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November 29

Recent Edit to Oran Wendle Eagleson's Page

Oran Wendle Eagleson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hello, my name is Natalie. I recently made a lot of changes to black psychologist, Oran Wendle Eagleson's page, however, upon checking the page a few hours later, I found that it had been reverted back to a previous version by user Majora. I am not sure why exactly why this occurred, as all my additions were cited or else wording edits, and I am wondering if there is a way that any (if not all) of my additions could be salvaged, as I truly believe that they enhance Eagleson's page and give a fuller picture of his life and contributions. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.92.4 (talk) 00:02, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Majora (talk · contribs) explained in their edit summary that your edits were reverted because they had a bad case of "promotional language issues" and language so closely paraphrased from https://honorsandawards.iu.edu as to constitute plagiarism. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:20, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Natalie. This is a normal part of Wikipedia operation: if somebody reverts your edit, your principal choices are to let it go, or to attempt to engage the other party in a discussion on the article's talk page. Majora's opinion is that the edits you made were not in neutral language, and that they may have been a copyright violation. If you think your additions were worth including (as you clearly do), it is up to you to get wording that Majora, and anybody else who joins the discussion, agree with.(Of course, you may feel that Majora's judgments were wrong, and try to convince them or others of that. But I observe that calling somebody a "pioneer" is not a neutral term, and should never be done in Wikipedia's voice. Please read about the Bold, revert, discuss cycle, and about neutral point of view. --ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Question about Cristina Vee

Why shouldn't there be a category for her being of Mexican descent? Salma Hayek as a category being of Mexican descent. 2001:569:7671:F100:6806:57DC:A814:F459 (talk) 00:22, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

You have to get the category's name right. In this case, that would be Category:American actresses of Mexican descent. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:31, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@2001:569:7671:F100:6806:57DC:A814:F459: I have added the Category for you. SA 13 Bro (talk) 00:37, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

You need to take account of WP:CATDEF, as mentioned in the related thread #I need help with 2 articles please answer as soon as possible above. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:40, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Oh, thanks for your head up, I didn't noticed that is a related thread issue at above. SA 13 Bro (talk) 00:50, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Christina's ethnicity in the categories not listed and its not fair. Why should that happen for other latino actors and her? 2001:569:7671:F100:6806:57DC:A814:F459 (talk) 01:44, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Have you read WP:CATDEF? If you have questions regarding a specific article the place for discussion is the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 01:56, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

This is one of those cases where her ethnicity isn't prominently listed in the news articles describing her, and the only source was from an AMA session where she replies that she is of Mexican, Native American, and Lebanese ancestry. Should this mean she should be categorized in those three ethnicities? Should actors and people in general who mention their ethnicity like they're a quarter of this and an eighth of that be categorized as such? It's different from Hayek's article where "Mexican-born" and "born in Mexico" is shown on multiple news articles. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:05, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Donating

Hi,

I would like to know why I should donate to Wikipedia after my official articles are rejected for silly reasons. I recently submitted a page for my official social issues based social network (which is supported by the BBC and many others) and it was rejected because I provided 1 article from a newspaper you didn't support.

I would happily donate if your admins/editors would show your support for a Community Organisation.

- Jamie — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.3.182.124 (talk) 02:22, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jamie, without commenting on your quid pro quo assessment, which draft/article might you be referring to? Thanks. Lourdes 03:37, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

The only draft edited by this IP (and other editors to that draft) is / was Draft:Travis Simpkins, but that is not about a social network. It was however, rejected as The Sun (UK) and IMDb are not held to be reliable. Donating is entirely voluntary and a personal decision. Eagleash (talk) 10:01, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

• While I could not find any specific Wikipedia policy page, I am sure you could fully understand that arrangements to the effect of giving an expedited/lenient review to those who pay for it would probably be to the detriment of our objective to write from a neutral point of view. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 18:26, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jamie. I don't know whether or why you should donate: I don't know whether or why anybody should. I know why I donate: partly because I think it is a valuable resource and I want it to continue to be; at least as much because it is a model of a non-commercial collaborative project, and I wish there were more of these with anything like the reach of Wikipedia.

I strongly support the rules which limit the ability of people to promote themselves or their enterprises (commercial or not) - my preference would be to ban paid editing entirely, but the consensus is to permit it under stringent control. I believe that information which is not cited to a published source is almost completely useless (because anybody can come along and accidentally or maliciously change it, and if there is no source, it is impossible to verify it); and that information that is cited to an unreliable source is worse than useless, because even if you check it you've no way of knowing that it has not been made up, mistranscribed, or dishonestly altered. (Not all information even in reliable sources is accurate, it is true, but it's much more likely to be so in a source with a reputation for fact-checking and editorial control). Therefore, unless there is substantial information about a subject in reliable published sources (and for some of the information, it needs to be sources independent of the subject) there is literally nothing that can usefully go in an article. That, in my view is why we insist on the unfortunately-named quality of notability.

