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Fredrik Virtanen

Poorly sourced or unsourced statements about alleged crimes are repeatedely added to the page in violation of WP:BLP. Ulner (talk) 06:42, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

I PROD'd the page since it is a BLP with no references. Meatsgains (talk) 18:44, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

meatsgains (talk · contribs), Ulner (talk · contribs) - someone added a reference and de-prodded (as they were perfectly entitled to). However there's nothing in the article to suggest he's notable in Wiki terms - he seems to be simply a working journalist and author. I can't find any better references, though naturally these may be in Swedish, which I don't speak. I'm taking it to afd - perhaps someone there can investigate whether there are better Swedish references. Neiltonks (talk) 12:53, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I'll respond on the AfD. Meatsgains (talk) 01:57, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Bir Abu Matar

Hello,

I've created "Bir Abu Matar" based on a book in Hebrew I own and on the Wikipedia article in Hebrew on the same subject. The article was tagged as a "Biography of a living person", I'm guessing by a bot and by mistake. This is NOT the name of a person but of an archaeological site in Southern Palestine. Could someone please removed the "Biography" tags or let me know how I can do it? Khayyam 77 (talk) 12:00, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

@Khayyam 77: Done, take a look at the project template I added (ie click edit. Doug Weller talk 12:26, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: Thanks! Khayyam 77 (talk) 13:36, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Nicole Krauss; relationship staus and COI

• Nicole Krauss (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Harperbooks (talk · contribs)

Two questions about this, the first of which is whether the subject essentially waived her expectation to privacy when mentioning her relationship status in an interview. The second is whether the account removing the sourced content, presumably at the subject's request, has COI and username issues, as it appears to represent the author's publishing firm [1]. 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:10, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

I have removed it for a couple of reasons: Firstly we generally only mention partners if they have a significant impact on the subject's life. Boyfriends/Girlfriends when they are long-term - not just any old relationship. Secondly - she cant waive his right to privacy. As a non-notable person his name would generally not be included per WP:BLPNAME unless there is a very good argument he is significant to a better understanding of the subject. Only in death does duty end (talk) 15:15, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

There's a valid point re: his right to privacy. However, their relationship has been long-term and is not insignificant, based upon the Elle interview: Since her separation from Foer, Krauss says, she’s been in a relationship with 32-year-old Israeli journalist and novelist Gon Ben Ari, whom she met during the Jerusalem Writers Festival in 2008. “It turned into a long-lasting friendship, as I spent a lot of time in New York for my work, and she in Israel for hers,” Ben Ari writes in an e-mail. “My appreciation of her writing just grew as I saw her take larger and larger risks with it.” Krauss says that Ben Ari has been one of her first readers for the last decade: “Daily, I have conversations with him that are, I don’t know”—she searches for the word—“an expansion.” 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:30, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

However much she expressed enjoying conversations, that is non-encyclopedic until we have secondary reliable sources that reflect on the influence he has on her work. It is unsurprising and in fact expected that creative professionals talk about their creative work - that doesn't by itself make it notable. You are correct that the username is almost certainly outside policy and likely implies COI so I have dropped a uw-username on their page. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 15:34, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Okay. I'm not strong on including personal content in bios to begin with, but was curious about this situation. Given the long-term nature of the relationship and the fact that both are published writers, I'm not convinced that such mention is inappropriate. I'm also in no way inclined to re-add it, unless there's a consensus to do so. 2601:188:180:11F0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 15:41, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

A good rule of thumb is 'Do they have a Wikipedia article?' - if the answer is no, they will almost always fall under not public figure, non-notable individual. So we would generally not mention them unless there was some evidence of impact on the subjects life - children for example. If they do have a Wikipedia article, as a notable individual - you can generally include the relationship as long as its a longer stable one rather than a brief liason, and is reliably sourced. Which when two notable individuals are in a relationship, can often easily be found. This area of the policy is deliberately not set in stone 'this must be obeyed' because there is a wide variety of circumstances to take into account. Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:01, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Christopher Shaw (neuroscientist)

This article is inaccurate and the context in which these inaccuracies occurs is defamatory. I will allow Wikipedia until Monday, Oct 23, 2017 to delete this article. If this is not done by this deadline, civil action will follow and those who have edited it will be named as defendants. The clock is ticking. If I see the article still there on Monday, these actions will follow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.69.184.154 (talk) 19:17, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Can you tell us what is inaccurate in the article? It is quite short.

