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can anybody help me to make this article error free

can any buddy help me to make this article error free :( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahendra_Mewati i am very new to Wikipedia :) Sumitmpsd (talk) 07:02, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

hello @Sumitmpsd, you mean grammar-wise or content wise? Grammar wise seems ok to me, it's very short anyway. Content wise is very little content, and the sources are not in a language I understand so I can't help with that. The problem with that banner is that there are not sufficient sources that prove that this guys is notable enough. Check it out here. It would help to have couple of sources in English. If you think that is not the case anymore since you published enough sources you can delete the banner, I guess. ----Beleriandcrises (talk) 09:37, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello Sumitmpsd and welcome to the Teahouse! The way the article Mahendra Mewati stands presented currently, there are several issues with it. You'd want to check the guidelines for notability and notability for actors. Going by the references, I am unsure with the content in references 1 and 2 for the language they are presented in. Reference 3 is notable, but it doesn't go into the details of the said actor. Reference 4 looks good for the claim of graduation. You might want to find more independent sources that focus on the individual. Further, the 'refname' had been invoked but never used and instead, the same reference had been cited twice. Though I've fixed it, you can read here on how to use the same reference multiple times in an article.

Remember that Wikipedia has guidelines on copyright that need attribution and request from the original author if the content (photograph in this case) is to be published. I can see that the image has its origin in a blog where the author hasn't shared the details of the image. Make sure you have the permission and attribution if the image is copyrighted, else it might be taken down.

Your edits are limited to more or less this article and Anubhuti kashyap, or articles relating to them. Before creating any more articles, please read Wikipedia:Your first article. Henceforth, submit your draft article for review rather than posting it in the mainspace, where there's a good chance for such articles to be nominated for deletion. Until then, you can keep editing (and learn from) other articles that more experienced editors have contributed to, simultaneously improving your article. Good luck! Mark the train^Discuss 10:08, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Mark the train and Beleriandcrises: reference 1 just mentions that he was in the play. The second one is a distinctly POV source praising him at every opportunity and says absolutely nothing about the material it is supposed to be citing. (this is based on Google Translate, so not perfect, but good enough for a general idea) -A lad insane (Channel 2) 15:58, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Patronizing welcome?

Thanks so much for your friendly welcome User:WillKomen. I can't wait to start editing! — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaraLouiseN (talk • contribs) 08:25, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello CaraLouiseN and welcome to the Teahouse.

Based on your edit summary, you felt patronized by either the welcome message or the Wikipedia Adventure game. I assure you, it was not intended to make you feel bad. As you get more experience with editing and start interacting with other editors, it's recommended that you - at least initially - assume they are acting in good faith. I found TWA to be a bit dumb, myself, but it did give me an introduction on a few important aspects of editing here on WP that I probably needed as I was getting started. Don't forget to sign your contributions on talk and project pages, please. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 16:23, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, CaraLouiseN, the invitation to the "Wikipedia Adventure" is patronising when directed at adults. Others have complained about it. You are not being singled out. Maproom (talk) 06:49, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Proposing deletion for an article, should I do it?

This article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sangley_Point_International_Airport, is not true. There is no construction ongoing in sangley point. There are also no reliable and verifiable sources to prove that this is true. Should I propose deletion? Itsquietuptown (talk) 10:20, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Hey Itsquietuptown. If you feel that you've done a thorough search for possible sources, and found that there is not enough coverage about the subject to meet our notability guidelines, then it's perfectly appropriate to nominate the article for a deletion discussion by following the steps at WP:AFDHOW. However, keep in mind that the notability of a subject is based on the available sources everywhere, and not just on the sources present in an article, or the condition of the article as it stands. So be sure you have exhausted every obvious avenue for finding additional sources before nominating, to avoid unnecessarily using up the time of volunteers who participate in these discussions. TJW^talk 10:52, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I only found news articles about proposals but not about the construction of Sangley Point International Airport. I think I could just make a new section about the proposals in the original article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danilo_Atienza_Air_Base, and then delete the old article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itsquietuptown (talk • contribs) 13:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, Itsquietuptown... We also have to keep in mind that existence per se is mostly irrelevant for the purposes of Wikipedia. There are many things that exist, but don't have coverage in reliable sources enough to warrant an article. Conversely, there are many things that don't exist, or do not exist yet that do warrant an article, because they have received significant in-depth coverage. TJW^talk 14:34, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, if you do write a section in Danilo Atienza Air Base, then rather than deleting Sangley Point International Airport it could just be redirected to Danilo Atienza Air Base so it isn't recreated. ~ GB fan 16:40, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm still confused. Should I still delete the article, make a redirect to Danilo Atienza Air Base, then make a new section on it? I haven't found any verifiable sources with proof that Sangley Point International Airport is in construction. Itsquietuptown (talk) 01:22, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

@Itsquietuptown: You don't have to delete a page to create a redirect (WP:BLAR). So, if you are very sure that you could replace Sangley Point International Airport article with a section in the Danilo Atienza Air Base article then "Be bold" enough to do it. Of course don't forget to blank the page and redirect it to that section ;-) - - Kaartic ^{correct me, if i'm wrong} 17:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Contribute to Wiki

Hello I would like to contribute some pages of interest to wiki I thought wiki was basis and partial I have been looking at wikipedia pages for years and you never have any of the people, places or things that I would like to know more about for example you have Musical.ly up here but don't have VideoStar the app that started it all you have Johnny Orlando but don't have Qeuyl you allow IMDB as sourceable but don't allow IMVDB you accept fan made blogs but don't accept small magazines as sourceable information it seems to me that Wikipedia is very harsh to noobs or maybe I'm doing something wrong . Chrisbrad (talk) 22:36, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

@Chrisbrad: Hello and welcome. I'm not sure what you've been reading, but IMDB is not considered a reliable source as it is user-editable. I'm sure that it wouldn't be too hard to find it in articles, as this is a volunteer effort and things can only be removed if someone sees them. For information on what reliable sources are, please click on WP:RS. It is true that there is a steep learning curve to Wikipedia for new users, especially if they want to dive into creating articles. Creating articles is one of the hardest things to do here. Most new editors who become successful did so by starting small, making small edits to existing articles, then gradually working their way up to bigger edits and creating articles. You may want to consider making small edits to existing articles, which will help you learn how Wikipedia works. You may also find it educational to play The Wikipedia Adventure(located at WP:ADVENTURE) which is a tutorial of sorts to using and editing Wikipedia. If you have any other questions, please post them below. 331dot (talk) 22:44, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Chrisbrad. A "small" magazine can most certainly be a reliable source, if it has professional editorial control and a reputation for accuracy and correcting errors. With very limited exceptions, IMDb is not a reliable source. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:19, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for all your insight I will once again continue to submit my articles on the people, places and things that are missing from the wiki world Chrisbrad (talk) 15:26, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

deleted page

I tried to create a page for my grandfather who is a relative of two famous actors and had a career himself. The article ended up deleted and I hate that it was. He deserves a page just as much as his brother and sister. How can I get it to stay?

Devilsfanatic3026 (talk) 00:51, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Devilsfanatic3026. The article you wrote was deleted as the result of this debate: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akhtar Hussain (writer). In that debate, you wrote "I feel he has been short changed by the industry because he wasn't as well known as his more famous siblings. It is hard for me to find sources for this outside of IMDB because he wasn't as well known as them." Those sentences were really arguments for deleting the article rather than keeping it. Wikipedia has articles only about notable actors and notable authors, and this is shown by significant coverage in independent, reliable sources. Since I am an administrator, I can view deleted articles. The one you wrote was referenced only to IMDb which is not a reliable source for establishing the notability of an actor. If it is true that this person wasn't very well known and that sources are hard to find, then it is a almost impossible to write an acceptable Wikipedia biography of this person. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:38, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Devilsfanatic3026 if your grandfather was involved in the lives of his famous relatives, it may be appropriate to add information about his relationship with his siblings. You may want to pursue that angle, but remember that the article needs to be about them, not him. It would only be OK to add information if it's from a reliable source and if he was a significant part of their lives, which is sometimes the case. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:01, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

List of Copts - Page won't link

Hello Teahouse Members,

I appreciate having been invited here as a friendly learning space. I'm drafting Draft:Wael K. Barsoum who is a member of the Egyptian Coptic Church. I am having trouble getting the [[1]] to display correctly as a category. Can you provide some guidance? Thanks.

Hilda in South Florida (talk) 02:23, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. List of Copts is a list, not a category. Category:List of Copts does not exist. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:00, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

That means you must select from Category:Copts and its subcategories to indicate he is a Copt. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:08, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

David Biddulph PrimeHunter Thank you both for the explanations and suggestions.

Hilda in South Florida (talk) 12:30, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Tried my hand at creating a new article, disapproved. I really want to add content to Wikipedia. Please help!

Hi Friends,

I submitted https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Draft:Johnson_Lifts which was disapproved.

The reason for disapproval given was "The references cited are either to passing mentions of the subject, financial transactions involving the subject, or to the the subject's own cite. None of these constitute in-depth coverage about the subject, which is required for meeting Wikipedia's notability standards."

The article I created includes links from Hindu Businessline, VC Circle, and Business World. I believe http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/johnson-lifts-upbeat-on-growth-eyes-2200crore-revenues-by-2019/article9407506.ece is pretty in depth coverage.

Can someone please point me in the direct of what sort of coverage would be workable for Indian companies? They aren't going to get many mentions in the US press, but this is a very notable and well known company in India. I'm in one of their elevators every day on the way to work as are hundreds of thousands/(millions?) of other people, figured folks would want to know more about them.

I really want to add content to Wikipedia and this was my first try. I'm crushed by the rejection :( . Please point me in the right direction if possible. Thanks!