This has been my personal view, but I think that many people here agree with me. Wikipedia runs on consensus, and like anybody else, you are free to try and change the consensus on almost any of Wikipedia's policies (WP:VP is the place to discuss doing so). --ColinFine (talk) 23:29, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

An academic question

Dear Sir/Madame,

My name is Fabio Fantuzzi and I am a doctoral candidate at Università degli Studi Roma Tre, Rome. I am carrying out a research project on the painter and teacher Norman Raeben, one of the sons of Sholem Aleichem, and on his influence on his art students.

As I found that at that several pages of Ashcan School's painters (i.e. those of John Sloan, Robert Henri and others) mention Raeben among their famous students, I wonder if I can have the contact of the person that edited those page to ask him if he has some information about him.

I thank you in advance for any help and assistance you may give me.

I look forward to hearing from you.

With all best wishes,

Fabio Fantuzzi Dottorando in "Lingue e Letterature Anglo-Americane" Dipartimento di Lingue, Letterature e Culture Straniere Università degli Studi Roma Tre — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabio Fantuzzi (talk • contribs) 03:49, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello Fabio Fantuzzi, Wikipedia pages are edited by lots of people, so it is difficult to attribute the writing of an article to any one editor. However, by viewing the edit history of an article (click the view history tab), you can find editors who have started or improved the article substantially. Many of the articles have been created many years ago, so the page creators may not be active on Wikipedia, but you can still try. You can contact them by leaving a message on their talk page, or emailing them (click email this user while on their user page), if the option is available. Darylgolden^(talk) Ping when replying 03:59, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

• Hello Fabio Fantuzzi. That detail seems to have been added to the biography of John French Sloan by Ewulp on April 1, 2008. LINK. They are still active at WP. Carrite (talk) 12:22, 30 November 2017 (UTC)
• The detail seems to have been added to the biography of Robert Henri by Arno Matthias on Jan. 6, 2007. This also seems to be an individual still active at Wikipedia, although more sporadically so. LINK

Neither of these facts are properly sourced by 2017 standards of the encyclopedia, so any work done to verify and footnote that information would be appreciated. Carrite (talk) 12:38, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

• Hello Fabio Fantuzzi. The name of Norman Raeben is not familiar to me, so I checked the edit history of John French Sloan and found that his name was added in this edit LINK by Arno Matthias on January 6, 2007. My edit only moved it to a different position, and I'm afraid I don't have any knowledge of this artist. Ewulp (talk) 01:08, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

If the edit was from 2007, probably was a relic of WP:OR or copy from unreliable source, that was not removed due to low edit activity of the page. And it would be a circular referencing to use wikipedia as source. If you can't find any academic paper or book that was WP:reliable source (that outside the world of wikipedia) to prove the statement, they were probably not true at all. Matthew_hk tc 02:55, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Editor making mass changes to EL sections

The editor [1] is making masses of changes to External Links in a very large number of pages. The timings indicate that they are spending very little time (typically less than 30 seconds) pruning the EL sections. Now I know that the EL section is one that is prone to abuse, and prone to spamming. But they seem to be removing all but the one main "official site". Any other links are just cut. No attempt is being made to incorporate the links into the body.

As an example, the edits to AsciiDoc at [2] removed all three non-official site external links. One link was broken, but I would consider two of the three to be useful, relevant, non-spammy additions to the page.

My reversal of one of their edits[3] was thanked by another user, but reverted by Stesmo.[4] In this case, they were to the same official site, but added useful commentary and easy navigation to an important part of that site. Their justification was that it violated WP:ELPOINTS 4, but that is a guideline, not a rule, and there is still justification for keeping those links.

My fear is that they are removing large amounts of useful content from wikipedia with very little thought. The rate of their changes indicates they cannot be effectively reviewing their edits, and requires a large amount

Is this acceptable behaviour? Is their any way to slow them down so their edits can be effectively reviewed?

Thanks for your help.

peterl (talk) 11:57, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm with Stesmo. If the official site links in turn to those other three sites, that's fine, readers can find them that way. And if it doesn't link to them, then why should we? Maproom (talk) 12:03, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Edits look good to me. Jauerback^dude?/_dude. 14:53, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

editing Harris Search Associates wikipage

Good morning. Harris Search Associates wiki page was deleted - it was listed under executive search firms. The fellow who developed it believed he had been careful to have it properly documented - can it be revisited? — Preceding unsigned comment added by JeffreyGHarris (talk • contribs) 12:33, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@JeffreyGHarris: Hello, if you (or any user) represent or work for the organization you mention, you/they need to review the conflict of interest policy at WP:COI and if you are employed by this organization, the paid editing policy at WP:PAID. The latter is required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use for paid editors(if you are paid). I can't see the content of the page to know what was wrong with it(though an administrator can) but it was speedy deleted as promotional. This could be if it was actively promoting the sale of a product or service, or merely telling the world about the company(even if not selling something). All articles on Wikipedia must indicate with independent reliable sources, that is, sources written by third parties not associated with the company, how it meets the notability guidelines at WP:ORG. Not every company merits an article here, even within the same field. 331dot (talk)