Please also be aware of WP:NLT. Making legal threats often makes it more difficult to fix problems with articles, rather than achieving the desired effect of particular changes or deletions.

The article could possibly be deleted if it does not meet WP:GNG -- WP:ACADEMIC may also be relevant in this context. I know relatively little about this and it's not clear to me that Shaw fails notability guidelines as an academic. MPS1992 (talk) 20:13, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

You can see why he wouldn't like it. I've had a look at the sources, and in my view they stand up, supporting the claims in the article. I've put it on my watchlist. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:54, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Christopher Shaw (neuroscientist) excellent example of the Streisand effect either purposeful or accidental. --RAN (talk) 21:42, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

I've also come to the same conclusion when I looked at the article in response to a helpme by an ipv6 user, who also issued a legal threat. My guess is he didn't anticipate that Wikipedia articles are warts-and-all. —Jeremy v^_^v ^Bori! 04:36, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Various articles - single-purpose IP adding guilt-by-association to living people

While clearing up a baseless talk page accusation on Talk:Austrian People's Party, I checked the IP who placed it. [2] The IP is a single-purpose account obsessed with mentioning on articles about living people that they were mentioned in the manifesto of terrorist Anders Behring Breivik, a very serious form of guilt by association. To imply that the words of Australian prime minister John Howard or Japanese prime minister Taro Aso led to a grown man butchering children is moral panic not unlike Marilyn Manson and Columbine.

The IP's talk page rants show that they have a political motive and are WP:NOTHERE. [3] slippery slope fallacy.

I didn't know where to come for this report. I didn't know if I could tag an IP as an SPA, nor if this was a topic for ANI. And I don't know if BLP policy means these edits or talk page posts about living people can be deleted by admins: it's true that Breivik mentioned them but it has very little to do with the people themselves and his post on the John Howard talk page suggests the IP is editing to try to convince people that conservatism leads to terrorism. Anarcho-authoritarian (talk) 22:54, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

The IP talk page does not seem to have received any warnings about this behavior yet, which is both strange and unfortunate. Regardless, perhaps someone should block the IP for a month or so and then see what happens after the block expires. MPS1992 (talk) 23:24, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

james burgoyne

This profile has been created in malice, the sources linked have also been falsified. The whole profile has been created as an online taunt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiwatcherwacky (talk • contribs) 20:33, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

@Wikiwatcherwacky: What should his career stats be? I didn't completely vet the numbers, but I saw the stats page exists. —C.Fred (talk) 20:44, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Actually, good catch. I just saw the subtle stats vandalism. Cricinfo shows 1 wicket, 46 runs;[4] I'm changing the article to that. —C.Fred (talk) 20:46, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

John Besh

Recent allegations are being fought over by new editors--part of the problem is the placement and phrasing of those allegations. It needs experienced editors, and it would be a good idea if 0ver C00ked and FollowNPOVandBLP stayed away. Drmies (talk) 00:42, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Well done on the semi-protection. Added to watchlist. --John (talk) 00:46, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you both. FollowNPOVandBLP (talk) 00:47, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Being chided

note:this comment has been moved from BLPN talk. Fyddlestix (talk) 01:27, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

I'm delighted to stay away. 0ver C00ked (talk) 01:09, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Nancy Nash

A series of editors with direct conflicts of interest (first the subject herself, then a person who clearly identified himself as a personal friend of hers, and then an anonymous IP number) have persistently been making edits to Nancy Nash over the past two years. The situation is that the Juno Award nomination that she received in 1994, the sole reason she qualifies to have a Wikipedia article at all, ran right into a brick wall of controversy around allegations that she didn't have the moral rights to even record the song she got nominated for. (Bonus history lesson for anybody who thinks cultural appropriation is a new thing that people never argued about before the 2010s!) But even though I was extremely careful to be as fair as possible to both sides of that dispute within the bounds of what could be reliably sourced, Nash appears to be determined to ensure that the article reflects her side of the story only, by adding unsourced and unverifiable and very non-neutral claims that she was 100 per cent in the right and her accuser was just an asshole — for one thing, her version completely wipes out any acknowledgement whatsoever of the properly sourced fact that the single biggest part of what got her accuser's dander up in the first place was that her PR at the time was explicitly claiming that she was the adopted daughter of his dead father (she later went even farther, claiming that he adopted her in a dream.) Instead, she now turns it into an unsourcable claim that the accuser adopted her as his sister himself — which is not what she or any known source about the controversy said at the time — and then turned on her for no discernible or justifiable reason whatosever.