Bobbydig01 Bobbydig01 (talk) 05:50, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

@Bobbydig01: Hello and welcome. I'm sorry you have been disappointed. A company or any article subject does not have to be written about in the US press at all, but they do need in depth coverage in independent reliable sources that indicates how the subject is notable per guidelines, in this case the notability guidelines for businesses' If you click WP:ORG to review them, it will explain what sorts of information is being looked for. The source you provide above would not qualify at least as I see it; it is a basic announcement, possibly a press release, of a business transaction which the notability guidelines specifically state is not acceptable. Please understand that not every company merits a page here; even well known companies don't if they aren't usually written about in independent sources.

Please understand that successfully writing a Wikipedia article is one of the hardest things to do here. It takes time, practice, and effort. Most users who are successful at writing articles started small by making small edits to existing articles, then working their way up to larger edits, then finally to creating articles on their own. Diving right in to creating articles, as you seem to have, often results in disappointment and hurt feelings. I would suggest starting out by editing existing pages first before creating articles. However, if you still want to try to create an article, I would suggest reading Your First Article first, as well as doing The Wikipedia Adventure, which is a tutorial of sorts. Both of these will give you a better idea of what is being looked for. 331dot (talk) 08:25, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

• Well, I do not want to double guess the reviewer (Drewmutt) but I would say [2] does constitute a decent source. Not enough to single-handedly prove notability, but still a bit above passing mentions of the subject, financial transactions involving the subject, or to the the subject's own cite. I would say the current sourcing is not enough to pass the page, but by a bare margin, so some encouragement is deserved.

This being said, Bobbydig01, you have made two mistakes in the process of making this draft. First is that you uploaded File:JohnsonLOGO.jpg to Wikimedia Commons, which is almost surely a copyright violation, and I therefore nominated it for deletion; we can have copyrighted logos in articles but with very strict restrictions, please read WP:LOGO. Second, the article itself is kind of an advertisement - everything below the lead is pretty much irrelevant for an encyclopedia article. (Both of these problems are fixable though.) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 08:53, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Request for assistance on editing content - template message

Hello. I recently edited the 'The Homes of Football' page, which is about football photography. I thought I edited it to a standard where content no longer read like an advertisement. There is critical response in the entry but all quotations have proper citations and are factual. As a new editor, I would like to ask for some help and response on what could be done to improve this entry to a standard where the template message is no longer necessary. I have removed all quotations and footnotes that weren't proper citations. Any feedback or help would be greatly appreciated so I can improve as an editor. The template message is below:

This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. Please help improve it by removing promotional content and inappropriate external links, and by adding encyclopedic content written from a neutral point of view. (September 2017) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)

Encyclopediadia (talk) 08:59, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

It would appear the whole article is promotional, I suggest you concentrate on the article about the photographer, as most the content is duplicated anyway. Α Guy into Books™ § (Message) -  09:49, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK

The next queue 6 is empty, and there are only a few minutes left for the next DYK. I think an admin needs to promote the next prep 6 to queue 6. See the bot's message at Wikipedia talk:DYK Adityavagarwal (talk) 12:17, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

It looks like this has been done, Adityavagarwal. For future reference, the Teahouse isn't really the place to request administrator attention. We have a range of noticeboards for that, and Wikipedia talk:DYK itself. I imagine that if a queue isn't in place, then the current DYKs just stay on the front page a bit longer, which wouldn't be a disaster. I might be wrong about that, though. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:28, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, Cordless Larry is correct. Now that the queues have switched from 24 hours back to 12 hours again, there's bound to be occasional delays as there aren't that many active prep builders/promoters. Alex Shih^Talk 16:35, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Notability issue with new page creation

Hello,

I am really new here, but I really want to learn. I am trying to create a page on the biggest free web hosting company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:000webhost , but it keeps being rejected. 000webhost is covered by such media networks as Forbes, TechCrunh, WikiHow, loads of hosting listing sites etc., it is really well admired by hosting community.

How do I present all the sources in a correct way, so that it pass notability rules? I have a feeling that I am doing something wrong, since this company is really big and truly notable.

I do not want somebody to fix it for me - I really want to understand the reason and get some guidance to fix the issues myself.

Thank you for your help and understanding.

Daugis1 (talk) 18:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Daugis1, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read the policies and guidelines linked in the message that says your draft was declined. For starters, Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources, so never cite them. The same goes for WikiHow. Blogs are usually not reliable sources; what makes you think that Mansoor's Blog is an acceptable source?

You can cite hosting listings, provided that they are reliable, but such passing mentions are likely not the significant coverage needed for notability.

You can also cite the company's own web page for some uncontroversial details that you cannot find in other sources, but the homepage does not contribute to notability. Notability is significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the topic (hence the company website might be reliable, and you can cite it, but it's not independent). In order to show notability, you need more reliable, independent sources with in-depth coverage. The Forbes article is excellent, but it's just one article. You'll need more like it. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:50, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Submitted first article but need to change title

I need to change "SeaCamp, Big Pine Key, Florida" to "Seacamp Association, Big Pine Key, Florida" I can edit the page but not the title. Do I need to delete the first submission and resubmit a new page?

Next, I need to add it to the list of Summer Camps. Do I need to wait until the page is accepted then add it to the list page?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OddsnEnds (talk • contribs) 18:08, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello, OddsnEnds and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that you have had an all too common experience for people that come into this big complicated system called Wikipedia and immediately try one of the most difficult tasks: creating a new article. I see from your talk page that Fuhgettaboutit has deleted your draft as a copyright violation, and explained both that and another pitfall you may have fallen into.

Please understand that Wikipedia is not a vehicle for telling the world about your company (or yourself, your school, your band, or your charity, however admirable any of these may be). People who come here with that purpose often have a frustrating time, and usually will find it better to spend their time and their effort somewhere else. When we do have an article about an orgnisation, we have very little interest in what that organisation says, does, or publishes except as reported by people who have no connection with the organisation, who choose to write about it in a reliable published source. Furthermore, we have absolutely no interest in how that organisation wishes to be portrayed: again, we rely entirely on how independent people have portrayed it, good or bad. Do you see why it does not make a good platform for promoting anything?

The answer to your specific questions is that you rename an article by moving it; but there's not usually much point in renaming a draft: when you submit it for review, the reviewer who accepts it will move it to mainspace and sort out any naming issues. And yes, do not think of adding it to the list until there is an article which has been accepted into main space.

If you choose to try again, please study your first article first, as well as the other links Fuhgettaboutit put on your user talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 19:29, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm trying to figure out which of my sources are not credible.

My article was declined. I would like to add more credible sources to it. Would someone be able to tell me which ones aren't good sources? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:LogiGear_Corporation

Parasc650 (talk) 18:46, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Parasc650. Just a quick response (others may have more detailed feedback), but it's not necessarily the case that the sources you've used are not good or credible, but rather that they do not add up to the significant coverage that is required by our notability guidelines. What you need is sources that are independent of the subject and discuss it in some depth. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:02, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

A fine line between adding notability and promotion

Hello! I am working on my first article, which was initially rejected for notability issues of a company. There are a number of articles written about the company. In particular the company has been recognized multiple times by a prestigious business organization regarding inner city businesses. It certainly is an art to add this without sounding promotional. Here is my first draft of an edit I am looking to include, any feedback would be welcome.

"The ICIC, Initiative for a Competitive Inner City , founded by noted Harvard economist Michael Porter, selects 100 companies across the US each year and recognizes them for “Illuminating the competitive advantages of being in the inner city”, including publication in Fortune magazine. Talan Products has been so recognized four times."

To me this sounds like promotional language, but adding the info that makes the company noteworthy without doing so is tricky. I do not feel the rest of the article was in a promotional tone, and I was not called out on that by the editor.

The company is included in a documentary which shall be airing on the weather channel. I do feel this company is notable, especially given other companies included in the same industry in Wikipedia ( I know, previous inclusions don't matter). I did add 6 other articles, from different sources and not mere mentions in my initial submission.

I am new, and I wish to learn. Thank you for your time and advice. ~Woodie Woodieand (talk) 19:31, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Woodieand! You're right: it is a very fine line between trying to make sure that the subject of your article is viewed as notable by readers and sounding "promotional." I find that it's important to ensure that you use neutral wording as much as possible and avoid superlatives. For example, your draft is very good, but this is how I would have written it:

The Initiative for a Competitive Inner City (ICIC), is an organization founded by Harvard economist, Michael Porter. ICIC selects 100 companies from across the US each year in order to recognize them for their work in inner cities. These companies are subsequently published in Fortune magazine. Talan Products has been recognized four times by ICIC.

Even better would be just:

Talan Products has been recognized by the Initiative for a Competitive Inner City (ICIC) four times.

If ICIC is notable, then it should have its own article which explains what it does and how it honors inner city companies.

I hope that makes sense! Megalibrarygirl (talk) 19:47, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Great advice! Thank you. ..and Hi Megalibrarygirl

Woodieand (talk) 20:16, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Theroadislong for the comment. I don't know how to reply to it except for here. I copied that format from several other company articles. A few of them even longer. I thought it was a bit crazy. I will work on it! Thanks for the comment.

Woodieand (talk) 20:21, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Intimidation / threat to create a media scandal: specific rule?

Is there a specific rule against an intimidation for the media to be alerted, like here (last sentence) or here (last sentence translation: "You are well aware that everything is public, and that anyone can post in on Twitter […] (with all the media fuss to come due to some expression used in talk page" (PDD = page de discussion).

I guess it is already forbidden, but I think there it is nowhere specifically written and I think it would be useful. Where to propose that to be written?

Thanks.

Launebee (talk) 19:46, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Launebee. You may be interested in WP:THREATEN. If you don't think the guidelines page discusses exactly what you are dealing with, you might post on that talk page. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 21:38, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Launebee. Per WP:TPG, talk page discussion is required to be in English. You may wish to warn the editor by placing {{subst:uw-english|Talk:Panthéon-Assas University}} on their talk page. John from Idegon (talk) 23:02, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, I've seen threats to involve the media dealt with by an administrator making an WP:IAR application of WP:NLT. The no legal threat policy is intended to prevent an editor from "chilling" discussion by threatening legal action. That appears to be exactly the effect that the editor is trying to invoke here. In order to have that happen, you'd need to file a complaint at WP:ANI. Just a couple cautions about that: First, Po has been discussed there way too many times. Make sure you support your complaint fully with diffs like you did here and keep it as brief as possible. Second, make sure your own hands are clean (not accusing you of anything, as I haven't, and won't be, digging into it) as everyone involved in an ANI complaint are subject to investigation. John from Idegon (talk) 23:15, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks a lot John from Idegon. It is not the only time he has been using French to get away from control. For example, the edit summaries of the 12 September.[3].

