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Philo Farnsworth

I think you found a very useful source with the Brigham Young High School Alumni association, and I hope Wikipedia editors will make use of it. I've had to revert your immediate edits, however, since they included statements that simply weren't supported by the source. The cited source doesn't name Glenns Ferry, for instance, nor does it give that convoluted reason about the professors' attitude making Philo choose the Navy. I would also note that anyone can claim to be a family member in order to try to make their edits seem more authoritative, and that even if one genuinely were a family member, personal knowledge is disallowed as original research.

I hope you'll look again at the source and only include what the source actually says. And I promise I, too, will try to make use of that source. In fact, I'll give it a go right now. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Don't use this page much, not sure if this is how I respond to you, or on your own talk page. Anyhoo, I appreciate you sending me the message, rather than just reverting without explanation. I got into quite a few flame wars on that wiki page in the early days of its inception, without really knowing what was going on! I am a family member of Philo's yes, my Grandmother was his sister. I know about that Brigham Young High School Alumni page because I have done a LOT of research on Uncle Philo, as we call him (at least in my line). I wrote my own biographical drama about him. That Brigham Young High School Alumni page is basically a distillation of most of the events in the biography of Aunt Pem (his wife), called "Distant Vision." I don't know that there is an online version or a Kindle of it or anything. She wrote it in First Person, so a lot more of the motivation comes through. The Brigham Young High School Alumni page DOES talk about his professors denying him entry into the advanced BYU classes, so if there are other things you didn't find "sourced," please be specific, so I can be. Thanks. Playerpage (talk) 22:05, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I would also point out that, even without references to "motivation," The original version of the page gets a great deal of the chronology just wrong. Playerpage (talk) 22:12, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for kind words on my page, and I'll go with the assumption you're indeed Philo's grand-nephew. I can't say much, in order to retain anonymity, but I once had the opportunity to speak by phone with Pem for an article. To this day, that and an interview with Buster Keaton's widow remain two of the most fondly remembered moments of my journalistic career.

I hope I've been able to correct some of the chronology based on the source you found. Philo Farnsworth for too long was in the shadow of RCA's propaganda machine, and while I equally admire Vladimir Zworykin — whom I actually met, when he was in his 90s — it has been such a pleasure over the last several years to see Farnsworth gain more and more due recognition. With regards, --Tenebrae (talk) 22:25, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Your version (based on the page) has much better chronology. Thanks. I forget how easy it is to salt the scars when writing on Uncle Philo. I looked at my other entries just now and they weren't nearly as confrontational. I was drawn back to the Philo wiki page because I was on the BYU wiki page, updating some stats on my alma mater, when I noticed they were claiming he had received a B.S. from them when he first attended, which clearly wasn't true. I set about on their "Talk Page" to insist that they correct it, and got my hackles up about how he had been treated back then. This of course spilled onto the Philo page, even if it did remind me of a good source for his bio. One of the things I found amazing was that they were using as a source a 1950 essay from MIT that said nothing about Farnsworth's education, though it did give a brief overview of TV developments, heavy on the Sarnoff/Zworykin side. (http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1826025?uid=2134&uid=2493212183&uid=2493212173&uid=2&uid=70&uid=3&uid=60&sid=21106566226183) The purpose of the MIT article was to dwell on whether or not patent structure was good for invention--does it help the little guy or not? The author had been sold a bill of goods by RCA in his research that the only meaningful thing Farnsworth had was a patent, not useful technology mind you, just a good patent. The author even references the Zworykin/Farnsworth patent fight, without mentioning that Zworykin lost. It is pretty convoluted thinking, and it's amazing to see how quickly the RCA machine got to work. All of that is part of the subtext of why you were a better editor today than I. Playerpage (talk) 22:59, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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