For comparison's sake, this is the last version before her most recent takeover attempt. But having been dealing with this for two years now, I'm getting quite tired of it and would like to ask if somebody unconnected to the dispute can review the prior version and the current one, and figure out how to get back to some semblance of properly sourced neutrality. Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 03:19, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Bueller? Bearcat (talk) 16:54, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Bowe Bergdahl

Former president Barack Obama is replaced with "terrorist muslim". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 179.35.19.162 (talk) 06:27, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Jundo Cohen

The Jundo Cohen article has only 2 references, one to the subject's own website, the other to material he wrote about himself on another website.

He also links to his other wikipedia page: Treeleaf Zendo. That page is referenced to his website, and to expired web links.

I assume all of this goes against Wikipedia policy.

I am not confident enough to change the pages but wanted to bring it to your attention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Puthujjana (talk • contribs) 14:38, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Nominated for AfD. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:52, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Felipe VI of Spain

When I viewed the page (on 22 Oct 2017), King Felipe VI of Spain was described as an "Inbred Beard Model" and his prime minister was described as a "parcel of cat feces." I imagine that these pages will be vandalized frequently until Spain recognizes Catalonia as an independent state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.17.250.147 (talk) 19:10, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

This seems to have been the only recent vandalism. Rmhermen (talk) 03:06, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

James Toback

The director James Toback is a subject of sexual harassment allegations today in the Los Angeles Times. More eyes on the article are required. Coretheapple (talk) 19:19, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

I got eyes on it. (Heroeswithmetaphors) talk 17:26, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Yep, and the list will be growing, given that we are in the midst of a feeding-frenzy. Coretheapple (talk) 20:58, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

C. Marcella Carollo

C. Marcella Carollo - citation added 22 October 2017 does not list name of this person. Repeatedly added by various users. Potential vandalism.

GalilaeusGalilaeus (talk) 20:06, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Reverted and protected by Favonian. The next time you see this, instead of continually reverting the BLP violations, you can ask for Page Protection at the Requests for Page Protection Noticeboard. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:21, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

@Favonian and Eggishorn: See [5]. Perhaps the news could be incorporated into the article in a more neutral way? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 00:11, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

@Mike Peel:, a blog that refers back to the original blog post as its sole source doesn't inspire great confidence in BLP compliance or RS status, to be honest. Thanks for the ping. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:34, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Lisa Kemmerer

Lisa_Kemmerer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Per WP:BLPSELF I've come here seeking some assistance with this article. While I'm not the person the article is about, I know the person and I don't want to violate WP:COI by making major changes to the article.

I would like to help improve the article by resolving the issues mentioned at the top. I'm looking for sources for some of the things mentioned in the article to resolve the primary source issue. I don't think I can resolve the close connection issue, and so I've come here for some assistance.

Could someone please make some suggestions on the talk page about what the article needs to resolve the issues? I'd really appreciate it.

Caeruleus pungens (talk) 20:49, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

I am copying this request over to the article's talk page, where it is more likely to be seen by those who have tagged it. --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:24, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Pooja Jain

Please verify the sources and content on Pooja Jain. Thanks -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 14:47, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Shia LaBeouf

Shia LaBeouf (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Recently my edits were reverted at this article by Sundayclose, FlightTime, Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi and Flyer22 Reborn. I asked why on the talk page but, after two months, have not received a reply.

The subject has been struggling with addiction and a declining career for several years, and has been trolled by /pol/ members over his involvement with the anti-Trump HEWILLNOTDIVIDE.US project, which may explain how this article has gotten so out of hand. (Or it might just be the fluff accretion one often sees with GA/FA celeb bios.)