JeffreyGHarris. I also cannot see the deleted page (I am not an administrator). But in addition to the points made by 331dot, please understand that any Wikipedia article about Harris Search Associates would not be owned by or controlled by Harris Search Associates, should not be directly edited by them, and should be based almost completely on what people who had no connection with them had published about them in reliable places. Many people have the mistaken idea that Wikipedia can or should be part of their marketing strategy or their online presence. It cannot and should not. --ColinFine (talk) 23:34, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Sandbox

My sandbox does not have the edit option. How do I fix this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nastaranalqaddoumi (talk • contribs) 12:36, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

The edit link is above near Read and View history links. Ruslik_Zero 18:14, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

How do I add a date and month of birth?

Merle Lawrence states the year of birth. How can I add day and month on this site? Merle Lawrence — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rumours54 (talk • contribs) 15:06, 29 November 2017 (UTC)}

Dear Rumours54, to edit the page, click the "edit this page" tab at the top of Merle Lawrence. You can click the "edit this page" tab on any other Wikipedia page to learn how other pages have added the date and month of birth. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 16:59, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Rumours54 and Taketa: Notice however, that per our policy of privacy of personal information inside articles, we should not state the day/month of birth in articles of living or recently deceased (emphasis added) persons. "Recently deceased" is voluntarily a sloppy standard because it usually applies to controversial figures (for instance, when a high-profile politician dies, smearing rumors from political opponents continue to circulate and should not be referenced without good sourcing), so I think in that particular case it does not apply, but this should have been mentioned by Taketa in their answer. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 18:17, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Tigraan: - WP:BDP, the person is confirmed death by the reliable sources on the bottom of the page. "Anyone born within the past 115 years is covered by this policy unless a reliable source has confirmed their death. The only exception would be for people who have recently died. I do not consider 10 years recent, though this is open to discussion. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 18:41, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@Taketa: I agree with your assessment; actually, the "recently deceased" stuff got me carried away a bit. The main point is that (IMO) you should have mentioned the BLPPRIVACY policy even if it does not apply. It is not a stretch to assume that if you tell someone to add the date of birth for person X, they will want to add it for person Y, so you should as well say what the rules are even if they do not apply to X. (But maybe we can take this to one of our talk pages if you want to discuss it further?) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 18:47, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Edit count

Hello, I was trying to retrieve the edit xount for Special:Contributions/InternetArchiveBot but the corresponding page cannot be loaded. Is there a general problem with edit count?--Herfrid (talk) 16:21, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Hey Herfrid. Seems to partially work for me. Although it looks like the edit counter can't handle an account with more than 350k edits, and this bot has almost two million. GMG^talk 16:26, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm afraid you're right! Maybe I just wasn't patient enough... Thank you anyway.--Herfrid (talk) 16:31, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Dear Herfrid, maybe Central Auth can help you quickly get some basic numbers. All the best, Taketa (talk) 17:00, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes, thank you very much!--Herfrid (talk) 17:03, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Is there a place where I can ask for a source to be translated?

Specifically [5]. I can read a little Spanish but for El Tatio I need to have it almost entirely translated and that is beyond my knowledge of Spanish. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:26, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

[6] as well. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:48, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Dear Jo-Jo Eumerus, perhaps you can ask one of the people here. - Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 16:55, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Dear Jo-Jo Eumerus

I am fluent in Spanish and have done translation work in the past. I would be willing to translate the journal article [7]. I have had a quick read and it seems relatively straight forward. Are you able to send me the text that you have translated so far, and I should be able to fill in the blanks? Translating a journal article is a big job, and it may take a week or two to complete the task. Due to other commitments, I would not be able to start on it until next week. The second article appears to be an abstract only and already has an English translation. Therefore the second article does not appear to need a translation. BronHiggs (talk) 20:56, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@BronHiggs: To be honest I didn't attempt any translation myself; I can only read Academic Journal Spanish. The other article has a Spanish full text here. I don't have a deadline, fer sure. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 21:03, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Dear Jo-Jo Eumerus I am prepared to translate the first article on a volunteer basis. But it is very labour intensive because of its length and the amount of technical language. I do not feel that I can translate two academic journal articles in quick succession. Perhaps you might like to shop around for a different translator for the second article? I will get started on it next week and post the translation on your talk page when it is completed. BronHiggs (talk) 23:22, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

@BronHiggs: Sure, I'll look for a different solution on the second article. Incidentally, I am not sure if it should be posted on the wiki; the SciElo article is under a noncommercial license and thus not compatible with our copyright licenses. Would email work? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:37, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Reversing a page move

How do I undo a page move, to restore the previous title? Thanks. Loraof (talk) 18:23, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