Regarding the warning, it would be better if somebody else does it. That user has been very aggressive and harassing so I prefer not to have too much contact, it would be an occasion to bully me again.

There is an ANI request mainly on other attacks toward me.[4] I did not mention the non-English stuff I think, because it was long enough. --Launebee (talk) 23:22, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

• I can vouch for the translation of the second diff, but if you go complain at WP:ANI or the like with only what you provided here, you will probably be laughed out. On a random topic, "journalists can see this" would be considered meh but probably not actionable (I am no ANI lawyer though), and on the Panthéon-Assas-related pages which have been a huge troll nest (for some reason I cannot fathom, but I have renounced understanding how they form after reading this other example) it would never ever end up with a sanction. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:12, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

I am trying to get an article accepted and an editor mentioned coming here

I am trying to create an article on Microsoft Azure Notebooks. My draft is here: Draft:Initial_Page

It was mentioned that perhaps the Teahouse could help me to improve my article for submission

Thanks! crwilcox (talk) 00:07, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Crwilcox. Your draft is now called Draft:Initial Page. Currently, it only has two sources, both of which are published by Microsoft. What is required to write a new article is to show notability by creating references to completely independent reliable sources that have no direct connection to Microsoft or its Azure product. Please be aware that we already have a well-developed article Microsoft Azure, and one reviewer suggested that you add a new section to that article instead of trying to write a new article. Please consider that option. If instead you want to proceed with writing a new article, then please read and study Your first article, and follow all of its recommendations. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:38, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. That makes perfect sense. I do know of some third party articles. I thought the sourcing direct from the site made sense but I can see the value in other sources. I will take the time to make the changes. I can likely expand further. Thank you very much for the assistance!

crwilcox (talk) 02:46, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

How do I add an image from a medical journal?

Hi. I'd like to add an image from this medical journal ~ Rohrich, M.D, R., Smith, M.D., P., Marcantonio, M.D., D., & Kenkel, M.D., J. (n.d.). The zones of adherence: Role in minimizing and preventing contour deformities in liposuction. Plastic and Reconstructive Surgery, 129(5S), 86S-93S. Retrieved from http://journals.lww.com/plasreconsurg/Documents/Updates_in_Aesthetic_Surgery_0512_Article.14.pdf ~ to the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liposuction page. I'd appreciate guidance so I can do it correctly. Thank you!

Juliet Sabine (talk) 00:26, 22 September 2017 (UTC) Juliet Sabine, September 21, 2017 Juliet Sabine (talk) 00:26, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Juliet Sabine. That medical journal article has an unambiguous and prominent copyright notice, and presumably all of the images are copyrighted too. An image from that article could only be used on Wikipedia if you could convince the American Society of Plastic Surgeons to release the image in writing, under an acceptable Creative Commons license. While not impossible, I consider that to be highly unlikely. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:21, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your response, Cullen. I to consider it to be highly unlikely as well that the American Society of Plastic Surgeons would release the unflattering, life changing images to be used on the Liposuction Wikipedia page. I'm glad I asked here before trying to put the picture on the page. Much of the information and the photos on the Liposuction page go against true long-term outcomes and seem to make assumptions that are bandwagon theories, but go against science. A group of health care professionals, myself included, have been studying this subject for many years. I'm unsure at the moment what the best way is to proceed with making changes to provide the public with vital information. I have many journal sources. One that I posted yesterday got undone, and I asked why, but didn't get a clear, satisfactory answer. Clearly, there are people who have financial incentives for these procedures to continue. If we have releases from individuals to use photos of bad / tragic outcomes, may we use those, or do they have to be journal pictures? Juliet Sabine (talk) 02:45, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

It looks like an explanation for the revert was given in the edit summary used here, Juliet Sabine. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:08, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh, I see, it looks like they are saying that the researchers documented their own experience? Liposuction, (adipose removal), is proven to increase visceral fat, which negatively affects the pancreas and insulin resistance as well. I'll certainly continue on this Wikipedia learning curve. I appreciate the help! Juliet Sabine (talk) 06:20, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, they're documenting their own research, so it's a primary source, Juliet Sabine, whereas Wikipedia articles on medical topics should rely on secondary sources that report on the results of primary sources. Ideally, systematic reviews are the best sources here. See WP:MEDRS for more information. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:35, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Got it! Thank you so much! Juliet Sabine (talk) 06:41, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi

My father was a recipient of the Belgian Croix de Guerre with Palm in WWII, his name is not on the list of recipients, We have tried to put it on but when we go back and check, it has been removed. He was devistated that his name came off just before he died. I now need it added to the list as I believe he deserves to be noted. He was a hero and his name should be on the list. Can you please help me. Deborah76.64.204.86 (talk) 04:21, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

How do I add a name to the recipients list for the Croix de Guerre with Palm for WWII. I have tried editing the list but my Dad's name keeps getting removed. Can someone please help me........He was so excited when he saw his name on the list but when he went in to show one of his grandchildren, it had been removed. He was devastated......I really need to get this issue corrected. He has passed away and I really want his name showing for his grandchildren and the world to see...Thanks so much......Deborah76.64.204.86 (talk) 04:21, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Greetings 76.64.204.86 (Deborah), and welcome to the Teahouse! I completely understand your frustration and disappointment that your father's name is not on the list, but unfortunately the Croix de guerre (Belgium) page is not intended to list every recipient of the medal. This is covered in WP:What Wikipedia is not. This is not because we wish to diminish your father's accomplishment, but it would be impossible to list every recipient of every medal; instead, we list recipients that are have received sufficient independent coverage in reliable sources to be considered notable in their own right. Your father's name was removed because there was no evidence given that he meets this criterion. If you feel that he does, I recommend that you start a discussion about him at Talk:Croix de guerre (Belgium). I hope this helps! CThomas³ (talk) 07:54, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

How to add the picture of the Aircraft Warning Corps?

How do you pictures to the page of different Air Force SquadronsHawkeye195528 (talk) 05:24, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Greetings Hawkeye195528, and welcome to the Teahouse. I have gone ahead and added the image to Aircraft Warning Corps. You can take a look at the page itself to see how I did it. I notice that you claim that this is your own work; this is perfectly fine if you did take the picture yourself and upload it. Do you have any other information about the insignia, for instance where you obtained it, who it belonged to, etc.? That would be interesting information to add to the image file's description. CThomas³ (talk) 07:38, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

The (good) answer above is "a fish", the "fishing rod" can be found at Wikipedia:Image tutorial. (But do come back if something is unclear!) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 12:02, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

How do I refer to the same study in a different paragraph?

If I already cited a study, but I refer to it in another paragraph, how do I link to the same endnote? Thank you! Juliet Sabine (talk) 06:07, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Greetings Juliet Sabine, and welcome to the Teahouse. The way to do that is to name the original reference (<ref name=xxxx>...</ref>), and then use the same name whenever you need to refer to the same source (<ref name=xxxx/>) For more information, check out WP:REFBEGIN#Same reference used more than once. CThomas³ (talk) 07:24, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Request to publish Article.

I would like to know why my article titled "Kibaha education center " has been reviewed but not yet published? Mwakibinga (talk) 16:15, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Mwakibinga The article Kibaha education centre has been published. You did that when you created it. After it was reviewed the noindex tag was removed, and a search engine may pick it up at some point. We have no control when that happens. Mduvekot (talk) 16:40, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Mwakibinga, welcome to the Teahouse. There is no article called "Kibaha education center" with that spelling of "center". The article Kibaha education centre with "centre" has been published since you created it five days ago. If you refer to indexing by external search engines then it's currently allowed and I see the article in Google, Yahoo and Bing, but it can vary how long it takes for different search engines to index articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:45, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Kibaha education center is now a redirect to Kibaha education centre. Maproom (talk) 19:31, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Request for progress of my article

Dear anyone concerned!

I would like to know the progress status of my article titled: "Tanzania Media Service Act, 2016". I highly request you to review the artcile and when necessary to publish it. Thank you.

Hello Alfred Mwaseba That could take a while. There is currently a backlog of 13943 unreviewed pages going back to about March of this year. A small group of experienced editors are working very hard to clear that backlog. Note that Tanzania Media Service Act, 2016 has been published. It is available to any reader of Wikipedia, it just hasn't been indexed by search engines yet, Mduvekot (talk) 16:55, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mduvekot. I've done a copyedit. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

Request of review progress

I would like to know the progress of my article titled; "Tanzania Media Service Act, 2016". I highly request you to review the article and when necessary to publish it.

Thank you. Alfred Mwaseba (talk) 16:25, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@Alfred Mwaseba: as mentioned in the reply to your previous request, there is a large backlog, so you need to be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 17:06, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

I am a Music Artist and I would Like To Have my "Biography" LISTED...

WIKI, Where is the best place on Wikipedia to post my Music Artist Biography for my 'fans' to read about...I had a POST recently DELETED for 'self-promotion!?! but there were no SUGGESTIONS as to where I could POST!?!Peter Frank Santovito (talk) 16:27, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Please help!

Thank you, Sincerely,

Peter Frank SantovitoPeter Frank Santovito (talk) 16:27, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@Peter Frank Santovito: Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (music) to see if you can find reliable sources that verifies the basic criteria of notability for biographies of living persons. Alex Shih^Talk 16:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello Peter Frank Santovito Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not an outlet for promoting youself. We have some suggestions for alternative outlets. Mduvekot (talk) 16:44, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Good example of a SaaS company page?

I submitted a draft for a fintech company (Nvoicepay), and it was rejected for reading too much like an advertisement. I'm wondering if I should just copy the structure & source types of a similar company that's already published on Wiki? I looked up a partner of theirs called Coupa >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coupa Does this sound like a good plan?