Most pertinently the Legal troubles and controversy section is huge, currently consisting of ten paragraphs. Maybe these three minor events should be chopped:

Early in the morning of November 4, 2007, a security guard asked LaBeouf to leave a Chicago Walgreens, which LaBeouf refused to do. LaBeouf was arrested for misdemeanor criminal trespassing. The criminal charges were dropped on December 12, 2007.

In March 2008, police issued an arrest warrant for LaBeouf after he failed to make a court appearance, which had been in relation to a ticket he had received for unlawful smoking in Burbank, California, in February 2008. When neither LaBeouf nor a lawyer appeared at the court at the 8:30 a.m. hearing, a $1000 bench warrant was issued for his arrest. However, the court commissioner in California recalled this warrant on March 19, 2008, after the actor's attorney arrived a day late to plead not guilty on LaBeouf's behalf, and a pre-trial hearing was set for April 24, 2008. The charge was dismissed, after the actor paid a $500 fine.

In the early hours of February 5, 2011, he was involved in an altercation with another patron at the Mad Bull's Tavern bar in the Sherman Oaks neighborhood of Los Angeles, which resulted in the actor getting punched in the face. Both LaBeouf and the unnamed patron were placed in handcuffs and questioned by a Los Angeles Police Department officer but later released with no arrest being made. In 2014, LaBeouf was banned from The Local Peasant restaurant in Sherman Oaks after urinating on the wall.

As per usual, the whole section is almost entirely cobbled together from primary sources such as People, TMZ, etc. Really, it should all go until decent secondary sources are found.

The relationship section is also overly detailed, poorly and primary-sourced (including multiple Daily Mails, and the Mirror's 3AM column), and full of tabloidy tidbits such as "I still love her. I think she's a fucking awesome person and an incredible actress. We're still pals. I wouldn't take any of it back, and I don't think she would either. It just ran its course." and In June 2011, in an interview in Details magazine, he claimed that he and Lucas were "philandering around" before the accident occurred.

There's also an inconsequential section about his support for Jeremy Corbyn, and a section heading titled Sexual assault which, on first viewing, may give the impression that Mr LaBeouf was the perpetrator of said assault. Someone might want to reassess this article's GA status. --Hillbillyholiday (talk) 20:00, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

I went ahead and made some changes, but the article still needs attention. Don't none of y'all go revertin me, y'hear? --Hillbillyholiday (talk) 16:51, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

I totally support the removal of the unlawful smoking, failing to leave Walgreens, and not-being-arrested-after-a-fight incidents. Especially if the fellow has plenty of other more interesting controversies. I do have a soft spot for the "we're still pals" quote, but perhaps only because my sense of encyclopedic tone is rather off. (I think such quotes add color and make for a more interesting read -- perhaps put it in a quote box and make the body text more professional.) People, TMZ and Daily Mail are not primary sources, but of course they are not generally considered to be strong reliable sources. MPS1992 (talk) 17:57, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

His bio isn't "colorful" enough? And I think you'll find that those People, TMZ and Daily Mail reports were published at the time of the events to which they refer, and so are generally considered primary sources. --Hillbillyholiday (talk) 18:07, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

If it's important to you and it's actually relevant to what content gets included in the article, feel free to argue that out at WP:RSN. MPS1992 (talk) 22:18, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Argue what out? You're not trying to divide us, are you? --Hillbillyholiday (talk) 23:06, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Dividing by one wouldn't achieve much there, so serious commentators would avoid discourse with you altogether. Go argue with yourself, if you like arguing so much. MPS1992 (talk) 23:12, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Er, excuse me, but I'll do the trolling round here thank you very much. --Hillbillyholiday (talk) 23:17, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Ha, all right. I won't drink to that, nor drink with you, nor actually drink at all, so you'd better have two. (I watched Patton (film) earlier this evening -- oh my, what an excellent maniac he really was.) MPS1992 (talk) 23:31, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

MPS1992, per this RfC, I don't consider People as being in the same category as TMZ and the Daily Mail, but, yeah, if there is a stronger source than People, I would go with that. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:06, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