• Wikipedia:Moving_a_page#Undoing_a_move seems to say you can just re-move the other way even without admin rights. If you actually need an admin to delete the redirected original page first, WP:G6 applies (assuming the move is uncontroversial, but if it is not, you should not want to move unilaterally in the first place). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 18:30, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Push pin maps

Resolved

So looking at Big South Fork of the Cumberland River, apparently to get a pushpin map, somehow Template:Infobox river works with Template:Location map works with Template:Location map USA Tennessee works with | source1_coordinates={{Coord|36.424302|-84.623516|display=inline}} in order to make magic happen. But... I got no magic. I'm not technically gifted. GMG^talk 22:51, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

regarding the header to your current fund-raising drive

>> WIKIPEDIA communicated thusly: "We ask you, humbly, to help."

>> By way of asserting humility, ye provest thyself proud. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.244.82.164 (talk) 23:00, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

>> Thank you. Lourdes 03:58, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

I completely and utterly fail to understand your reasoning. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:43, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

November 30

Just created a page. Did I do it right?

No clue what I am doing. Our African Grey Petra just went viral on Youtube learinig to control the lights with Alexa. She's been all over the world on TV. If I didn't do it right, can someone help me? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PetraGrey (talk • contribs) 01:16, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi PetraGrey Unfortuanly you have got wrong what Wikipedia is for. It is not a webhost and articles shouldn't be created on a user page. As for the article, I'm not sure it would meet notability requirements to have an article on Wikipedia. NZFC^(talk) 01:27, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi PetraGrey. I've moved the page to User:PetraGrey/Petra Grey and marked it as a draft. There are links to instructions that can help you at the top of the page. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 01:50, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Name of page linking to incorrect picture from similarly named page (KOB page showing picture of kob, an antelope in Africa)

Hi, hope you can help me. Our tv station's page KOB is showing a pic (rather undignified one at that) of some kobs in Africa. How can we change this? Since our formal name is KOB 4 , would adding the 4 in our page name help? If yes, how do we do that? Thank you for helping !!!

NMpeacock (talk) 01:33, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. NZFC^(talk) 01:42, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@NMpeacock: You should also read WP:COI if you wish to edit the page KOB. On another note it would not be 'your' companies page, but Wikipedia's page about them which is constructed around what has been written about the company in independent reliable sources. NZFC^(talk) 01:48, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

The undignified picture used by Google is not one currently used in Wikipedia's article kob. Maybe Google found it somewhere else? Maproom (talk) 15:50, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Random Character Usernames

Lately I have been seeing several usernames with seemingly random strings of numbers and letters, in blocks of 4, separated by colons. (Examples: user:2604:2000:E016:A700:E067:330B:890A:138, User:2601:CF:8101:327:3C0C:73D0:5CFA:D1BD, User:2600:1:9507:C18A:18CF:FDF8:43A3:AA4F). Where are these coming from? They seem new to me. MarginalCost (talk) 02:14, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Those are IP addresses. They are editors who are contributing without creating an account or logging in if they have one. (See IPv6 address &/or IP address#IPv6 addresses). Eagleash (talk) 02:37, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

I want to make a donation to wikipedia but I don't want to use my credit card. I would really like to contact by telephone and ask questions.

I would like to donate to Wikipedia but do not want to use my credit card.

This page shows different ways to give, such as by check or wire transfer or bitcoins or several other methods that don't use a credit card: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Ways_to_Give RudolfRed (talk) 02:49, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Also, I don't know of any phone number, but you can e-mail donate@wikimedia.org if you have questions. RudolfRed (talk) 02:51, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

May be buy game from humble bundle and switch to donate all to wikimedia? But it still disclose either paypal, amazon payment method, but at least (i believe), humble bundle would not send payment detail to wikimedia. Matthew_hk tc 02:48, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

2018 NCAA Division I Indepedents football page

Can you move the 2018 NCAA Division I football Independents page from the talk page to the Draft page please. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 04:46, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

• I'm not sure which page you are talking about. There is NCAA Division I Football Championship. There is also 2018 NCAA Division I FBS football season, which attempts to use a non-existent template {{2018 Division I FBS independents football records}} - are you referring to one of these? Please spell out precisely which page you mean, so we can help. --Gronk Oz (talk) 07:29, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

This IP has been told on countless occasions not to create drafts on a talk page, most recently at #2018 Pac-12 Football standings above. The most recent page moved from talk to draft (Draft:2018 Pac–12 football standings) was then blanked by the IP, but it is not clear whether he intended this as a G7 deletion request. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:04, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

It might also be argued that the unsourced 2018 NCAA Division I FBS football season, calling numerous non-existent templates including the one referred to, is TOOSOON. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:10, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

EN Standard Inclusion i.e., EN 14175 Standard

Hello,

This is Yuvakanth, I'm a Manager for a firm called Simfa Scientific who deals with Biotechnology and Pharmaceutical Company requirement for new lab or facility setups. Our brands are Mott Manufacturing, Canada & Laborbau Systeme Hemling GmbH, Germany.

