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Sawyer Gaffney

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BLP about an amateur footballer who played 14 minutes in a single United Soccer League match on an academy (non-professional) contract more than one year ago. Although there is concensus that the USL is a fully-pro league, his substitute's appearance was as an amateur and we have a long-standing consensus that a very minimal amount of play such as this doesn't meet the spirit of WP:NFOOTBALL. Also, although I found one decent article in the Richmond Times-Dispatch, the other coverage of this footballer is routine and doesn't come close to passing WP:GNG. A PROD was removed on the grounds that the article satisfies NFOOTBALL, but I don't believe that is accurate (particularly in spirit). Jogurney (talk) 15:31, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Jogurney (talk) 15:37, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

• Keep passes WP:FOOTY and the subject is 20 years and just made his debut and see no reason in deleting it after he has made his debut and is currently playing. SNGs including WP:FOOTY exist to provide for the inclusion of certain defined subjects that cannot immediately be shown to pass GNG. An SNG provides for a presumption of notability, not a presumption of non-notability An SNG cannot be used to exclude/delete an article when the subject passes GNG, but the reverse is patently absurd because that would negate the entire reason for the existence of SNGs particularly for a player currently playing and only 20 years old.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 16:52, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
  • I believe this is a unique situation where a footballer who is an amateur played in a "fully-pro league." Also, we have consistently determined that NFOOTBALL should be applied on a common sense basis when a footballer so narrowly crosses the bright-line (most recently at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abdullah Al-Khethiri and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wouter Soomer). Note that this footballer hasn't begun a professional career at this point, so to say he "is currently playing" is misleading. Like most amateur footballers, we have no reason to believe he will ever sign a professional contract until the point that it actually happens. Jogurney (talk) 17:10, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

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• Question Isn't the second tier a semi-pro league? Wouldn't he fail NFooty? Govvy (talk) 22:32, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
• Show Cause Did my own search and only good source I found was this - [1]. Since they player is a recent player, barely meets the SNG, and plays in an English-speaking country, I think it's reasonable to ask to see sources as opposed to just presuming they exist since they will take a while to find. RonSigPi (talk) 00:19, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

• Reply Seriously is that all you got to go on? If that was the case I would also have a footy article on here for playing for Hatfield Town! But as it stands, the article fails WP:GNG due to lack of coverage. Govvy (talk) 10:59, 20 October 2017 (UTC)