Thanks for you help! Cat lvr89 (talk) 17:19, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello Cat lvr89 Unless you know how to assess article quality, please don't use an unassessed article or a stub as an example and read WP:OTHERSTUFF to get a sense of why many editors don't feel that just because something else is even more promotional, we should publish yet another promotional article, or that a company should have an article because a competitor does. Such arguments don't hold water here. "Good" or "featured" articles are good examples, but a competitor's page is likely just as problematic as the article you're trying to create. Note that "good" her means that it meets our good article criteria.

I'd also like to point out that copying the structure of another article to make the promotional nature of an article less obvious is probably not going to work. I speak as a new page patroller here, but we tend to be quite forgiving about formatting errors and things like adherence to the Manual of Style. Such problems are easily fixed, and we don't mind such mistakes. Where we look really carefully is sourcing: is the article based on in-depth coverage in independent, reliable sources, and does the article accurately reflect what those sources say? New pages about fintech and saas companies are, in my experience, often rife with marketing slang, promotional language and written by editors with a conflict of interest. Sometimes that can be fixed by normal editing, and sometimes it can't as happened with your submission.

To be fair, there are very few featured or good articles about companies. For starters, only 0.09% of our article are "featured" and only 0.48% are "good". Most of the featured company articles are probably no longer up to our current standards, and none of them are about fintech or saas companies. I know of only one "good" article about a financial services company: UBS. To the best of my knowledge (based on a database search, I'm not making any of this up) there are no featuread articles about fintech or related companies. The article you propose to use as an example is particularly problematic, because it has contributions from a paid editor (and thus a conflict of interest), who tried to ensure neutrality by not editing the article directly. Please note that paid editing is strongly discouraged, and that undisclosed paid editing is not allowed. All the best, Mduvekot (talk) 20:27, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

How do I code a side photo for an article?

I added a photo to my article, Richard Coons via upload ot Commons: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RRC-BW.jpg#.7B.7Bint:filedesc.7D.7D

Because I loaded it into Commons, there wasn't a choice for the description. I want the description under the photo to read like the photo in this description: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_William_Wood

Richard Coons Born December 13, 1929 Los Angeles, California Died November 28, 2003 (aged 73) Bishop, California, United States Known for Landscape painting Movement California Plein-Air Painting, American Realism

What is the code for this? I'd like this under the photograph. yosemite4 Yosemite4 (talk) 17:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. If you look at the wikicode for the article to which you refer, you will see that it uses {{Infobox artist}}. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:29, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Think I'm getting it.

Richard R. Coons
Richard Coons at work in the Eastern Sierra Nevada
Born	1929 December 13 Los Angeles, CA
Died	2003 November 28 Bishop, CA
Years active	1972-2003
Known for	Sierra landscapes, marines
Movement	California impressionism, Realism

For instance, on birthdate: | birth_date =

I want to use: For people who have died, use {{Birth date|YYYY|MM|DD}} But how should it ultimately look: | birth_date = |1929|December|13| ?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yosemite4 (talk • contribs) 19:16, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

It would be:

| birth_date = {{Birth date|1929|12|13}} --David Biddulph (talk) 19:28, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Got it - thank you! Yosemite4 (talk) 19:51, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Help required on an AfD nomination

Hello, I think i messed up somewhere while nominating an article (A. V. Thomas) for deletion. Can someone kindly guide me. Mark the train^Discuss 17:34, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@Mark the train: Fixed. Alex Shih^Talk 17:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@Alex Shih: Thanks a ton!! Mark the train^Discuss 17:46, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

i wrote an article but it got rejected i don'tknow why

Hi, I wrote an article about somebody but i don't why it got rejected twice. 17:49, 22 September 2017 (UTC)~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaurav.suri2 (talk • contribs)

@Gaurav.suri2: The submission templates state that the first decline was for a lack of reliable sources. We require that all article content be supported by reliable reference material, but enforce that especially strictly in biographies of a living person, which you're writing. The second time around, it looks like you had tried to put some citations, but the formatting is broken and it's not clear what article content the citations are meant to support. For information on using inline citations to support specific article content with a particular reference, see WP:CITE. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 17:54, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

i am not able to find the article which i was writting

17:58, 22 September 2017 (UTC)~

It is here Draft:Jatin Suri Theroadislong (talk) 18:00, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

i have added references in a correct manner this time. Will it get approved this time.

18:29, 22 September 2017 (UTC)~

Well, I'm not the reviewer, but I wouldn't approve it if I were. The Times of India reference is a good one, but we usually don't want to base an article off a single source. It's not appropriate to use other Wikipedia articles as references. What you'd be looking for is more references like that Times of India piece. If that's the only one out there, it might be a bit too soon for an article about this individual right now. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 18:40, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Gaurav.suri2, are you signing your posts here using four tildes (~~~~)? You seem to be signing with a timestamp but no username. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Move an article from my sandbox to live on the site

I have created an article called Johnny Burgin and do not understand how to move it from my Sandbox to being a live article on Wikipedia.Msblues (talk) 18:56, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Msblues: I've moved it from your sandbox to Draft:Johnny Burgin. But it's not ready to be a live article yet, the referencing needs to be converted to a more standard style. See Help:Referencing for beginners. Maproom (talk) 19:12, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Input on a new article I'm creating, please

I have written an article called San Eng, who is a Tim Cooke kind of person: here. I would love to get some comments on it before I submit it, please. Thanks. I may still do some fine-tuning, for instance, in case I spot typos.

Angelina Souren (talk) 19:20, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello Angelina Souren I think you meant Tim Cook? Comparing San Eng to Tim Cook is a bit of stretch, no? Anyway, the first thing I noticed about you draft on San Eng is that your use of external links does not comply with our guideline because they are WP:LINKSPAM. Mduvekot (talk) 20:57, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Mduvekot thanks for your feedback. Can you explain to me how providing sources for things stated in the article can be spam? I checked the page you added, but I don't recognize anything in it that seems to apply. Is the problem that many links are in other languages? (Also, ehm, is this some sort of regular comment for every new article because I remember I got a similar comment the first time I created an article. Back then, it was not called spam but something else, but it boiled down to the same. The references were fine. I added more, and not even one was removed in the end. Is this some kind of deliberate deterrent to make sure the references are genuine?) And yes, I was very tired when I wrote my initial question so I rushed it.

(PS I'll work on the references. Two are actually on the company site, so those are not good, for starters.)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Angelina Souren (talk • contribs)

Hello again Angelina Souren. You ask a number of questions:

• how [can] providing sources for things stated in the article can be spam?
  • You were not providing sources. You were linking to an external website. Say, for example, I write an article about someome, and I add a link to a reliable news website https://www.nytimes.com/ to reference some factual claim. That's not a proper reference, which look like this. This is a fairly common mistake and we fix it by converting an external link to a reference. Or maybe I want to link to the wikipedia article about The New York Times where readers can find more information about the company, and that is strongly encouraged. But what is not OK is to link to the website of the subject when there is no factual claim that needs verification, and the only purpose is to insert a link to the company website. That's promotion. If the company is notable, it may have its own Wikipedia article that I can link to. So I can say: "He owns example.com." or "He owns example.com." but I not "He owns example.com", hoping that people will click on the link to buy something learn more about the company.
• Is the problem that many links are in other languages
  • No, we have no problem with non-english sources. As a reader, I struggle to verify the sources on a page that is sourced exclusively in a language I don't speak, but no, the language does not affect verifiability per se. It may make me wonder why there are no English sources, and raise questions about the subject's notability.
• is this some sort of regular comment for every new article?
  • No.

References

All the best, Mduvekot (talk) 11:22, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Editing

I registered and have tried to add a famous person who lived somewhere. Is not showing up on the page as added.Ljayson (talk) 19:21, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

This is he only edit you've made. Are you sure you saved the edit? RJFJR (talk) 19:23, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ljayson: Which page are you trying to edit? RudolfRed (talk) 19:24, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I typed it into the edit box with citation and hit save. Trying to edit on Penn Yan,va town in NY State. I did not add the /*Editing*/ first or check off minor edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljayson (talk • contribs) 19:42, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Ljayson. It may be that when you clicked save, the resulting page asked you to fill out a captcha, or advised you had a "loss of session data" (especially common when there is significant lag time between when you clicked edit and the time you attempted to save) or something else. Regardless of the reason, your edit did not save. It's not uncommon not to notice that the resulting page did not say "your edit was saved", or contained some further step. Anyway, the person that you tried to add to the page, I assume at the section Penn Yan, New York#Notable people: does Wikipedia have an article on them already? While we do allow red links in articles, when the person is clearly notable but does not yet have an article, and when their name comes up naturally in the course of writing an article, we generally do not include red links in such sections unless an article already exists. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:58, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks all for your responses. Figured it out after realizing I did not click on edit at the top of the page. I was trying to put the info into the box for minor edits instead.Ljayson (talk) 14:30, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Need to know about notable, sufficient sources for Wikipedia Article that was not approved.

Hello everyone! I was an editor on Wikipedia years ago under another name. I've begun compiling sources for a company that I came across in the past, and they have a lot of published news sources online. However, I was notified that the sources don't provide the sufficient "notability" that is required. This company is the largest branch of one of the largest financial services institutions in the U.S. and has several high profile founders and members. Can someone help me get the appropriate citations? This is the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Private_Advisor_Group. I appreciate any information. What kind of sources do I need? Should I take out some of the more detailed elements of the article so far?