With respect to the brands above which I mentioned there are few standards that our products are certified with. About which there is no data under List of EN Standard page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_EN_standards ; With respect to that, I request to please post data about EN 14175 which is a standard for Fume Hood(Fume Cupboard) Testing or Validation. I do have few articles and presentations from the internet, however, I think I'm not qualified for posting them in Wiki right away as we need to do some filtration out of them. Kindly let me know how to proceed with this to include the data in Wiki.

Thank you,

Regards, KLN Yuvakanth — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yuvakanthkln (talk • contribs)

Hello, Yuvakanth. Since Wikipedia is an entirely volunteer project, there is no effective way to get people to create the particular articles you want. You are welcome to post a request at Requested articles, but the truth is that that list is so long that it is not likely that anybody will pick your request up. I thought there might be a WikiProject about international standards, where you might find somebody interested in working on that; but there doesn't seem to be one. If you have already got some information about the subject, you might be the best person to create an article! However, it is true that it is not easy to create a Wikipedia article, so I understand why you may be reluctant to do so. However, if you wish to try, please have a look at your first article. There is no deadline for Wikipedia - you can create an draft and work on it a a speed that is convenient to you, and eventually submit it for review by more experienced editors. If you are looking for somebody to create an aricle quickly that you can use for research, I'm afraid that that will not happen. --ColinFine (talk) 12:43, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Error {Placeholder error message}.

I found error in this template Template:Get refs --Hayate891 (talk) 09:09, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@Hayate891: I have made an edit request. (For future reference you can do this by clicking 'view source' and then there's a button to make the request.) Thanks for pointing this out. Eagleash (talk) 09:25, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Wow thanks :). --Hayate891 (talk) 11:08, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)  Fixed The edit has been made (by an Admin. or t/plate editor) to remove the 'stray text'. Eagleash (talk) 11:10, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

2018 Pac-12 Football standings

Can you move the Pac-12 Football standings from the draft page to the main article space please and make the articles turn from Blue to red. 68.102.39.189 (talk) 15:38, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

You blanked the draft (Draft:2018 Pac–12 football standings), so obviously it can't be published as an article. Even before you blanked it, the draft was unsourced, and you hadn't submitted the draft for review; apparently too soon for such an article. As you were the only contributor to the draft and you blanked it, this would normally be taken as your request for the page to be deleted under criterion G7. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:33, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Biz Television

I am trying to update this page and keep getting errors. I need help. I have tried to do what has been asked so far but there is so much confusion and frustration on my end. I need someone to help me get through these pages and stop sending me here and there to read. I have been reading all of it each time and it still is not making sense to me. I need a person to help me.

I see that today, some blatant advertising, some copyright material, and some "references" which were nowhere cited have been removed from the article. But it's still well below the standards Wikipedia expects: it does nothing to establish that its subject is notable, and is therefore at risk of being deleted. You don't say which edits you made, or what you were trying to do, so it's difficult to know how to help you. Maproom (talk) 17:51, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

How to get an article about our company to show on WIKI?

Hi,

I would like to know how can I publish an article about our company on wiki?

Best, Jasmine — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.106.215.6 (talk) 18:21, 30 November 2017‎ (UTC)

The short answer is "you don't". Hopefully, your company will attain sufficient notability that some volunteer editor will decide to create an article based on reliable sources independent of the subject. Somebody will presumably provide relevant links for you to review (below). Good luck! ;) 2606:A000:4C0C:E200:64E6:D15B:14E5:3BCB (talk) 19:19, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

The relevant links are notability, conflict of interest, and paid editing. The important thing to remember is that this is an encyclopedia and not a business directory. If you still want to move forward, read your first article and use the article wizard there to create a draft for review. RudolfRed (talk) 19:42, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Godless (TV Series)

Hello,

On the Godless TV Series page under creators (the box on the far right) can you remove Steven Soderbergh as a creator and only list Scott Frank? (Steven Soderbergh is not a creator).

Created by Scott Frank

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godless_(TV_series)

Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5516154/

GL6255 (talk) 19:13, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

GL6255 (talk) 19:22, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@GL6255: The best place to discuss this is on the article's talk page. IMDb is not considered a reliable source for this kind of information and "the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" (meaning just because he is not included in credits on IMDb doesn't necessarily mean he should not be). The Steven Soderbergh article includes Godless as a credit; however, this is not sourced. Perhaps the Entertainment reference desk would be able to find source(s) for this. —2606:A000:4C0C:E200:64E6:D15B:14E5:3BCB (talk) 19:36, 30 November 2017 (UTC) (Modified: 20:06, 30 November 2017 (UTC))

Thank you for the above! The info of removing Steven is from the network. Is this possible to update?

