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I agree with the above post by [[Special:Contributions/71.112.34.243|71.112.34.243]] ([[User talk:71.112.34.243#top|talk]]). The source of this false report is very anti-Saudi; see [[WP:NPOV]]. [[User:John N Smith|John N Smith]] ([[User talk:John N Smith|talk]]) 10:48, 1 October 2017 (UTC) |
I agree with the above post by [[Special:Contributions/71.112.34.243|71.112.34.243]] ([[User talk:71.112.34.243#top|talk]]). The source of this false report is very anti-Saudi; see [[WP:NPOV]]. [[User:John N Smith|John N Smith]] ([[User talk:John N Smith|talk]]) 10:48, 1 October 2017 (UTC) |
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shouldn't we add the other positions he had before becomeing king in the info box the same think was done for his son |
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Majlis al-Uthra?
Shouldn't that be Majlis al-Usra? I can't find it in arabic anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:846:C000:61E5:0:0:0:E5C0 (talk) 03:18, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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This issue was resolved a while ago. (Mni9791 (talk) 19:18, 23 March 2011 (UTC))
Currently passed away?
"He is married to Princess Sultana who has currently passed away."
I hate to tell you, but she is not going to come back from being "passed away". Tad Lincoln (talk) 06:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Deletion of health subsection
His health status includes sourced content, but it was deleted twice and fixed. Please do not delete it without discussing here. Thanks.Egeymi (talk) 07:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
Today, 16 June 2012
Today I have learnt that Prince Salman has many pages in Wikipedia written in other languages. I wish such additions have been done long before Prince Nayef's death.Egeymi (talk) 15:05, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Infobox
Only the 'King' reigns, in Saudi Arabia. Therefore could somebody fix the infobox so that reign is replaced with tenure? GoodDay (talk) 22:23, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
Disputed
Is that picture of a real person or a waxwork? DrKay (talk) 10:12, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
- Photoshopped official photo? --RicHard-59 (talk) 00:16, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Date of succession
UTC says January 22, 2015, where's Saudi time says January 23, 2015. Which are we going by folks? GoodDay (talk) 05:28, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
- Wouldn't it make sense to use local time? I'm too sleepy to look myself, but I assume the WP:MOS has something for this. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 3 Shevat 5775 08:04, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Unification of name
Salman / Sulayman is intertwined in the article; I thought MOS somewhere say that it should not be the case? (I myself had to double-check when Sulayman came later in the article). Either that, or the name Sulayman should be more prominently mentioned (since the place it is introduced is right after the written Arabic name and inside parentheses). - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 19:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
- The english version is Salman, which is also used in his sons article titles. Let's stick with Salman, less we want 'red links'. GoodDay (talk) 20:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
- The Sulayamān isn't present in the Arabic name either. The character, ي, is required to form the diphthong present in the name Sulayamān: سليمان . Salman is سلمان. The Semitic root is the same, but they're different names. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 3 Shevat 5775 22:41, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Styles box inconsistency
The styles of King Salman box under King of Saudi Arabia pits his style as your majesty, but everything else says he is addressed as Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques instead of Your Majesty. Am I missing something or is this just an oversight where an editor might have thought the default Your Majesty is appropriate because he's a king? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 4 Shevat 5775 17:27, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
- It's unsourced, so I've removed it. DrKay (talk) 17:33, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
- Wouldn't it make more sense just to change it to the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques rather than removing it all-together? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 4 Shevat 5775 18:04, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
- I couldn't find anything about him being Custodian instead of Your Majesty at the source cited either, so I've also removed that. I imagine it's one of his subsidiary titles, like Elizabeth II is Supreme Governor of the Church of England, but people don't actually call her that as an alternative style or commonly. DrKay (talk) 18:11, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
- It's actually his primary title, but you're absolutely right that we need a source to find out if he's actually addressed that way. Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 5 Shevat 5775 18:23, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
- I couldn't find anything about him being Custodian instead of Your Majesty at the source cited either, so I've also removed that. I imagine it's one of his subsidiary titles, like Elizabeth II is Supreme Governor of the Church of England, but people don't actually call her that as an alternative style or commonly. DrKay (talk) 18:11, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
- Wouldn't it make more sense just to change it to the Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques rather than removing it all-together? Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie | Say Shalom! 4 Shevat 5775 18:04, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Yerevani Axjik (talk · contribs) 02:09, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
1. Well-written: ✗ Fail
- a. the prose is clear and concise, it respects copyright laws, and the spelling and grammar are correct; and
- b. it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
- Explanation
The text jumps here and there. It says he was deputy governor of Riyadh in 1954, and just a sentence later the article is talking about the year 1964 and him being governor of the province. It doesn't say much about his governorship, even though he held the office for 48 years. His foreign visits are actually less important. The article should of have focus more on his internal politics, as he was a governor, not a king or a foreign minister. The whole section about his governorship needs to be seriously expanded in order for this article to get the GA status.
The section about his early life is far worse. The article says almost nothing about his youth.
The section about Salman's position as deputy crown prince is, as it seems, a speculation. The article doesn't say who speculates, so what we have there is just a gossip. And again, the prose is hard to follow, as text jumps from a year to a year, so it looks more like a chronology rather then a biographical article.
