Talk:Tony Hoare

Knighthood

The article is not clear on whether the subject is KBE, MBE, CBE, &c. as per Order of the British Empire, which I think is an important detail to add. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.251.27.222 (talk) 04:58, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Misattributed Quotation

The article said:

"We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time: premature optimization is the root of all evil." (This quote has also been attributed to Donald E. Knuth and Robert Floyd.)

The quotation has been attributed to Knuth because it was written by Knuth. It appears in his article Structured Programming with GO TO Statements that appeared in ACM Computing Surveys, Vol. 6, No. 4, December 1974, p. 268. A more complete version is:

There is no doubt that the grail of efficiency leads to abuse. Programmers waste enormous amounts of time thinking about, or worrying about, the speed of noncritical parts of their programs, and these attempts at efficiency actually have a strong negative impact when debugging and maintenance are considered. We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time: premature optimization is the root of all evil.

-- Dominus 14:27, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

On further investigation, I find that Knuth does attribute the "premature optimization" aphorism to Hoare. (Although not, obviously, the particular statement of it quoted above.) See Knuth's 1989 paper The Errors of TeX, section F:

(But I also knew, and forgot, Hoare's dictum that premature optimization is the root of all evil in programming.)

-- Dominus 02:03, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't know whether it's worth adding but we was just given an honorary degree by Queen Mary, University of London today.

GalaxiaGuy 4 July 2005 22:12 (UTC)

Most commonly-used algorithm?

The article claims:

[He] is a British computer scientist, probably best known for the development of Quicksort, the world's most widely used sorting algorithm, and perhaps even the world's most widely used algorithm of any kind, in 1960.

On what grounds is it "the world's most widely used algorithm of any kind"? Is it really more commonly used than, say, matrix multiplication, or floating point addition, etc? Neilc 05:04, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

You need to re-read the quotation. The author says "the world's most widely used SORTING algorithm," which is probably correct.

Apparently there was a crack in this person's screen, such that the end of the quotation was not visible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.108.225.155 (talk) 02:17, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd be actually surprised if quicksort was the most-widely used sorting algorithm. In some cases it might be the best choice but there are other sorting algorithms (merge sort, heap sort) which in many aspects outscore quicksort. Python and Java seem to rely on timsort (a mergesort variant) as their standard sorting algorithm, as mentioned [here]. Anyway, if this sentence is to stand (I guess I've criticised it enough), it should be backed up with some sources. Alfe (talk) 16:18, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Time in Russia

On the one occasion that I spoke to Tony he told me that the atmosphere changed dramatically after he the U-2 incident ... so that's why I've included that because it clearly affected him.

When I knew (of) him he was nearly 70 and attending the gym regularly ... he also wore a Panama hat ... Panama hat + public school + Classics at Oxbridge + Royal Navy national service + time spent in Russia + knighthood, I also asked him if he'd ever been approached to do espionage work, but he said he hadn't ... but I guess he would hardly have said yes if he had!

User:Lawrennd 29 July 2005

Date of Quicksort

The article claims that quicksort was invented in 1960. Here it is claimed it was in 1961: http://comjnl.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/14/4/391 Who are right ?

Pronunciation of name

The pronunciation of Hoare's name would make a nice addition to the article. 12.159.141.30 16:50, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Heh, yea. I always have been saying Car Whore in my mind128.61.171.50 (talk) 15:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 05:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

"Root of all evil" quote

Hello, I placed some dubious tags around the note that says that the quote is due to Hoare. Although it is often attributed to Hoare, it is more often attributed to Knuth, and while there is evidence of Knuth having actually said it, there is none of Hoare having done so. I just spent the last hour or so trying to look it up; see [1]. Suggestions? shreevatsa (talk) 00:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:C._A._R._Hoare#Misattributed_Quotation - Francis Tyers · 17:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I read the link. Sounds like it would make an interesting article in itself, Premature optimisation is the root of all evil perhaps? - Francis Tyers · 17:03, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Humorous poem

The following poem was in circulation amongst students of computer science in the UK in the mid 80s:

Charles Antony Richard Hoare
All his books are such a bore
The latest is the worst of his
Communicating Sequential Processes  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.32.57.150 (talk) 21:34, 14 August 2011 (UTC) 

Biography

What does this mean: "He remained an extra year at Oxford studying graduate-level statistics, and following his National Service in the Royal Navy (1956–1958)."? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.131.46.180 (talk) 19:58, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, indeed: It would be interesting to have more-detailed information about his postgraduate studies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.135.222.16 (talk) 13:31, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Birthdate citation

The citation for his birthday is a broken link (it redirects to the page for that section of the newspaper). Does someone have a proper link or another source? --2607:4000:200:13:F24D:A2FF:FE0C:A99E (talk) 01:19, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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