Scott Frank is the creator/EP/Writer/Director (Steven is not the creator, but an EP, along with Scott and Casey Silver too).

Here is an article from Variety stating: "Godless, a new seven-part original limited series from creator Steven Soderbergh, will premiere on Netflix Nov. 22" (emphasis mine) -- has something changed since then?

• Nyren, Erin (23 August 2017). "Steven Soderbergh's 'Godless' Gets Premiere Date, First-Look Images at Netflix". Variety. Retrieved 30 November 2017.

—2606:A000:4C0C:E200:64E6:D15B:14E5:3BCB (talk) 19:52, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Correct, Steven is just an EP. Scott Frank is the sole creator.

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/godless-netflix-jeff-daniels-michelle-dockery-scott-frank-1202617026/

Article from November 16, 2017.

Can we update the page?

Thank you!

GL6255 (talk) 20:06, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the source! I'll correct the information later today.—2606:A000:4C0C:E200:64E6:D15B:14E5:3BCB (talk) 20:28, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

 Done 21:08, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you! Could you make the above edit directly on the Godless TV Series page?

GL6255 (talk) 21:13, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello,

On the Godless TV Series Page, why is Jeff Daniels listed last? He is billed third behind Jack O'Connell and Michelle Dockery.

SOURCE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMUiRYoc76A

Any way you can update this?

Thank you!

GL6255 (talk) 21:40, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

I don't know what WP protocol is for credit listing order. The "encyclopedic" method might be alpha-sort (?). You can change it if you want; my firewall restricts YouTube. —2606:A000:4C0C:E200:64E6:D15B:14E5:3BCB (talk) 22:16, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

HELP. I was trying to add a statement on the "GcMAF" page and made a mistake. It will not let me correct my mistake. I need you help. Please restore the page to its original appearance before I attempted to update it. Thanks. My ID is PageMaster. I will go back later and try again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PageMaster (talk • contribs) 22:05, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Meghan Markle

The warning tag at the top of the Ancestry section of this page should now be removed we believe; all citations are now verified and authentic and the presentation is neutral. Thankyou in advance49.188.128.253 (talk) 22:09, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

• Note The following merged from duplicate section. Eagleash (talk) 12:26, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

There is nothing controversial at all in the ancestral section on this page. All citations are very well founded. No issues at all. Please remove warning tag. Thank you2001:8003:4FE9:1B00:7418:F491:EF9A:E098 (talk) 12:12, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

If you feel that the issues have been addressed, then you are at liberty to remove the tag, stating your reasons in the edit summary. If the other editor disagrees and restores it, then discuss it with them at the article talk page. This is a content matter and is not really what the HD is for. Also, as has been mentioned before, please don't start multiple sections on the same topic. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 12:26, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Help:Cite errors/Cite error included ref

I think I fixed the unclosed reference problem on the "GcMAF"page. I restored the original page before my update. I will try again another day. Sorry for the mistake, I'm still learning.....PageMaster — Preceding unsigned comment added by PageMaster (talk • contribs) 23:12, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Simple error. You had terminated a ref with <ref> instead of </ref>, see this correction. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:25, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

@PageMaster: David Biddulph had beaten me, I am actually tried to fix the citations. SA 13 Bro (talk) 23:41, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

December 1

Godless (TV Series)

Hello,

Anyway you can add Jeff Daniels up to the third cast member listed on the Godless TV Series page?

In the below trailer Deadline posted, he is billed third after Jack O'Connell and Michelle Dockery.

SOURCE: http://deadline.com/2017/11/michelle-dockery-godless-new-trailer-steven-soderbergh-jeff-daniels-jack-oconnell-netflix-video-1202207894/

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GL6255 (talk • contribs) 01:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Florence Henderson Correction

Her year of death is 2017 not 2016 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.40.123.198 (talk) 03:03, 1 December 2017‎ (UTC)

2016, per Chicago Tribune: "Florence Henderson, beloved mom on 'The Brady Bunch,' dies at 82". chicagotribune.com. November 25, 2016. —2606:A000:4C0C:E200:64E6:D15B:14E5:3BCB (talk) 03:41, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

How to publish my page

I have completed my document in Sandbox. How do I now make it public.

Appreciate quick revert. Many thanks. Joseph — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joseph.india (talk • contribs) 05:45, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

• Note Page was started in an IP sandbox and has subsequently been deleted as promotional. Eagleash (talk) 12:37, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Are ancient historians primary or secondary source?