The section about Salman being a crown prince is decent, though much more can be written, especially about his philanthropic activity, for example in Bosnia and Herzegovina (in 1990s, way before he become a crown prince, which article doesn't mention at all).
The section about his kingship is ok. Though, templates for references (such as "cite news" or "cite web") should be used. The Early reforms subsections is missing a reference for the last claim.
In sections about his "views" and personal life, Wikileaks shouldn't be used as a reference. The rest seems to be ok.
2. Verifiable with no original research ✗ Fail
- a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline
- b. all in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines; and
- c. it contains no original research
- Explanation
Sources such as Wikileaks aren't reliable. Also, the article was entirely writen based on news reports. Which would be ok, but much literature can be found that deals with Salman's biography. So better sources can be used.
3. Broad in its coverage: ✗ Fail
- a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic; and
- b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
- Explanation
The article failed to address the main aspects of Salman's biography. For example, nothing is mentioned about his controversial charity work in Bosnia and Herzegovina in the 1990s. Or, it doesn't really say much about important parts of his biography. For example, the article says: "He favored political and economic relationships with the West". The sentence doesn't really say much, like how did he favored political and economic relationship with the West, or where did these good relations with the west realised.
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each. ✓ Pass
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. ✓ Pass
6. Illustrated, if possible, by images ✓ Pass
- a. images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content; and
- b. images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
Overall: ✗ Fail
--Yerevani Axjik (talk) 02:09, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
Neutral wording for the 47 executions
"Among the most notable events during his reign so far have been... and the execution of Nimr al-Nimr and 46 others opponents of the regime on 2 January 2016." The 47 executions were carried upon charges of terrorism. The majority of the 47 people were al-Qaeda members, not just "opponents of the regime." The main identifier of the 47 people is the terrorism charge. I suggest rephrasing the sentence above so that it reflects this nature of the executions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by O. Albaity (talk • contribs) 20:50, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
30s ?
this picture says "salman in his 30s", but he born in 1935 ? how does than can be true ?
'Panama Papers revelations' fabrication
The 'Panama Papers revelations' section of this article claims King Salman gave $80,000,000 to finance Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu's election campaign. This was confirmed to have been fabricated (as seen in citation 53), yet it remains in this article. For the sake of accuracy this needs to be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.216.91.210 (talk) 18:21, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
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Can we link where it says Sultan in the infobox to Sultan bin Salman Al Saud 62.64.152.154 (talk) 20:12, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- Done. DrKay (talk) 20:45, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Others sons of his that have articles include Fahd bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, Faisal bin Salman bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, and Turki bin Salman Al Saud. Can we link those in the infobox too? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:300:C930:D5DC:3BE7:A24E:AE51 (talk) 19:36, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
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Apparently the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia is considered the heir apparent. Can you change the header for heirs in the info box from "heir presumptive" to "heir apparent"?
50.205.119.111 (talk) 17:33, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
- Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 17:36, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
The article on heirs apparent listed the Saudi Arabian Crown Prince as a heir apparent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:300:C930:2C2E:C97D:2562:F1D2 (talk) 01:09, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
These articles refer to the Crown Prince as heir apparent. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/saudiarabia/9339369/Prince-Salman-appointed-Saudi-Arabia-heir-apparent.html.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/saudi-arabias-king-salman-replaces-crown-prince-foreign-minister-1430278377 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:300:C930:2C2E:C97D:2562:F1D2 (talk) 01:12, 7 July 2016 (UTC)
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Assassination plot
Malaysia on Tuesday said suspected militants from Yemen arrested late last month ahead of a visit by Saudi King Salman were planning an attack on "Arab royalties".
Reuters:Malaysia says foiled attack on Arab royalty ahead of Saudi king's visit
Financial Times:Malaysia says it foiled attack on Saudi king in Kuala Lumpur — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qrmoo3 (talk • contribs) 10:37, 7 March 2017 (UTC)
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Ahrar Al-Sham in Al-Qaeda section
why is Ahrar Al-Sham in Al-Qaeda section,when most western analytics say that Ahrar Al-Sham is turkish influenced and not a part of Al-Qaeda.Alhanuty (talk) 21:46, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Sons and daughters.
12 sons and 1 daughter? --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii 22:13, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Sidoroff-B: Any references? Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 18:22, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Emir of Wikipedia: I mean, that's what I counted on the page. --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii 18:25, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
- @Sidoroff-B: That seems to match Datarabia. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 09:33, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
- @Emir of Wikipedia: I mean, that's what I counted on the page. --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii 18:25, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
Controversy Section Neutrality
This entire section is based on one citation, from a source that seems to be a non-neutral POV. The source gives few sources to its claims and has published biased or downright false articles about the royal family and Saudi government. Is this section necessary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.34.243 (talk) 23:09, 26 September 2017
I agree with the above post by 71.112.34.243 (talk). The source of this false report is very anti-Saudi; see WP:NPOV. John N Smith (talk) 10:48, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Other positions
shouldn't we add the other positions he had before becomeing king in the info box the same think was done for his son
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