Talk:Mining accident

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Is it worth adding the Baia Mare Cyanide spill in Romania - It was definitely a man-made mining disaster. See here http://www.zpok.hu/cyanide/baiamare/

Be WP:BoldLihaas (talk) 02:39, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Why the User:José Fontaine thinks it's necessary to use the death of people in mining disasters to promote his nationalistic agenda is beyond belief. The list clearly states 'by country'. Why he needs to list it as wallonia, I do not understand. Also, walloon is a dialect of french. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.125.230.223 (talk) 06:17, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Because it is verifiable and right, ony for this reason. If not, I would not have written it. I Want also put the rest of the text it was ritten for month with an added source:

The damp explosions were named in Walloon, "coups de grisou". The word "grisou" comes from the Greek fire, named "feu grégeois" in French (and "grisou" in Walloon). The coolieries'vocabulary was in Walloon until these coolieries were shut in 1983, But the most notable mining accident in Belgium was the Marcinelle disaster in 1956. On the morning of August 8, 1956, a fire in the mines of Marcinelle caused 262 victims. At the time of the incident, 274 people were working in the colliery Bois du Cazier, also known as Puits Saint-Charles. A wrongly placed mining wagon on the elevator cage hit an oil pipe and indirectly the electricity lines, when the elevator started moving. This caused a fire, which trapped the miners working in the galleries. From the 274 people working on that morning, only 12 survived. Most of the victims were emigrants. Among the victims, there were 136 Italians, 95 Belgians, 8 Poles, 6 Greeks, 5 Germans, 5 Frenchmen, 3 Hungarians, 1 Englishman, 1 Dutchman, 1 Russian and 1 Ukrainian.The catastrophe had left such a legacy behind that it was selected as the main motif for a 2006 commemorative coin: the 10 euro [[Euro gold and silver commemorative coins (Belgium)#2006.

It is said that among the immigrants there are Belgians. It is logic: if you are saying (the sentence before): most of them were immigrants it is normal you will say after that among these immigrants there were Belgians. I have no agenda. I try to write what is true, verifiable and right. It is true that the long history of the coal was in Wallonia (for Belgium). It is true that the damp explosions was the main cause of the mining accidents - in Belgium but in this period only in Wallonia - because of the depth of the mines. It is also true that this fear of the grisou was great in Wallonia and we are speaking here (in this para) about Belgium and Wallonia. Sincerely, José Fontaine (talk) 10:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I regret that all I write here is now immediately removed especially what is said about the depht of the mines in Belgium. I kwow it is written here about the mining accidents all over the world but becuse it is also by country I add some things which are peculiar to Belgium and Wallonia as the word grisou which was adopted in France as the name houille also and the whole vocabulary about this topic. That is relevant. But I don't want a war edition. Sincerely, José Fontaine (talk) 10:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

It is still not relevant for this page. You can, if you want to create a page about mining accidents in belgium, and refer to that page from this page. There you can add all the relevant information. However, the history of mining in belgium is not directly relevant for the accidents. Also, the differences in naming of something in a different language/dialect is not relevant on an english page. Unless the difference caused a misunderstanding, which caused the accident. If you want to talk about mining culture in Belgium, or specifically to the Walloon region, please make a separate page about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.83.174 (talk) 11:08, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

If you are right, you must remove what is said, for instance, about the accidents in the USA: Federal laws on mining safety ensued this disaster. In 2006, 72 miners lost their lives at work, 47 in coal mining. The majority of these fatalities occurred in Kentucky and West Virginia, including the Sago Mine Disaster. I think it would be right to put - shortly, of course - some things about the explanations of the accidents in Belgium and Wallonia, its vocabulary, the consequences of them (strikes for instance, literature, art as e.g. Constantin Meunier) etc. That was I have written, you removed almost totally. José Fontaine (talk) 11:55, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

China entry states that "Between January 2001 to October 2004, there were 188 accidents that had a death toll of more than 10, about one such accident every 7.4 days". Although source states "There were 188 each with death toll of more than 10, about one death every 7.4 day." i.e. x10 difference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.9.254.241 (talk) 09:17, 13 October 2010 (UTC) ok, that seems to be an error on source, 188 accidents * 10 casualties / (3,5 years * 365 days/y) ~ correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.9.254.241 (talk) 09:20, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Need to rationalize this article

This article is simply a short description of accidents in various countries. It duplicates the country-by-country information listed under its subcategory Mining Disasters. This means that the same information is being covered in two places, and likely means that it is inconsistent. As a simple example, check the first entry - Australia. 4 accidents are described here, while the subcategory Mining Disasters in Australia lists 8 (and they don't all overlap).

I think the country-by-country listing of accidents should be moved into the appropriate country specific subcategory. This article should pull things together at a high level. It could discuss global numbers, or developing/non-developing, or hard rock vs softer rock. Look for trends with time.

This would take some work, but I think would be the right direction. Gierszep (talk) 02:17, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Mining accident

This entire article should be changed into one big table, organized by year, location, fatalities, etc. Cosprings (talk) 21:21, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

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A country by country approach....

After reading the above wall of citations (copied from the article) it seems more appropriate to proceed on a country by country basis. Of couse, comments are welcome.

Latvia

The article states: "A large part of [the group of Romani persons interviewed] live in run-down apartments without amenities or running water inside; many of these apartments do not have central heating and are heated with wood, while in some instances the nearest water source is two kilometres away.[8]:32" It fails to mention the following line:

"All interviewees unanimously stressed the poor Roma housing conditions which are mostly due to the fact that Roma are unemployed." (p. 32) Also "A respondent of the Roma NGO Nevo Drom pointed out in the interview: ‘As far as I can see, the housing conditions in Latvia in comparison to other EU countries are the best. In Latvia, Roma people live in their own houses or private apartments, but also together with other ethnic groups. They are not excluded in this sense. There are so-called Roma districts, but they are not segregated, but are created out of their own choice.’" (p 32)

That's called "quotemining", i.e. not accurately summarizing the source, but cherrypicking it to make a point. The document identifies none of the issues adressed as "environmental racism" or "environmental injustice". Kleuske (talk) 14:48, 17 December 2017 (UTC)