HadsinTexas (talk) 20:49, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello HadsinTexas, this article explains what we're looking for. You say you edited under a different name "years ago". It looks to me as if your name change is from the day before yesterday, and your account was registered only two months ago. Can you clarify what your relationship with Private Advisor Group is besides "coming across them"? Mduvekot (talk) 21:43, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi HadsinTexas. It looks like I may have a similar problem with the article that I'm creating. For me, it's even harder as many of the materials are in Chinese and it's hard to tell which sources are more reputable. Several things are easier with western material. Finding the resources is one of the hardest things because the best ones are often print-only and therefore hard to find. There are one or two artists that I would love to write an article about because they deserve it, but because I have no access to the various art magazines and art books, I know that I will likely have trouble tracking down good sources, and that's stopping me. To get back to what you wrote, the PR News item you list may be a press release that was actually created by the company your article is about. I haven't looked into it, though. Here is an example of what is probably seen as very good source, a newspaper article: http://www.seattletimes.com/business/redmond-adviser-caught-in-oregon-firms-financial-collapse/ (except that it does not seem to link to content that is in your article, so it could be good to use the information in that newspaper article). Nasdaq, in my view, can also be an example of a good source: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/private-advisor-group-llc-buys-hormel-foods-corp-ishares-core-sp-small-cap-ishares-core-cm787630 particularly if you want to substantiate some fact. Here is another one that may help: https://theolympiareport.com/2017/09/05/private-advisor-group-llc-has-6-20-million-stake-in-comcast-corporation-cmcsa.html and this one http://bangaloreweekly.com/2017-09-18-private-advisor-group-llc-takes-position-in-nisource-inc-ni/ or this one: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/continued-trend-advisors-moving-independence-140000478.html (You'll have to see what you can actually do with them.)

Angelina Souren (talk) 23:13, 22 September 2017 (UTC)

adding copyrighted pictures to commons (with permission)

Dear collective wisdom, I got an email from the trust of a photographer granting me permission to upload some of his images to Commons to illustrate an article (copy of the email bellow). How do I indicate this when uploading the image to Commons? I know creative commons is preferred, but there are definetely other examples of images that fall in this same category of copyrighted material uploaded with permission (I'm thinking specifically of Tarsila do Amaral's Abaporu in the Portuguese Commons).

On behalf of The Carl Van Vechten Trust, I am pleased to grant you permission to include a Carl Van Vechten photograph of Ladybird Cleveland in a Wikimedia Commons as part of an article. I would only ask that the photograph be identified and being Photograph by Carl Van Vechten (c)Van Vechen Trust.

Permission must be released to use the photo for any purpose, not just for a Wikipedia article. See WP:IOWNfor help on this. RudolfRed (talk) 00:23, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Need to help setting alerts on an existing page

I hired a 3rd party company to develop a wikipedia page for a client. I would liket o take stewardship of the that page how do I handle that?Antrejony (talk) 01:19, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh, wow, were you duped. You can't take "stewardship" of any Wikipedia page, please read Wikipedia:Ownership of content. Also, any paid editing of Wikipedia MUST be disclosed publicly by the Wikipedia terms-of-use (see Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure). Wikipedia articles can, and will, be edited by others and any article created by or edited by paid editors are automatically put under a cloud of suspicion that taints the article. About the worst thing one can do is pay someone to create a Wikipedia article for anyone. --Jayron32 01:27, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Antrejony, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia actually has strict restrictions on paid editing (click to read the relevant policy). Please make a declaration on your user page about your financial relationship with this client, and please also identify the Wikipedia article in question by its title so that we can better help you. You should also be aware that Wikipedia's articles do not "belong" to either the editors who worked on them or the subject of the article (click); your "stewardship" would be limited to suggesting (or opposing) changes to the article, since you have a conflict of interest (click) in regards to the article. Thank you in advance for complying with Wikipedia policies. —GrammarFascist _contribs^talk 01:34, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Traffic Monitoring

I would like to be emailed or pinged when specific pages are edited, how do I set that up?Antrejony (talk) 01:48, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello again, Antrejony. Please comply with Wikipedia's paid editing policy (click here to review it) by making a declaration on your user page regarding your relationship with your client. If you do not do so, you may be blocked from further editing and we will not be able to help you. —GrammarFascist _contribs^talk 02:03, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm not in violation of the terms nor is anybody else. the page in question is properly cited and has been vetted. I want to make sure that it continues to be accurate. I have not made any changes to any pages. Please answer the question or leave me alone.Antrejony (talk) 02:28, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Why don't you tell us what page it is so that we can verify that the paid editor has followed the rules? Meters (talk) 02:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Greetings, Antrejony, and welcome to the teahouse. The policy on paid editing has nothing to do with whether or not the article is properly cited or vetted. Without proper disclosure of your conflict of interest, you and your paid editor are indeed in violation, regardless of the state of the article itself. As stated in the policy, If you are being paid for your contributions to Wikipedia, you must declare who is paying you, who the client is, and any other relevant role or relationship. You may do this on your user page, on the talk page of affected articles, or in your edit summaries. The community expects paid editors to declare that they are being paid whenever they seek to influence an article's content. While it may appear to you that are not being paid to directly contribute to Wikipedia and are thus exempt from the policy, the fact is that you are being paid to influence Wikipedia's content, which you have done by hiring an editor to create an article for your client. I hope this helps; we are not trying to gang up on you, but it is in all of our best interests (including you, your client, and your paid editor) to ensure that editors with conflicts of interest are properly identified so that their contributions can be reviewed appropriately. Presumably you would want to know if anyone was being paid to add incorrect, libelous, or even merely misleading information to your client's article, correct? CThomas³ (talk) 04:38, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Antrejony: Also, please take note of Wikipedia's policy on ownership of content. No one has any right of ownership or editorial control over an article, even one you create or have commissioned. This means that others are free to edit its content, perhaps significantly over time. Article content is arrived at by consensus in accordance with Wikipedia's policies. If you aren't willing to allow your contributions to be edited extensively or be redistributed by others, please do not submit them. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 09:00, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

A high level of paranoia and hostility going on here. This does not make contributing to Wikipedia a positive experience (in addition to the various biases Wikipedia is aware of). This is in effect a power struggle, then. White males with a focus on certain areas in life trying to cling to their monopoly. Ugh. Angelina Souren (talk) 09:18, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Angelina Souren: This has nothing to do with paranoia or hostility or power or a monopoly, but a clear example of paid editing with the user who started this section who has not yet complied with the paid editing policy, which is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use. It is best for everyone, including the paid editor, to comply with this important policy. 331dot (talk) 09:37, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@331dot: Bullshit. The person asked how he or she could keep track of any changes. No more, no less. As Wikipedia is extremely hard to understand, let alone edit, for lay persons, it is no surprise that some persons actually ask others to help with that and are willing to pay for it. If Wikipedia can somehow make the process easier, then such persons could submit their info or edits themselves. The way things are, most people have no one in their surroundings who is able to do it, also because it requires a range of skills (research skills, knowing how to formulate references which happens to come easier to scientists, writing skills and being able to write in the required style, the coding which is minor but very offputting to many - and all of that only happens after someone discovers what is behind any Wikipedia page whereas most people have no idea how Wikipedia works to begin with). Sorry, but I am out. I have had enough.Angelina Souren (talk) 09:58, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Angelina Souren: I'm sorry you feel that way. All that is needed is for the person to declare the relationship. We cannot prevent anyone, nor is it outright prohibited, for someone to hire an editor, but they need to declare it. 331dot (talk) 10:02, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

:@331dot: The person asked how he or she could keep track of any changes made by others. No more, no less. It could actually indicate the opposite of what you are saying. Instead of being helpful, most of what you and others do is sneer and attack, as a standard response. Angelina Souren (talk) 10:07, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps you did not see the section above this one. I am not sneering at or attacking anyone. You don't know what is in my mind so please assume good faith. Better to inform people of proper polices and procedures now than when they get deeper into things and it becomes harder and more contentious. If they don't declare, that is grounds for being blocked. Then they can't edit at all and helping them is moot. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Angelina Souren: The only person I see sneering and attacking here is you. Antrejony was welcomed to the Teahouse and, based on their unprompted declaration of having hired a paid Wikipedia editor on behalf of their client, politely informed about WP:PAID and asked to comply with that policy. They ignored the invitation to comply with the policy, and were warned more strongly. Nobody attacked them (though there was a bit of piling on). Also, FWIW, I am neither white nor male; please remember to WP:AGF. —GrammarFascist _contribs^talk 11:42, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Antrejony - if you are registered as an editor, then the top menu will include Watchlist. Selecting articles there allows editors to be notified of changes to those articles. As everyone else has already SHOUTED at you, because you were honest enough to declare that your interests are for a client, you must comply with the paid editing policy. This is for transparency. This does not preclude you continuing to make edits. However, as others have stated, you may be blocked if you don't. And also, other editors can make changes to the article. And you have no authority to revert, i.e., reverse those changes as long as they are true and supported by valid citations. Welcome to Wikipedia World! David notMD (talk) 00:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, BTW the paid editor is company that does this many for many more renowned people including elon musk. They comply I'm sure of it. I couldn't tell you who the editors are don't know them. I just know the rep he doesn't do the editing Antrejony (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Buddhist_temples

I have stumbled across a page which seems to be a long list of Buddhist temples in the world. The text is on the left and photos of the temples are on the right. In between is a vast amount of space. I am wondering if I can volunteer to improve this page. I am thinking about a a table structure for the content but I need some tips as I am a new editor.JediOne (talk) 06:37, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, JediOne, and thank you for your willingness to contribute! You don't need to "volunteer" to work on a page, you can just start editing it. But List of Buddhist temples looks pretty good already, to me. I assume you must have a hi-res screen – but many other readers won't, some will even be using smartphones. If you have suggestions for improving it, you could discuss them first on the article's talk page, and see what other editors think. Also, I should warn you, the way Wikipedia does tables is quite tricky, though it's a skill you'll probably need to learn if you plan to make many contributions here. Maproom (talk) 08:14, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello Maproom, I appreciate your comments and motivation. I am using a two year's old iMac. I would like to give it a try. I will to the talk page. Thank-you.JediOne (talk) 22:36, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Realated to twinkle use

Hi, I recently started using Twinkle and when I edit any article or page with twinkle, It add that article/page in my wishlist. Can anyone tell me how to prevent that? – 1997kB 07:00, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@1997kB: Hello and welcome. I think the link WP:TWPREFS will take you to the page where you can change your Twinkle preferences, including when something is added to your watchlist. There is also a way to get there through the Preferences link in the upper right corner, but it's easier to explain the shortcut. 331dot (talk) 09:40, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@331dot: I got you! Thanks for help. – 1997kB 09:46, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Contribution count on user page

I like to edit Wikipedia articles and I want to display how many times I contributed on my user page, but my current solution of putting a number and replacing it every once in a while is horrible. Anyone have a solution?Contraption5000 (talk) 10:24, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Contraption5000: No there is no way to show the LIVE no. of edit counts on userpage instead of manually editing them, but your can put link of your contribution page on your userpage. – 1997kB 11:00, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I don't know exactly what it is but I have seen other users have such information on their page, possibly as a template. Perhaps another user here knows what it is. 331dot (talk) 11:12, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

@Contraption5000: There is a userbox that updates automagically, User:UBX/LiveEditCounter, but it breaks down when your count gets into the tens of thousands. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:11, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I state a range, as in Currently I am between 3,000 and 4,000 edits. David notMD (talk) 00:46, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

You might be able to find a different box by searching Wikipedia:Userboxes. I have one that says "this user has made over 15,000 contributions to Wikipedia". You adjust the number manually. Most people seem to update only every thousand edits. White Arabian Filly ^Neigh 20:47, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

How and From where can I use an Award Label ?

