed to show basic knowledge of the subject, like not knowing the phrase Hebraic/Aramaic, Not knowing the literary structure that gives the context of the word nephilim. Not knowing how to study an ancient writing (the 6 contexts used). Finally, by not seeing that all that was given leads to, and refers to, the context of the word nephilim, which the article is on. You asked for: "Can you both quote Wilson and show us other sources", which I gave to you, and you and the Wikipedia staff hate because it is valid, reference, true, and correct. What is a shame is that a favorite, what use to be a very good science site, appears to have been taken over by Wikipedia, for it is using the same format, and has destroyed the site. The site has been taken form great to so/so. What a shame. As on all my posts I have given paragraphs, but when saved they disappeared. We will see if it happens again.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.253.207.88 (talk) 19:37, 31 July 2017‎

Republic of Venice

Hello, could you please specify why none of external links added to the article Republic of Venice does not meet WP:EL guideline. Thanks, --Silverije (talk) 21:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

The external links were not about the Republic of Venice, but about the wars between Venice and the Kingdom of Hungary. --Rosso Veneziano (talk) 13:23, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

That's one good reason why they shouldn't be in the article. Also, we don't use links to Google books as external links. The ability to view them varies from country to country and links should be viewable from wherever the reader lives. The list of documents might make sense to you but I don't see how the average reader would find it useful. Anything about these wars should be in the article or should have links to other Wikipedia articles, not external linkss that relate only to one small aspect of the main article. We try to have a minimum number of links, so links to things so specific just aren't appropriate. Doug Weller talk 17:52, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

The wars of the Republic of Venice against other countries also deal with the Republic of Venice. Although they can be put into articles like „Wars and battles of the Republic of Venice“ or „History of the Republic of Venice“ instead, of course, if such exist. But they should be at least mentioned in the main article as well. As for external links, I see them as more useful for the average reader (because of direct access) than references or notes which are rather complicated and sometimes unclear. --Silverije (talk) 18:49, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

The wars are ALREADY mentioned. There is no need to add specific external links for a very small piece of Venetian History.

BTW the article is "History of Venice" and not "Brave Croatian patriots against evil Venetians" (... this is the POV you try to push with your edits).--Rosso Veneziano (talk) 18:57, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I would like to talk to Doug Weller, if I may. --Silverije (talk) 17:55, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

I've already explained myself. I also agree with Rosso Venezianao. Doug Weller talk 18:09, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Do you also agree with his vandalism at the very beginning of the lead section of the article Croatian-Venetian wars? --Silverije (talk) 09:20, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

This is what i'd call vandalism. Or, to better say, extreme POV pushing. I've seen your edits in Republic of Venice, then I've checked all your edits. ... and I'm still disappointed. This is not a place where to place your personal opinions.--Rosso Veneziano (talk) 12:42, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

P.S.: I still think that the article Croatian-Venetian wars is filled with POVs. Honestly, I've no time to waste about this problem.--Rosso Veneziano (talk) 12:47, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion

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Wikidata weekly summary #278

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A Question about Watchlists

Hello Doug and page stalkers. I figured I'd ask here because I've gotten a lot of good answers here in the past. Suppose one were to, say, create a new entry at a heavily-trafficked place like RPP or ANI. Is there a way to Watchlist just that particular section of the page, or is it necessary to simply Watchlist the whole page, even if one isn't interested in looking at the other 95% of stuff that will go on there on any given day? Alephb (talk) 06:57, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

(talk page gnome) @Alephb: Unless you watch the whole page, or a bot existed which you could subscribe to which could notify you (I'm not sure that exists), perhaps that you'd like the {{not watching}} template which alerts other editors to ping you if they reply. Of course, that is only useful if you expect a direct reply rather than following a thread... —PaleoNeonate – 07:05, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Adding: it's possible to transclude a section of a page elsewhere like on a personal user page, but to get notifications watching the page or a ping would still be necessary. —PaleoNeonate – 07:06, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. I can stick with regular watchlisting. It's not much of a hassle. I just figured that, just in case there was a tool, I'd check. Sometimes I've done a large quantity of editing before realizing there's a tool that would have made it easier. I'd rather watch than ask for pings, but thanks for bringing up the possibility.Alephb (talk) 07:10, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh, also -- is there any way you could point me toward an explanation of what this "transclude" business is all about? Alephb (talk) 07:10, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

There's also of course the "related changes" functionality (under "Tools" in the left bar) which functions like a watchlist, but using links from the current page/category, so it's possible to simulate multiple watchlists organized each on their topic... Welcome, —PaleoNeonate – 07:12, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Sure: Example to transclude (include in the current page) the section "Monitoring" of the page "Wikipedia:Project Skepticism": {{#section-h:Wikipedia:WikiProject Skepticism|Monitoring}}. To transclude the whole page, it would simply be {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Skepticism}} (treating the page like a template). I hope this helps, —PaleoNeonate – 07:17, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Adding: WP:TRANS for all about transclusion —PaleoNeonate – 07:21, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I had no idea a "related changes" feature existed. I'll look into it. Alephb (talk) 07:15, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Me neither, thanks to the questioner and the answerer. groupuscule (talk) 07:56, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I assume it would be fine to take an article and transclude a bit of it into my userspace and transclude something into it to get familiar with how it all works? Alephb (talk) 07:22, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Go ahead, even the preview feature should immediately show the results, if I remember so there's no need to save tests. —PaleoNeonate – 07:24, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