The Shia LaBeouf discussion might have stalled because we were all involved in an ANI manner on the same day. In that discussion, a number of editors agreed that it is often that such big deletions should be discussed first. At the article's talk page, I noted that "trimming is not an issue, but some of it should probably remain. When I get some good time, I will assess the content and give my opinion on what should be cut and what should remain. At the moment, I am busy with other matters on Wikipedia." I obviously did not get around to doing that. As for sourcing, editors have also been clear that some of the things Hillbillyholiday is requesting secondary sources for don't need secondary sources. If The Guardian reports on something about Shia LaBeouf, we don't need a book source noting that The Guardian reported this, for example. Furthermore, as has been stated before, the vast majority of reliable sources for celebrities are going to be media sources, not book sources or whatever other type of source Hillbillyholiday considers to be a secondary source. Most book sources on celebrities are self-published sources, unauthorized biographies or tell-all books. Unless they are historical and/or political figures, it's only occasionally that one will find one or more decent book sources on a celebrity. Even with as famous as Michael Jackson is, most of the sources in the WP:FA Michael Jackson article are media sources. They are also usually the best sources, given some of the books out there on Jackson.

Anyway, I agree that the Shia LaBeouf personal life material needed significant trimming and that the article's GA status should be reassessed. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 06:09, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Aww, thanks. Apology accepted. --Hillbillyholiday (talk) 22:59, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

LOL, well, I'm not going to claim an apology in this case since I do keep the WP:Preserve policy in mind, which means that I look to see if anything should be retained, especially when a deletion involves the removal of a lot of text. It's often easy to replace a poor source with a better source, for instance. But, yeah, looking at what you removed in the case of this article, I'm not yet seeing anything that should be retained. Not unless some of the things should have a brief mention. Also, it seemed that FlightTime agreed with you, but simply wanted you to discuss first. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:06, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Then again, FlightTime might have been agreeing with my "should be discussed first" stance. I would ping FlightTime for clarification, but FlightTime was clear at WP:ANI that he or she didn't want to be pinged about this and closely related matters again. Also, FlightTime is surely aware of this thread via the ping above. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 02:14, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Hannah Holborn Gray

In the body of the article about Hannah you mention that she was at Northwestern University, Evanston campus, however in the chronological listing you don't mention Northwestern Unversity!!!!!She was also Dean of Woman at NU. Please contact her office or Northwestern University and correct this omission. Much appreciated.......Quecumquae sunt veritas!!!!!

Baked Alaska (entertainer)

I'd like to report several people who have Coup d'état this page to spread misleading information about Baked Alaska. If a person is to correct the article, they immediately revert it to their bias version with no explanation whatsoever, completely ignoring the neutral point of view policy. Even though Baked Alaska have denied all the claims himself, tabloid propaganda articles are still being used as valid sources.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chikicreamdaddy (talk • contribs) 16:03, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Please read this policy on sourcing and this policy on Biographies of Living Persons. Attempting to remove sourced citations to reliable sources will be reverted with no explanation because it is a violation of those policies. International Business Times, Business Insider, and GizModo are not tabloid sources. If Gionet denies these claims, and there is a reliable source that reports those denials, then that can be added in the article but removing the claims simply because of a denial is not accepted. Note that "a reliable source that reports those denials" is, generally speaking, not the subject's social media accounts. Hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:18, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Actually it is acceptable where an allegation has been made to use a primary source to express the position of the person/company the allegation is made against. Primary sources are reliable for the position/thought/opinion of the subject. Regardless of if other people have covered it. Note the use of 'position' there though. Its fine to briefly say 'Company A have denied these allegations' sourced to their website/PR. Its not ok to say 'these allegations are wrong because the company/person said so' sourced to same. Although this isn't what happened here - what often happens is you get some piddly little tabloid gossip inserted into a biography, followed by an extensive rebuttal by the subject sourced to multiple primary sources - resulting in bloated controversy sections over minor stuff. Only in death does duty end (talk) 08:27, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Charles Phillips (businessman)

Graduate of New York Law School not New York University— Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.67.210.21 (talk) 12:11, October 24, 2017‎

Article updated. Thanks for the note. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:24, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Patric Gozzi

Patric Gozzi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) does not meet notability criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LittleRaisin (talk • contribs) 18:01, 24 October 2017 (UTC)

Alexander Haditaghi

This article is a pure self-advertisement about a living person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Haditaghi who is trying to gain some revenue from his popularity. This article existed before and was removed, however it's back again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.234.2 (talk) 18:27, 24 October 2017‎