I would like to know, How and From where can I use an Award Label (Likewise: Thank you for creating this Article/Thank you form Grammar Correction etc.)? --- Willy-nilly (talk) 11:53, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Willy-nilly, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think what you're looking for is what we call Wikilove. To use this site feature, go to the talk page of the user you wish to thank, and click on the heart icon (at the top right of the page, between the "View history" tab and the star for adding the page to your watchlist). This will open a dialogue box giving you different thanking options, from barnstars like the Copyeditor's barnstar to custom messages you choose your own image for. It would be a good idea to include in your message a link to the specific article you're thanking the editor for, if applicable; to do this, enclose the article title in double square brackets. For example, to link to the article Gratitude, you would type [[Gratitude]]. Thank you for wanting to express your gratitude to other editors! Doing so is never required, but always nice. —GrammarFascist _contribs^talk 12:19, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks dear GrammarFascist, your given answer was truly of my requirement. Yes, I would like to appreciate others. It is not necessary in Law but in attitude. If we encourage others, that means, they will understand that, their works are really valuable to some others. I think it will en-reach their inherent spirit to work forward for such a non-profit, volunteer program. --- Willy-nilly (talk) 11:25, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

What to do about rotten citations ?

The Graduate Aptitude Test in Engineering article's List of companies section cites references that seems to have become obsolete. Obsolete in the sense that the reference has been retrieved some 2 years ago and the referenced document has been removed from the site. Speaking generally, most of the references in that section seem to be temporal references and cannot be valid for more than one year from the date it was published. I think such references should be removed but I wanted to be sure before doing that.

The references I was mentioning are,

Graduate_Aptitude_Test_in_Engineering#cite_note-31

Graduate_Aptitude_Test_in_Engineering#cite_note-32

- - Kaartic ^{correct me, if i'm wrong} 16:52, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Kaartic. There is advice on this at WP:DEADREF, but in short, you shouldn't just remove dead references. Often, it is possible to find an archive copy of the source. If that does not work, you could search for an alternative source. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:55, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I agree that Cordless Larry's advice is appropriate for ordinary WP:LINKROT situations, but I understand you to be asking about a somewhat different situation, where the cites went to pages that are essentially ephemeral and intended to be valid only for a specific period of time. In that situation, replacing the old cites with archived copies would be an inferior solution in comparison with finding replacement links that are not so inherently temporary, so that an interested reader could easily find the current information.

Importing the ephemeral list of companies into Wikipedia strikes me as a futile effort and I'd be very much in favor of deleting it from the article (until there are editors committed to updating it on a regular basis), based on an interpretation of WP:NOT. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 18:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome Cordless Larry! @Jmcgnh: Incidentally I updated the section (partially) just now with alternative sources though I don't have any idea of doing that on a regular basis. That's because it seems to be pretty time consuming as the companies don't have any standard way/location to find this information. So, I've fixed the issue for now but as I said before I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be valid for a long time. I see quite a few possibilities,

1. Remove the section now

2. Keep the parts of the section that are up to date and remove parts of the section that aren't cited and have rotten citations

3. Keep the section as it is for now and remove them completely when the updateed part becomes rotten again

I personally like option 2 because (i) it might help readers to some extent and (ii) I'm partly selfish and don't want to waste my effort ;-) That said, I won't feel too bad if option 1 was the best thing to do. - - Kaartic ^{correct me, if i'm wrong} 18:59, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Referencing

I am finding it really hard to work out how to in-put references into articles. (I have looked at the referencing for beginners page on Wikipedia. I need help please.'DesoHaa (talk) 17:15, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi 'DesoHaa. Look at User:Yunshui/References for beginners for a much shorter help page. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:18, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi DesoHaa! In case you're overwhelmed by the syntax give ProveIt a try. - - Kaartic ^{correct me, if i'm wrong} 19:04, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

I think Kaartic meant to link to Wikipedia:ProveIt. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:06, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I mistakenly thought that WP:PROVEIT was shortcut for Wikipedia:PreoveIt due to the presence of the former in the latter page. I missed the fact that it was a disambiguation link :-( Anyways, thank for correcting, Cordless Larry - - Kaartic ^{correct me, if i'm wrong} 05:08, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you guys! I finally worked it out!'DesoHaa (talk) 22:43, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Why is my article not considered notable enough?

Upon review, my article was rejected for two reasons: (1) appearing to be news report of single event and (2) event not notable enough.

You can view my submission here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Brent.ancap/sandbox

(1) The article used multiple news sources over the period as reference for the specific details of the event, but the article itself was not intended to be a news report.

(2) As to the event's notability, as far as power outages are concerned, the criteria listed on this page of major power outages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_major_power_outages), is as follows:

"This is a list of notable wide-scale power outages. To be included, the power outage must conform to all of the following criteria:

The outage must not be planned by the service provider. The outage must affect at least 1,000 people and last at least one hour. There must be at least 1,000,000 person-hours of disruption."

My article refers to power outage that meets all these requirements. I understand that those requirements refer only to adding an event on that specific page, but I thought that there was enough reference material out there to justify a more detailed account of the Gisborne power outage in the form of an article.

New Zealand national and local media reported on the event for over three days as well.

Brent.ancap (talk) 20:18, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Brent.ancap. It is well-reported but does fall under single event. An accident caused a power outage which was handled in the normal manner. The smallest outage I can see in List of major power outages that has its own article is New York City blackout of 1977. Not only did that one involve a very large city, it resulted in widespread looting, vandalism, and arson as well as massive arrests. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:05, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Greetings Brent.ancap, and welcome to the Teahouse! I read through your draft article, and while I think you have done a good job with it, I unfortunately agree with the assessment of the reviewer (and StarryGrandma). The criteria listed on List of major power outages is only used for inclusion within that particular article; in order for an event to be considered notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia as a standalone article (versus as content within a larger article), it must pass the criteria outlined in WP:EVENT, specifically:

• Lasting effect—a precedent or catalyst for something else of lasting significance
• Geographical scope—significant impact over a wide region, domain, or widespread societal group
• Depth of coverage—coverage must be significant and not in passing, which typically includes analysis that puts events into context, such as is often found in books, feature length articles in major news magazines, and TV news specialty shows
• Duration of coverage—coverage beyond a relatively short news cycle
• Diversity of sources—significant national or international coverage

Although 33 hours is a bit longer than most power outages, there is nothing to indicate that the above criteria will be met, especially given the relatively small number of people affected (40,000). A few national news outlets did pick up the story, but I do not see this having any lasting significance, as it appears to be a relatively normal outage with no real aftereffects. I agree with StarryGrandma that it would have been something very normal for the power company to restore, and while regrettable, the accident that caused it would not be considered notable by itself either. I hope this helps! CThomas³ (talk) 05:39, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Although I'm a bit disappointed in the wasted effort, I'm willing to acquiesce in the outcome given your responses. I appreciate you guys taking the time the answer my question. I'll take this experience as a learning opportunity to spend some time thoroughly reading through Wikipedia recommendations on acceptability, etc. (which I should've done beforehand!).

Cheers.

PS - I'll probably publish my little article with references on my blog -- Brent.ancap (talk) 06:17, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Brent.ancap, thanks for your understanding attitude. I hope you stick around and edit stuff that interest you! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:39, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

That sounds like a great idea, Brent.ancap. Thank you for your efforts in writing the article, and like Gråbergs Gråa Sång I very much hope you stay and contribute! Any of us here at the Teahouse would be happy to help with questions on subject notability (or most anything else, for that matter), so if you have questions or something in the policies doesn't make sense, please feel free to come back and ask. CThomas³ (talk) 15:53, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Error on 1904 Summer Olympics medal table

The web page 1904_Summer_Olympics_medal_table has a section titled Medal Table. The table of countries has a line for the country of France. The line has 1 for Silver but the total is 0. The total line for Silver has 95. If the 1 for France is included, the total should be 96. Does this need to be corrected? 68.183.39.43 (talk) 23:01, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi 68.183.39.43 and welcome to the Teahouse. According to the sources on Albert Corey, he was French and American. And the International Olympic Committee awarded his medal to the US. So according to the IOC, France didn't win any medals at the 1904 Summer Olympics. Joseph2302 (talk) 00:06, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Edits were made in July which were not supported by the reference given, so I have reverted them. Thank you for pointing out the error. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:11, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Want to write

I want to write an article, but i'm kinda bad at writing articles, bad at links, i don't know what to write about, and i just am really bad at making articles. Please Help!

Ilovemathtothe6power (talk) 00:19, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Also, i'm very bad at adding sources. PLEASE HELP!

