Talk:Parliament of Finland

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201 members are elected (200 from Finland and one from Åland). The parliament consists of 201 members, (200 regular representatives and the speaker). -- Cimon Avaro on a pogostick

But isn't Ålands MP counted in the 200? See for instance here, just clik on "kaikki", it shows 200 MPs, one of them from Åland. And it includes the speaker too. Where did the 201st MP go? -- Jniemenmaa 20:46, Aug 18, 2003 (UTC)

You were right.

I even hand counted the members in the seating arrangement. I remember a time however, when the youngest member could not take her seat until the Speaker left to join the President on the dais at the formal opening of parliament. I guess they got bored with that. Now they have an empty chair instead... -- Cimon Avaro on a pogo-stick 03:36, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

Hey, no problem. I've heard the 201 figure before and I wasn't that certain myself. Allthough the Eduskunta website clearly says 200, I always assumed the same thing you did. Also at election time they TV commentators allways emphasise the "extra member" from Åland. -- Jniemenmaa 08:50, Aug 19, 2003 (UTC)

Picture

That picture of the parliament house is absolutely priceless. That guy in the foreground should be elected as an MP. — JIP | Talk 13:06, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Changing the Constitution

It should be added that the Constitution can also be changed if 5/6 vote it to be "urgent" and then 2/3 approve it. 80.186.100.180 11:16, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Valtiopäivät

What about mention of this term here? -Yupik 09:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Mistakes in the list on the right

It says 51 members for National Coalition (which includes Sauli Niinistö, the speaker), but then has the Speaker listed separately as well; Sauli Niinistö is thus effectively counted twice. The Åland representive is not listed at all. Not sure what is the best fix for those, though, so I'm saying it here.. 109.204.144.132 (talk) 16:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes. You must be right. I'll fix it. JoolzWiki (talk) 20:32, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Seating order

The picture on the right should be modified. It has green color for the National coalition party and blue color for the Centre Party - that should be vice versa. Also, the seating order of the parties is all messed up. The real seating order can be seen here[1]. From left to right: Left Alliance, Social Democrats, Greens, True Finns, Centre Party, Christian Democrats, National Coalition Party, Swedish People's Party. Some of these Wikipedia-charts put government on one side and the opposition on the other, but even in that case the picture should be modified. --89.27.103.116 (talk) 12:16, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Now it's much better, but still one thing: the speaker is now a Social Democrat, not anymore an NCP-member. --89.27.103.116 (talk) 15:44, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was no consensus. --BDD (talk) 21:55, 4 April 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Parliament of Finland → Eduskunta – Hi! Per WP:OTHERCRAP this might not pass, but however, articles should be named as they exist. Riigikogu is here Riigikogu, not Parliament of Estonia, Folketing is here Folketing, not Parliament of Denmark, Knesset is here Knesset, not Parliament of Israel, Riksdag is here Riksdag, not Parliament of Sweden, Verkhovna Rada is here Verkhovna Rada, not Parliament of Ukraine. The list goes on and on. If you simply say "well, the media says Parliament of Finland", well then you definitely shouldn't say Verkhovna Rada, but instead Parliament of Ukraine, and the same goes for the rest of those others. Relisted. BDD (talk) 16:46, 28 March 2013 (UTC) -- Puisque (talk) 03:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

• Comment can you show that this is the name that is commonly used in English? -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 03:49, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose, per WP:USEENGLISH. The group's English-language website says, "Parliament of Finland" in large type on the top, and "The Finnish Parliament" in the fine print. Update: Highbeam has three results for "Eduskunta" for the last two years, 61 for "Finnish parliament." Kauffner (talk) 14:13, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
• Support. Generally, if a nation's term for their own parliament is different from their generic word for parliament, and if the word is not rarely used in English sources, I think using that term as the title would be best (unless a common/official English translation exists). Also, this seems to already be the general precedent. User332572385 (talk) 10:18, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
  Edited to add: note that all nearby countries to Finland have the native name as article title. User332572385 (talk) 10:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. If [[]] was commonly used in English-languauge sources I would be more than happy to support the move but it seems it is not. Zarcadia (talk) 20:18, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

I notice that the Finnish site yli.fi uses the term Finnish parliament in its English-language stories: [2], [3], [4], [5]. The term is predominant in UK news media too:

• Google News search for "Eduskunta" in UK sources: 0 results

• Google News search for "Finnish Parliament" in UK sources: 10 results

• Google News search for "Parliament of Finland" in UK sources: 1 result

I suspect that English-speaking people in countries that are more distant from Finland may be less familiar with the term Eduskunta. Without meaning to slight anyone, of the WP:OTHERSTUFF examples given in the proposal, the Knesset is probably the only body widely known by its native name among English speakers, with the German Bundestag and Russian Duma (I piped this one) also being well-known. The other articles can be seen at List of legislatures by country and as the nominator implied, most of them have been given English names. —rybec 06:56, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

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Name change to native

The name of this article should indeed not be the English descriptor but the actual name of the institution the article covers. See corresponding articles about the parliament of Denmark Folketing and the parliament of Sweden Riksdag. Let’s make this one about the parliament of Finland be entitled what it actually is, Eduskunta. Pessimistipasta (talk) 10:35, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't appear that English-language sources regularly use the term. As such, it would fail WP:USEENGLISH. Also, given the lack of consensus from the previous discussion above, it would be better to file a new RM rather than unilaterally moving the page. --Paul_012 (talk) 20:07, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Requested move 20 October 2017

Parliament of Finland → Eduskunta – As Finland is officially a non-English-speaking country, it seems short-sighted to have an unofficial English name as the name of this article. Respective articles about parliaments abroad follow a logical pattern: the name of the article is the name of the parliament in the majority native language (see: Folketing, Riksdag, Althing). The most obvious reason for this is that Finland does not have an institution literally called ’Parliament’. We’ve got an eduskunta, and for the sake of both truthfulness and loyalty to abiding by widely-used practices, let’s name this article that. Pessimistipasta (talk) 21:15, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

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