The page does need some trimming. I'll go through and remove some of the promotional tone but additional eyes would be appreciated. Meatsgains (talk) 01:36, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Michael Cadnum

The information on the wikipedia Michael Cadnum page looks accurate to me--Michael Cadnum. So the cautionary template can be removed. If there is any problem, leave it. But really it may clutter and mislead, since it cautions unnecessarily. Or so it seems to me. Thanks for your help, everyone. MC

The information on the page may be accurate but needs additional reliable sources to strengthen verifiability. Meatsgains (talk) 01:29, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Kevin Deutsch

Got another interesting one for an experienced editor: much of the article reads like a hit piece, other parts read like fluff, and I just blocked a bunch of COI socks. Article needs attention; the lead is already undue. Drmies (talk) 01:38, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

On initial inspection that looks like it will need to be pared back to a stub. Will hope to have time to contribute. Watchlisted. - Ryk72 ^'c.s.n.s.' 01:47, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Gilad Atzmon

Gilad Atzmon is a highly controversial figure, subject to tidal waves of abuse, and we are trying to rewrite that page according to WP:NPOV, which I take means also scrupulously documenting everything, even negative, said of him in WP:RS. Sources of this kind are abundant.

WP:BLP states

Never use self-published sources—including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and tweets—as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article.

Despite this unambiguous rule, some editors are insisting that a a blog on an activist antifascist advocacy website written by Nick Lowles can be used as a sources for Atzmon’s views, and wish to retain this article hosted on Hope not Hate, where the blogger is an executive. In defence of overriding WP:BLP's on blogs, WP:NEWSBLOG is cited. But Hope not Hate is not a newsblog.

The argument over this can be read on the talk page here. Third party independent input would be appreciated.Nishidani (talk) 12:33, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Reuben Greene

My father died on February 10, 2012, yet you continue the falsehood that he is alive. Also, the end of your article says he is teaching acting, but includes a reference to a totally different "Reuben Greene." Please remove your article or be prepared to face legal action.

Ruben Green, Jr. Philadelphia, PA16:31, 26 October 2017 (UTC)159.63.4.3 (talk)

Unfortunately, it is not all that uncommon for people to falsely or incorrectly claim that someone has died and change Wikipedia articles accordingly. Therefore Wikipedia tends to be careful about allowing such claims and generally expects some type of reliable source to verify the claim before it can become part of the Wikipedia article. For now, I have removed the statement about him currently teaching and removed the age from the box. The article should now be not making any claims either way about whether he is living or not. Also, I suggest you have a look at Wikipedia:No legal threats and withdraw the legal threat if you wish to continue editing on Wikipedia. Gnome de plume (talk) 16:50, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Firstly, don't try and sue the WMF, you'll just get blocked from editing permanently and the article will never be fixed. While this source is not great, it simply describes him as "sadly obscure", with no mention of "late" or "sadly missed" etc that you might expect to see. Even notoriously obscure people such as J. D. Salinger and Syd Barrett have full obituaries written about them, so to have a seemingly notable person vanish off the face of the earth completely is somewhat unprecedented. There must have been at least one local news report, surely. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:55, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

For what it's worth (not much, likely), searches for both Reuben Green and Reuben Greene fail in standard newspaper databases like Lexis-Nexis and Newspaper Source Plus and Proquest for any time after 2010 for this Reuben Green(e). There are some results that are obvious false positives (a teen from North Carolina accused of killing his father, a judge in Georgia, an Orthodox Jewish elder from Cleveland, etc.) but nothing that resembles an article likely about this person or the claims made on the article talk page. Similar searches in the Social Security Death Index for the 2010-2013 time period are also negative. As far as documentary evidence is available to me can demonstrate, Mr. Green(e) disappeared. That some-one involved in such a landmark production leaves so little evidence behind after a certain point is itself a tragedy. Unfortunately, that does not help the article. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:22, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

David Levy (chess player)

There is a new editor adding highly critical content to David Levy (chess player) which I feel is a serious BLP violation because of its poor sourcing, reliance on original research and primary document, rather than on reliable independent sources. Additional opinions are welcome. Gnome de plume (talk) 16:33, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Roy Moore