BTW, sorry if you already knew about it, but in case user talk pages are unresponsive and you need rather technical help, WP:VPT is a good place (WP:HD and WP:TH too but VPT is more technical). —PaleoNeonate – 07:28, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I didn't know about that either. It's possible that I saw it somewhere before but didn't notice. Does anybody mind that I started here? If it's a bother I can make sure to try VPT first next time. But if it doesn't bother people, I might just keep using this talk page from time to time. It's been very helpful several times. Alephb (talk) 07:38, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

I cannot tell for Doug Weller, but I don't see this as a problem at all. I'm always glad to help if I can, —PaleoNeonate – 07:45, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much again both to the questioner and to the answerer. The whole exchange, in the manner of asking and in the technical answers provided was very helpful for someone that has been watching and learning at WP for a pretty long time, but who still does not get many of the technical features of the wiki platform and technology. warshy ^(¥¥) 13:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

@Alephb, Warshy, PaleoNeonate, and Groupuscule: you all are welcome here. I use related changes to keep track of ArbCom stuff. Sorry I've been busy. Doug Weller talk 18:49, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Irish Bull Terrier

Hi Doug, Any ideas or suggestions as to what to do with Irish Bull Terrier? It's been re-directed a few times before and has now been changed to an article again. The only two current refs (dogbreedinfo.com and molosserdogs.com) are not reliable, especially dogbreedinfo. "... bread by Hinks ..." is a lesson in why spell checks don't help people much, isn't it? ;-) SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:58, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I'll get back to you on this. Doug Weller talk 19:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

FYI ...

see [1]. Paul August ☎ 14:05, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

@Paul August: Thanks. I was out for a walk but saw an email alert to this, and Drmies has handled it. Well spotted. Doug Weller talk 16:26, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

That edit was undone, but not revdeled (which is assume what drmies meant to do), and now the edit has beenm redone. Paul August ☎ 18:40, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Fixed. Doug Weller talk 19:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Strange page history on Aum Shinrikyo

Aum Shinrikyo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has a few recent edits appearantly revision deleted, but there is no warning on the IP's talk page. It seems like some problem with the servers. Trying to figure out what the IP is up to. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 07:19, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

@Jim1138: 129.126.149.147 (talk · contribs) is the IP in question, who did get a cluebot warning and was blocked for 2 weeks by Widr. Doug Weller talk 07:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Signature

Hi, Doug. Just drawing your attention back to this edit. Not sure if you meant to sign or just time stamp. Cheers! -Location (talk) 15:54, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Recent years

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Yahweh

There we go again with BG9M0THH8H3... Should SPI cases still be filed each time? Thanks, —PaleoNeonate – 09:43, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Filed, sorry for the trouble. —PaleoNeonate – 09:59, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@PaleoNeonate: Never any trouble, sorry I've been busy. Doug Weller talk 12:39, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Ethics/Outing Question

Imagine, hypothetically, that I just realized that there's good reason to believe that a particular annonymous account is a sockpuppet of another account which edits under a real name. Is this something I can bring up at SPI, or would that constitute outing. Just to be clear -- imagine that there was an editor called Tony Blair, who was claiming to be the actual real-world politicians. And then there was an account called FibbleSchnits, or something, and I suspected that the two were one and the same. Can I take this to SPI? Alephb (talk) 14:26, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@Alephb: If we had an editor called Tony Blair he'd have to prove who he is, but I guess that's not what you mean. If someone states their real name on Wikipedia they can't be outed. So no one can out me. A lot of good editors have alternate accounts, and that's not against the rules if used properly. But read WP:ILLEGIT. If you see someone that you think is improperly using an alternative account, then there is an issue that could be reported to WP:SPI. The section below that discusses legitimate uses of alternative accounts. You can always email me if you want to discuss a specific issue before filing an SPI. Doug Weller talk 14:58, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Disruptive edits

Please take a look at this changes. The user is POV pushing with non-academical, charlatan sources and also falsified the source 95. I can't edit the page, as it is semi-protected but an admin intervention is needed. 206.125.61.18 (talk) 19:07, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

I see another editor beat me to it. I agree. Doug Weller talk 18:46, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

False narrative concerning the ratification of the Constitution of my country, the United States of America

You have removed the edit I made to ameliorate a false narrative concerning the ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America. I hope you understand that receiving Tarleton's quarter when, as a new user, I attempted to correct this error, that I would feel justifiably passionate about this. Why is someone with a doctorate in Intellectual history disqualified as a source? What does "sourced disagreeing" mean? Why is that virtually any edit I make is second guessed with no talk and no research done concerning it? If anyone has actually looked into my source, then why is it that the only thing that is mentioned is a harsh judgement concerning it?