I have been wondering whether ancient historians, like Thucydides or Plutarch could be considered as reliable secondary sources and hence rely on them to edit an article. As I understand, these are not self edited (but I am not really certain, we don't know how the publishing industry worked then!), they seem more or less independent (even though there was a little pro-Athenian bias of Thucydides) and these historians were not witnessing the events they describe at there work. But considering them as secondary sources, seems awkward. Is there a formal policy or guidance of wikipedia relevant to this question? Τζερόνυμο (talk) 06:53, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

While I can´t find chapter and verse on this, on WP they pretty much regarded as primary sources. In context, you can perhaps say "Plutarch states..." or whatever, but any interpretation should be from secondary sources. Here is a discussion on the historian Josephus: Talk:The_Exodus/Archive_16#Josephus Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:14, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I would never ever cite an ancient historian on Wikipedia. Any worthwhile things they might have said have been repeated with critical commentary by modern historians, so cite them instead. In a strict sense, I don't think ancient historians are even WP:RS: they didn't adhere to the academic standards that modern historians do. Who peer-reviewed Plutarch? Did Thucydides' use Turnitin? They are certainly not known for "fact-checking and accuracy" in the modern sense. They obviously don't represent the most up to date research either. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:19, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

According to the eccentric wording of our policy they should be treated as secondary, unless they were involved in the events they recount, but it is best to ignore that & treat them as primary, as others have said. Johnbod (talk) 02:23, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

How to create a page

I want to create one page about information so can you please help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Umakant Pattanayak (talk • contribs) 08:05, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi, please take a look at Wikipedia:Your first article. This should explain all you need to know. Thanks. Kosack (talk) 08:10, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Image of Thomas L. Jenninngs

the image of Thomas L. Jenninngs in the list of American inventors is incorrect. Do all black people look the same? This is inacceptable that you think you can place a picture of a National Hero of Jamaica, Paul Bogle, while refferencing a number of prominent black people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.41.196.89 (talk) 10:03, 1 December 2017‎ (UTC)

There is no image in the article on Thomas L. Jennings. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:06, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Are you by any chance referring to a photo or text shown to the right of a Google search? Google's Knowledge Graph uses a wide variety of sources. There may be a text paragraph ending with "Wikipedia" to indicate that particular text was copied from Wikipedia. An image and other text before or after the Wikipedia excerpt may be from sources completely unrelated to Wikipedia. We have no control over how Google presents our information, but Google's Knowledge Graph has a "Feedback" link where anyone can mark a field as wrong. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:09, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This could be another example where Google cobble together search results and image results here with the implication that it comes from Wikipedia. However, there seems some controversy over the image, as seen in this article. Eagleash (talk) 10:19, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Archiving bot

I added 5 archived refs here, but a bot reformatted it like this. Is this the way it should be formatted ? I only received a short URL when archived in Archive.is. Let There Be Sunshine (talk) 11:36, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

It's described in User:GreenC/WaybackMedic 2.1 as item 21 'convert short to long format' with a link to a usage page that says long is preferred. You could ask User Talk:GreenC for an explanation. RJFJR (talk) 14:58, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

You can retrieved the original url from archive.is, and to me, why replace wayback machine to archive.is? archive.is stole/re-archived some of the content of wayback machine (aka archive.org). Matthew_hk tc 02:43, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

Donation pop ups appear after donating!

Hello - i donated and yet the donation pop ups keep coming up. How do i get those pop ups to stop? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:a080:26d0:d194:193e:5949:4948 (talk) 13:14, 1 December 2017‎ (UTC)

One thing you can do, though it may not be what you want, is to create a user account and then you can set a preference to not display fundraising messages. There are additional advantages to using an account (like not displaying your IP address). If you do this, the option is under gadgets in the preferences. RJFJR (talk) 15:03, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

The Wikipedia software has no way of knowing that a random IP address is being used by someone who donated. The above is your only edit using that address, but I guess that you have contributed to other pages using other addresses. See WP:Why create an account? . Dbfirs 17:24, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I posted a related query here: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Why_the_donations_banner_doesn't_automatically_disappear--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:27, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Historic Route 40 Etna Township Licking County Ohio 43018

Hello everybody I am celebrating my first year of editing on this fantastic website I use voice recognition because I am hearing and Visually Impaired. I was wondering if anybody out there would know how to correct all of the errors on historic Route 40 in Etna Township Licking County Ohio 43018. I literally have been trying to correct this for the past 17 years because of the sync data used to navigate vehicles from One browser container and point to another. [🇺🇸 COACH Z | #USNavy ⚓] 21:24, 30 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by COACH ZARLINO (talk • contribs) Note: I have moved this query here as it was originally posted in mainspace Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:22, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Could you tell us what the exact article title is? Thank you. RJFJR (talk) 15:11, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

At a guess I would say it's a request to add missing historical information in U.S. Route 40. Paging Rschen7754. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:38, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

But then they mention sync data and navigating vehicles. I cannot understand what they are trying to do. --Rschen7754 19:32, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Naming conventions for people from Burma

In four different articles about Burmese artists (Ba Nyan, Ngwe Gaing, Lun Gywe, and Aung Myint), the full name of the artist is used at every mention. Other articles use the full name minus an honorific (Sao Shwe Thaik). Several use the name only once, and then 'he' or 'she' throughout the rest of the article, which is distinctly unhelpful. Is there a convention for articles about Burmese people? Leschnei (talk) 18:29, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Leschnei: In a word, yes: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Burmese). – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:41, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

That's the page I was looking for! Thanks. Leschnei (talk) 18:43, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Pizzagate

Why, when I want to read about Pizzagate, is the heading "Pizzagate Conspiracy Theory"? This is a clear example of bias, or the lack of non-bias, and is the main reason I will not donate to the site anymore.