Ilovemathtothe6power (talk) 00:24, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

@Ilovemathtothe6power: Hello and welcome. I would first say that successfully writing an article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. People who dive right in to article creation often end up disappointed and discouraged. Those who become most successful at creating articles started small at first with making minor edits to existing articles(like correcting spelling), then moving up to more significant edits gradually until they were ready to tackle writing an article from scratch. This helps users learn what is being looked for and how to do it so that when they go to write an article it is much better received.

Since you say you are "bad" at certain aspects of editing, my suggestion would be to start small and make small needed changes to existing articles. You may also want to try the Wikipedia Adventure, a tutorial of sorts structured like a game, to help you learn and improve your skills. If I were you I would hold off on creating articles until I felt better about my editing skills. 331dot (talk) 00:26, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank You So Much!

Ilovemathtothe6power (talk) 00:29, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

What Should I Do With My List of Places Missing Infoboxes?

I've been correcting all of the incorrect infoboxes for places/cities etc, I have a list of all places missing them if its of any use to anyone

Some items in the list don't need them, but they stand out like sore thumbs

The list is only about ~100 items long, and lots of them are just missing the word "infobox"

It would greatly help me and all the other crawlers/databases if these articles conformed

If this is useless then just delete, thanks

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[51039789] => Richland, Indiana [18812442] => Roman Catholic Diocese of Ipil [53925207] => Sainthal [45503552] => Salarzón [50961548] => Kelakam [40467065] => Khadagzai [53559240] => Khamr [42043862] => Khavaran, Tabriz [20893663] => Khawaspur [1515679] => Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy) [41115228] => Kishor [1117691] => Kongens Lyngby [50873256] => Kothapeta [2581807] => Abbotts Ann [853555] => Absaroka (proposed state) [52714709] => Aceguá [39078657] => Agarpara [54702912] => Ak-Terek [51683795] => Aketi [50845945] => Al Ukhaydir [25569138] => Almanzora [50005581] => Alçalı [51896961] => Amsar [588265] => Ankleshwar [91364] => Appomattox County, Virginia [2705757] => Area code 246 [3319622] => Arrondissement of Avignon [3318925] => Arrondissement of Belley [1123646] => Arrondissement of Lens [3318714] => Arrondissement of Marmande [53918673] => Ayni, Tajikistan [52713142] => Babiyachaur [11641870] => March of the Nordgau [54241012] => Margaretha [94167] => Mayfair [50221798] => Milówka [28156054] => Mirzapur Niloni [54516484] => Mohamed Belouizdad [3443093] => Ugartsthal [54402515] => Vadia [31854328] => Vahelna [28361005] => Veerakodi Vellalar [52304397] => Vengara [393353] => Victoria, Hong Kong [25006389] => Byzantium under the Constantinian and Valentinian dynasties [6750502] => Castelfranco di Sopra [52303137] => Chengamanad [52303140] => Chengamanadu [236094] => Cochinchina [124713] => Coldwater, Mississippi [6202913] => Crimonmogate [6551301] => Cunevo [31034631] => Darauli (Vidhan Sabha constituency) [19035145] => Dheri [11412734] => Domail [39417173] => Durhama [52540350] => East Sister Island [37403] => Eastern Europe [53570106] => Eaton, Cheshire West and Chester [51296216] => Eminabad [35104748] => Fitzroy Iron Works [6551430] => Flavon [1280004] => Fort Garry (electoral district) [17759368] => Frankfurt Constitution [95388] => Frisia [20647330] => Gangare [54810852] => Garrett, Kentucky [52294173] => Naduvattom [54456959] => Neo Souli [673381] => New York [14997283] => Newbold, Philadelphia [91274] => Northumberland County, Virginia [635362] => Obertauern [4143391] => Offinso Municipal District [49817980] => Olya [25429896] => Onayena Constituency [994149] => Ostmark (Austria) [7796805] => Hilsa, Bihar [34940487] => History of Grant County, Kansas [5807102] => History of the Philippines (1898–1946) [9288882] => Holy city [62142] => Horn of Africa [50061341] => Hundred of Bagot [379932] => Hévíz Spa [53698464] => Iglino [52772842] => Imeni Voroshilova [6551530] => Ivano-Fracena [37018410] => Janapada [241977] => Jefferson (proposed Pacific state) [42612186] => Jowane Masowe Chishanu [9908550] => Junagarh, Kalahandi [21143407] => Kadmat Island [3737427] => Gorkhaland [50660832] => Groenvlei [37232505] => Gwalior inscription of Mihirakula [3483001] => Halton Region Museum [107191] => Harrisburg, Arkansas [93297] => Henderson County, North Carolina [54626034] => San Pelayo [6255346] => Sharaqpur [5809449] => Shohratgarh [54975597] => Siek [42056380] => Wooster Lake [99221] => World government [53632773] => Woughton [40981147] => Württemberg [54293554] => Yantarny [53271532] => Yokneam [47025369] => List of Ottoman governors of Baghdad [45223701] => Little Grove, Western Australia [52535192] => Macha, Russia [9165935] => Magennis [13172038] => Mainar [33201167] => Majeerteen Sultanate [5800930] => Mancherial [4281261] => Tamilakam [52304337] => Thayannur [39436935] => Tigri Area [69128] => Tonkin [37223878] => Chanderi Inscription of ‘Alā' al-Dīn Khaljī [7451448] => Marble Mountains (Vietnam) [6705968] => Suisio [39700421] => Sympoliteia [53850450] => Sârbi [2127184] => Trans-Karakoram Tract [3694736] => Baddi [40684169] => Baden [55072808] => Bahuara [5598313] => Banatsko Veliko Selo [1120754] => Banu Qasi [52676529] => Barneveld [49847769] => Bastipur [8636030] => Bennett, North Carolina [51241126] => Bentheim [1354215] => Bhind [52719004] => Biendorf [20948269] => Bohai Economic Rim [52667960] => Borynia [16270506] => Pathirippala [2151363] => Patil [26396473] => Pheta [52175984] => Pidhiria [26470094] => Pinangwan [93259] => Polk County, North Carolina [2491879] => Pratapgarh, Uttar Pradesh [1457500] => Province of Catania

JackJones1234 (talk) 04:15, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi JackJones1234, welcome to the Teahouse. I made a wikilinked version below. Many of them are disambiguation pages and shouldn't have infoboxes. Some of the others do have infoboxes or don't need it or are not about places but some could have their talk page placed in Category:Wikipedia articles with an infobox request. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:25, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

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[51039789] => Richland, Indiana (disambiguation) [18812442] => Roman Catholic Diocese of Ipil [53925207] => Sainthal (disambiguation) [45503552] => Salarzón [50961548] => Kelakam (disambiguation) [40467065] => Khadagzai [53559240] => Khamr [42043862] => Khavaran, Tabriz [20893663] => Khawaspur [1515679] => Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy) [41115228] => Kishor [1117691] => Kongens Lyngby [50873256] => Kothapeta (disambiguation) [2581807] => Abbotts Ann [853555] => Absaroka (proposed state) [52714709] => Aceguá (disambiguation) [39078657] => Agarpara [54702912] => Ak-Terek (disambiguation) [51683795] => Aketi (disambiguation) [50845945] => Al Ukhaydir (disambiguation) [25569138] => Almanzora [50005581] => Alçalı (disambiguation) [51896961] => Amsar [588265] => Ankleshwar [91364] => Appomattox County, Virginia [2705757] => Area code 246 [3319622] => Arrondissement of Avignon [3318925] => Arrondissement of Belley [1123646] => Arrondissement of Lens [3318714] => Arrondissement of Marmande [53918673] => Ayni, Tajikistan (disambiguation) [52713142] => Babiyachaur (disambiguation) [11641870] => March of the Nordgau [54241012] => Margaretha [94167] => Mayfair [50221798] => Milówka (disambiguation) [28156054] => Mirzapur Niloni [54516484] => Mohamed Belouizdad [3443093] => Ugartsthal [54402515] => Vadia (disambiguation) [31854328] => Vahelna [28361005] => Veerakodi Vellalar [52304397] => Vengara (disambiguation) [393353] => Victoria, Hong Kong [25006389] => Byzantium under the Constantinian and Valentinian dynasties [6750502] => Castelfranco di Sopra [52303137] => Chengamanad (disambiguation) [52303140] => Chengamanadu (disambiguation) [236094] => Cochinchina [124713] => Coldwater, Mississippi [6202913] => Crimonmogate [6551301] => Cunevo [31034631] => Darauli (Vidhan Sabha constituency) [19035145] => Dheri [11412734] => Domail [39417173] => Durhama [52540350] => East Sister Island (disambiguation) [37403] => Eastern Europe [53570106] => Eaton, Cheshire West and Chester [51296216] => Eminabad [35104748] => Fitzroy Iron Works [6551430] => Flavon [1280004] => Fort Garry (electoral district) [17759368] => Frankfurt Constitution [95388] => Frisia [20647330] => Gangare [54810852] => Garrett, Kentucky (disambiguation) [52294173] => Naduvattom (disambiguation) [54456959] => Neo Souli (disambiguation) [673381] => New York (disambiguation) [14997283] => Newbold, Philadelphia [91274] => Northumberland County, Virginia [635362] => Obertauern [4143391] => Offinso Municipal District [49817980] => Olya (disambiguation) [25429896] => Onayena Constituency [994149] => Ostmark (Austria) [7796805] => Hilsa, Bihar [34940487] => History of Grant County, Kansas [5807102] => History of the Philippines (1898–1946) [9288882] => Holy city [62142] => Horn of Africa [50061341] => Hundred of Bagot (disambiguation) [379932] => Hévíz Spa [53698464] => Iglino [52772842] => Imeni Voroshilova (disambiguation) [6551530] => Ivano-Fracena [37018410] => Janapada [241977] => Jefferson (proposed Pacific state) [42612186] => Jowane Masowe Chishanu [9908550] => Junagarh, Kalahandi [21143407] => Kadmat Island [3737427] => Gorkhaland [50660832] => Groenvlei (disambiguation) [37232505] => Gwalior inscription of Mihirakula [3483001] => Halton Region Museum [107191] => Harrisburg, Arkansas [93297] => Henderson County, North Carolina [54626034] => San Pelayo (disambiguation) [6255346] => Sharaqpur [5809449] => Shohratgarh [54975597] => Siek [42056380] => Wooster Lake [99221] => World government [53632773] => Woughton [40981147] => Württemberg [54293554] => Yantarny [53271532] => Yokneam (disambiguation) [47025369] => List of Ottoman governors of Baghdad [45223701] => Little Grove, Western Australia [52535192] => Macha, Russia [9165935] => Magennis [13172038] => Mainar [33201167] => Majeerteen Sultanate [5800930] => Mancherial [4281261] => Tamilakam [52304337] => Thayannur (disambiguation) [39436935] => Tigri Area [69128] => Tonkin [37223878] => Chanderi Inscription of ‘Alā' al-Dīn Khaljī [7451448] => Marble Mountains (Vietnam) [6705968] => Suisio [39700421] => Sympoliteia [53850450] => Sârbi (disambiguation) [2127184] => Trans-Karakoram Tract [3694736] => Baddi [40684169] => Baden [55072808] => Bahuara (disambiguation) [5598313] => Banatsko Veliko Selo [1120754] => Banu Qasi [52676529] => Barneveld (disambiguation) [49847769] => Bastipur (disambiguation) [8636030] => Bennett, North Carolina [51241126] => Bentheim (disambiguation) [1354215] => Bhind [52719004] => Biendorf (disambiguation) [20948269] => Bohai Economic Rim [52667960] => Borynia [16270506] => Pathirippala [2151363] => Patil [26396473] => Pheta [52175984] => Pidhiria (disambiguation) [26470094] => Pinangwan [93259] => Polk County, North Carolina [2491879] => Pratapgarh, Uttar Pradesh [1457500] => Province of Catania