I'm concerned about the addition of BLP violations to Roy Moore, again. Ideally the article talk page will be sufficient for discussion. power~enwiki (π, ν) 16:42, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Mika Brzezinski

Mika Brzezinski

Footnote 24 (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/06/30/trump-kushner-never-blackmailed-scarborough-source-says.html) cites an unverified source. This news story, posted online by Fox News, has neither a named author nor a named source. Fox News' reporting consistently demonstrates conservative bias; for evidence of this claim, please see the Wikipedia page on the matter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_controversies). Unless Fox News can offer evidence that the claims made in this article are true, the article is inadmissible according to the policy on the Wikipedia page "Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons", under "reliable sources" and "challenged or likely to be challenged" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons).

Regardless of what news outlet reports this, there's no reason to refer to an unnamed source here. Donald Trump and Dylan Howard denied the claim. That should be mentioned instead. "A source familiar with the matter" could be just about anyone. Nblund ^talk 01:37, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Tom Steyer

Article is full of libelous and off-topic content. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:14d:8000:7644:fc6a:502b:ec2b:5b75 (talk) 23:21, October 26, 2017‎

Already fixed by Marquardtika Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:31, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

FYI, there is an ongoing vandalism issue happening at the Steyer page right now. I just filed a report at WP:AIV. Marquardtika (talk) 03:33, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Paul Erik blocked that address, although it would be good for us to keep an eye on since vandals can use different IP addresses. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:36, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a week. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:38, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Ravi_Shankar_(poet)

Noting a pattern of vandalism with respect to this page. There is a continual removal of sourced notable links about this figure and a suppression of positive information, and an insistence on negative information continually made by the same editor User:ScrapIronIV - the history of this page shows that this editor lacks neutrality and objectivity and seems intent on suppressing relevant information. I would suggest another Wiki editor look at this page to insure that the correct information remains and would also look at the aforementioned editor's editing privileges as he/she seems to have a personal vendetta against this subject.

SiphoB (talk) 04:41, 27 October 2017 (UTC) Tend to agree based on User:ScrapIronIV editing history. Seems to lack neutrality. I have just added some notable sourced information (Best American Poetry Blog and Connecticut Commission on Culture & Tourism Artist Fellowship). Let's see if these get vandalized or not.

Mark Halperin

Change was made to page of Mark Halperin immediately following his sexual misconduct allegations labeling him a "conservative author" instead of simply "author." This violates the biographies of living persons policy because the claim as to his political orientation is unsourced and controversial. The timing of this edit and lack of supporting evidence would appear to be politically motivated.

Fixed issue. Philip Cross (talk) 10:54, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Glenn R. Simpson

• Glenn R. Simpson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

"However the Republican donor soon dropped out of what Simpson and Fusion GPS were doing. The Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign for president picked up the deal with Fusion GPS and funded the remaining political assignation of Donald Trump before he was elected the 45th President of the United States"

There are so sources. This Fusion GPS ordeal is conspiratorial so keeping the pages as informative and perhaps unassuming seems important. Currently, the article does not source and does not seem to provide a verifiable, neutral point of view.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:547:901:6570:79dc:deea:ae1e:8a5e (talk) 14:52, 27 October 2017‎ (UTC)

Benjamin A. Kraus

This article is not worthy of a wikipedia article. It's just someone writing about them self.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_A._Kraus

I have to agree completely. The only reliable source, an article from Business Week, has absolutely nothing to do with the subject. Not only that, it does not even mention his name. The article is written like an ad (more for a company than the subject). It's basically "Subject works for this company, who does this that and the other thing. Previous to this he worked for... and prior to that he worked for." No real information of any substance. I recommend it for speedy deletion for no indication of importance. Zaereth (talk) 18:53, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

'cosmo jarvis' wiki page

Hello,

The information presented here on Cosmo Jarvis is not up to date and ignores many developments in recent years. Especially in '2010 to present' section - here there are many informations which are lacking or which, if included while others are not, creates an article which requires more detail and overall context to shed light on his recent works (especially as an actor in theatre, TV and FILM)

(see here) http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4008605/

His involvement with 'Hawke the movie' while correct information should not be featured at the expense of other, more notable, widely distributed and arguable more significant works.

I am suggesting the need for a revision/update on this page.