Well, the first line of the page is "Pizzagate is a debunked conspiracy theory", with multiple references. Wikipedia reports in a neutral way about what has been written about a subject in independent reliable sources. If you have concerns about the content of a page, please feel free to raise them on the article talk page... but be certain that you have sources available to justify any changes you wish to see made. Please sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 19:10, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Citations/footnotes in St Paul's Cathedral article

Is there an experienced editor who can fix the citations in St Paul's Cathedral? Something is wrong with their format in much of the article and I'm not sure what's wrong or how to fix it. Thanks. Foreignshore (talk) 19:30, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Foreignshore: I think the problem is that maintenance templates ('page needed' etc.) have been inserted within 'efn' or 'sfn' templates. I'm pretty sure this doesn't work properly. The only way I know to fix it is by moving the maintenance templates outside of the footnotes, as you would if using ref tags. But, I wonder if someone knows of a neater way of doing it? Eagleash (talk) 20:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

I dunno about a neater method, but the templates {{page needed}} and {{unreliable source?}} are usually used in the body rather than in the reflist anyway. The issue has been there since February 2016, so I just moved them out. Dairy {talk} 04:39, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

File Upload Wizard

I was told that I should ask here for the solution to a problem I am encountering. The file upload wizard does not seem to work for me. I click on it but it just changes the bottom where it says when it was last modified and who modified it for a second then goes back to the original screen. This is a problem because I find many missing album/single covers on the Wikipedia. I know you can’t upload those to Wikimedia because I have gotten many copyright strikes for it. I would greatly appreciate help. DatBoy101 (talk) 23:18, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Wikipedia donations

Mr. Jimmy Wales/ Wikipedia Foundation,

It is good to see that you have updated a message on Wikipedia homepage. It is a non- profit encyclopedia and almost everyone who knows about internet, knows about Wikipedia. Your message title describes-- Readers of US..... Sir, its my suggestion, you can seek help from readers from all across the globe, I am pretty sure more and more readers will come forward. I am a student and a frequent Wikipedia reader, I will try my level best to contribute, similarly others will also do. Just post a message for all readers.

Thank you.

```````` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Debpranabd (talk • contribs) 21:22, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

@Debpranabd: Try posting that suggestion on his talk page: User talk:Jimbo Wales CTF83! 21:40, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Using nicknames

Please let me see if I understand correctly: According to WP:NICKUSE, to properly use a nickname, instead of using the nickname in quotes in a name - for example: William H. "Shakespeare" Hill (a character on the "This Is Us" TV series), I should use, in this example: William H. Hill (aka "Shakespeare") - is that correct? (Because I'm used to the convention of quoting a nickname in a name.) Thanks for the help; I appreciate it. -- Bwefler (talk) 21:43, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

The policy is at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) -- which is quite complex; in short: "it depends". There doesn't seem to be anything specific regarding fictional characters; "most common usage" seems to be the default for instances not otherwise specified. —2606:A000:4C0C:E200:4AD:CCD2:F199:DAE4 (talk) 22:23, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

incorrect page information & how to correct

I have a small issue with a page that I modified titled "Caroline Danjuma" it has incorrect information according to the person to which the article is about. However I edited it but it was reverted by a [Darreg]. I reached out to him so he understands that his article (created without the permission of Caroline) is incorrect but he insists that it should not be edited. Please advice --— Preceding unsigned comment added by Geebee2703 (talk • contribs)

Geebee2703, you have a couple things wrong here.

First, the information that you removed was cited to a few sources. Wikipedia uses information that is published in secondary sources. We don't simply take someone's word for the information. By removing those sources and changing the information, you're asking the world to take your word for it.

Second, rarely do we care what the subject of an article thinks of the article about them. Articles about controversial subjects should remain neutral in their description but that doesn't mean that they can only have what info the subject wants to have in the article.

Third, Darreg has already explained this to you in their response to you on their talk page. If, after reading through all the information that they pointed you to, you still feel that you have a legitimate dispute, the dispute resolution process can be found at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. †dismas†|<sup>(talk)</sup> 23:49, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Further to the advice from Dismas above and from Darreg, if you work for the subject, as you stated at File:Caroline Hutchings.jpg, you are required by Wikipedia's terms and conditions to make a declaration of paid editing in the manner laid out at WP:PAID. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:37, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

December 2

unused user page removal

Can someone here delete my old [user page] which I never used and has my real on it. Thank you :) --Sweetcorn (msg) 10:05, 2 December 2017 (UTC)