When you say lots of them are just missing the word "infobox", are you referring to cases like [5]? {{French arrondissement}} is a redirect to {{infobox French arrondissement}} so the addition of "infobox" makes no change on the rendered page. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:39, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Can I get help with a MoS question?

Can I get help w/a MoS question concerning commas?

Wikipedia's MoS says this about commas: "In geographical references that include multiple levels of subordinate divisions (e.g., city, state/province, country), a comma separates each element and follows the last element unless followed by other punctuation. Dates in month–day–year format require a comma after the day, as well as after the year, unless followed by other punctuation. In both cases, the last element is treated as parenthetical. Incorrect: He set October 1, 2011 as the deadline for Chattanooga, Oklahoma to meet his demands. Correct: He set October 1, 2011, as the deadline for Chattanooga, Oklahoma, to meet his demands."

Concerning the commas in dates in month-day-year formet, using this example from the Father Murphy page, "Father Murphy is an American western drama series that aired on the NBC network from November 3, 1981 to September 18, 1983."

The MoS says a comma is required after the year 1981:

"Father Murphy is an American western drama series that aired on the NBC network from November 3, 1981, to September 18, 1983."

Chicago, AP, APA & AMA says the same thing. All reputable sources agree - it's not ambiguous at all.

So why was my change reverted? It doesn't seem as if this is an optional comma; MoS says it's required; no exceptions are noted. What gives? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:35C6:C200:C522:44A:E109:F43F (talk • contribs)

IP is a likely sockpuppet of User:Hoggardhigh and has been reported for investigation. --‖ Ebyabe ^talk - State of the Union ‖ 06:10, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Hardly seems fair to point fingers when the question is legitimate and valid. 2605:E000:35C6:C200:C522:44A:E109:F43F (talk) 06:20, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Bottom line: can a grammarian help answer my question? Thanks for the help! 2605:E000:35C6:C200:C522:44A:E109:F43F (talk) 06:21, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Greetings 2605:E000:35C6:C200:C522:44A:E109:F43F, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your interpretation of the WP:MOS is correct; the comma would be required in that case. That being said, however, there are many who believe that too many commas in a row (even if "required") can interrupt the flow of the sentence. While I personally believe that it would be incorrect to simply remove the commas, often there is a way to rewrite the sentence and eliminate as many commas as possible. Failing that, it may be possible to least move them away from each other so that the comma parentheticals are longer than a single word. In the specific case above, I believe the comma can be safely added without causing undue disruption, but if you choose to re-add it, I would be much more specific about what you are doing and why. I hope this helps. CThomas³ (talk) 06:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks CThomas3! I undid the reversion with the expl not a serial comma but adding the 2nd half of the pair required for a non-restrictive appositive. If that gets reverted again: then what do I do to escalate the matter? 2605:E000:35C6:C200:C522:44A:E109:F43F (talk) 07:08, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Addendum: I am not qualified to comment on any potential WP:BLOCKEVASION, but that policy clearly states that any edits made by or on behalf of a blocked editor may be reverted, even helpful ones (though those are not required to be reverted). I am guessing, based upon Ebyabe's comments above, that it is not a misunderstanding of the MOS that caused your edits to be reverted. CThomas³ (talk) 07:01, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

EBY seems to think I'm a sock puppet - which I'm not. But regardless, to leave that sentrence as it stands is simply wrong. Where do I go with this for help? 2605:E000:35C6:C200:C522:44A:E109:F43F (talk) 07:08, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Exactly: where do I go to get help with this? I'm not a sock puppet, I'm a professor of English writing in so Calif, hardly have the time to be a sockpuppet. So now whaT? tHERE ARE THOUSANDS OF THESE MISSING (2ND) COMMAS & I JUST WANT TO REPAIR THEM. PULLING WOOL OVER SOMEONE'S EYES IS BENEATH ME. 2605:E000:35C6:C200:C522:44A:E109:F43F (talk) 07:15, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Greetings again, 2605:E000:35C6:C200:C522:44A:E109:F43F. If you are not a sockpuppet, the best advice I can give you is to let the process work. Checkusers have some pretty sophisticated tools, and they will come to a definitive answer in relatively short order. Assuming you pass that hurdle, you will be free to edit, but if you do I highly encourage you to create an account. It is free and easy, keeps your IP anonymous, and avoids the extra scrutiny that edits from IP users undergo; wherever you fall on the continuum of the rightness or wrongness of that, it does happen and is something to take into consideration. CThomas³ (talk) 16:38, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

The use of all capitals on the Internet is considered shouting. In case you haven't noticed, professor, Wikipedia is a very large Internet project. Commas are hardly worth shouting over, even if there are real errors. Shouting about commas or about other trivial matters is a way to get negative attention. Just stop shouting. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

My apologies for having hit the capslock button inadvertently and for having offended others by that mistake.2605:E000:35C6:C200:C522:44A:E109:F43F (talk) 17:38, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Newspaper as a reference

Hello everyone. I have been asked to assist with an article and would like some advice; this is the scenario I was presented with..

I have a photocopy of a foreign newspaper article (actually 3 separate newspapers) from the 1950's that I want to use as a reference. The newspaper is not digitized so I can't link to the article. And I don't think I can upload it to Wikimedia Commons because of copyright issues. The information will likely be contested so I want to make the source(s) available.

Any thoughts on the best way to proceed? Doctor^G  (talk) 15:14, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Doctorg: here is what I would recommend.

Add references to the foreign newspapers, giving for each the name of the newspaper, the date of the issue, the page and maybe column number, and the name of the journalist. If the information is contested, upload an image of the photocopy to a web site (not Wikipedia) that is willing to host such images, and tell the contesters its URL. Or, if the illegality of that worries you, email the image to the contesters. Maproom (talk) 15:39, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello Doctorg and welcome to the Teahouse.

Offline sources are acceptable. Just put in the complete bibliographic information so someone could look up the article in question: name of newspaper, city where published, date, page, etc. If all you have is a clipping without any details about where it was published, I'm afraid it cannot be used as a reference. — jmcgnh^{(talk) (contribs)} 15:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the input, I thought of those ideas as well, but just wanted to use this as a sounding board. I also thought about having the editor contact the newspapers again and ask for their permission to upload to Wikimedia Commons. I'll pass this along and help them out. Thanks again! Doctor^G  (talk) 15:50, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

No, Doctorg, uploading is not required, and not usually appropriate. The point of a reference is that a reader should be able to find and consult it they need to: it's perfectly acceptable for them to have to subscribe to something, or to order it from a major library. What the reference must do is give sufficient bibliographic information that they can in principle locate it and order a copy. Unless the source is primarily a web site, then an online link is never ever ever required: it's simply a courtesy to make things easier for the reader. --ColinFine (talk) 16:43, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Maproom, sorry, your post is directions to violate copyright, and of course, any link to the copyright violation that would be created thereby is barred for use per WP:ELNEVER. Doctorg: please disregard that advice.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)

Draft:Firstdub

It keeps getting reject because 'because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia'.

How can i demonstrate this? Brixjon (talk) 16:53, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Brixjon: by have the article cite reliable independent published sources with in-depth discussion of the subject. Maproom (talk) 17:44, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Brixjon, and welcome to the Teahouse. On Wikipedia, everything we write must be cited to a reliable source (click here to read what Wikipedia considers a reliable source). To establish a subject's notability click here to learn how notability is defined on Wikipedia), you need at least two, but preferably 3–6, reliable sources that are independent of the subject (so interviews, self-published books, the subject's own website, etc. don't count) and that cover the subject in some detail — more than a passing mention. Sources you'e looking for should ideally resemble this piece at ANightInThe6ix.com (click)... except that that page is a blog post, and blogs are not considered reliable sources.

To be frank, Brixjon, I looked for any reliable sources, on both Google and Google News, and found nothing about Firstdub. If there are no reliable sources giving appropriate coverage, then there can't be a Wikipedia article. But that may be temporary; reliable news outlets may take notice and write about Firstdub in the future. In the meantime, there are lots of other music industry entities you could write about, including existing Wikipedia articles you could edit. Creating a new article is actually one of the hardest things to do here, so you may find it easier to get that eventual Firstdub article accepted if you have more editing experience under your belt. Good luck! —GrammarFascist _contribs^talk 18:13, 24 September 2017 (UTC)