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I have donated multiple times to Wikipedia and I feel that the article should simple reflect the actual artists' words about the song that he wrote and sung. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Weintzer|Weintzer]] ([[User talk:Weintzer#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Weintzer|contribs]]) 17:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
I have donated multiple times to Wikipedia and I feel that the article should simple reflect the actual artists' words about the song that he wrote and sung. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Weintzer|Weintzer]] ([[User talk:Weintzer#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Weintzer|contribs]]) 17:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:That's why we work with [[WP:SECONDARY|secondary sources]] - primary quotes can be incorrect. --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 17:14, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
:That's why we work with [[WP:SECONDARY|secondary sources]] - primary quotes can be incorrect. --[[User talk:SarekOfVulcan|<span class="gfSarekSig">SarekOfVulcan (talk)</span>]] 17:14, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I understand secondary sources, and I gave several, but if Neil Diamond himself cannot be relied upon as the singer and songwriter of this song for 48+ years, then we have a problem with documentation... The song was apparently given to a few sources and it apparently took off before it's OFFICIAL release date of September 16th, 1969, (which is the key to the entire discussion...OFFICIAL release date), which is what the article has correctly stated for a decade... This article has been correct on Wikipedia for 10+ years and now one person on Wikipedia with some clout changes it, and no matter what anyone says, (even Neil Diamond himself apparently), matters? Even the Neil Diamond fan club website lists the official release date as September 16th, 1969:

http://www.thefeelofneil.com/single-post/2015/04/12/Neil-Diamond-reveals-truth-behind-Sweet-Caroline-lyrics-and-contrary-to-popular-belief-they-were-NOT-inspired-by-JFKs-young-daughter

I am a long-term user and donator to Wikipedia and I am very disappointed with Wikipedia management that this could not be resolved better than this...This is akin to the Library of Congress changing the date of Nixon's resignation and Nixon himself disagreeing.

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OAR move request

It seems to me Primefac has the right to withdraw and close his own move request if nobody else supported it. I know it's that way for AfDs anyway. But I'm involved so I won't revert you. Smartyllama (talk) 15:42, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There was one other opinion given. A move back to Russia is unlikely, but... Nah, you're probably right. Reverting. Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:44, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I'm an admin in Azerbaijani Wikipedia. We were just wondering is it possible to create archivebot and patrol system for Az.Wikipedia? --Azerifactory (talk) 20:45, 12 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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As you are the protecting admin, can you please fix the double redirect to Catalan declaration of independence. Thanks. Pkbwcgs (talk) 12:15, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I was beaten to it. Thanks! --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 13:49, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Request

Could you ask someone to stop stocking me, please? [1] I'm trying to stay away, but that is hard when you are followed around this site. I try to check sites to make sure others have not used it for at least a week before I post, but this is the second time in two days.[2][3] C. W. Gilmore (talk) 14:15, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That's something that should be presented at WP:ANI. A single admin can't impose an interaction ban. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:21, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I was hoping someone could ask to end the following, I came here because I've never done an ANI and was afraid to mess it up. I only wanted someone to back off, not get them in trouble, that's not my style. But if you insist, then I will try. Thanks C. W. Gilmore (talk) 14:33, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I will try, it's my first time. Thanks C. W. Gilmore (talk) 14:39, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
sorry about the hassle, I had only been hoping that someone could ask that I not be followed. I was trying to keep the one week rule that I imposed on myself and that's much easier to do when I'm not getting followed from page to page. To Slatersteven, ' anti-Semitism in the UK' had been clear for 10 days so I began to post their again. Once it was no longer clear I finished up my conversation and I will not post there any further just as I will not post on your page per my self-imposed rule. I'm not trying to set double standards but I am trying to keep my distance and that's easier when I'm not followed. Thanks to everyone and sorry it became a huge dust-up. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 04:00, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As I understand it your IBAN would not (anbd does not) prevent you from commenting, you just cannot reply (or refer) to DS). MAybe the scope of your ban needs re-explaining.Slatersteven (talk) 10:17, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This is now the second time you have entreated me to Step Closer to the boundaries and this is the second time I will decline. I have dealt with editors that use the reporting of others as a weapon. I will respectfully stay away from the boundaries, thank you. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 10:52, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
As I said I think that someone needs to explain to you what the boundries are.Slatersteven (talk) 11:27, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I was blocked for a week for posting a link to my sandbox that was a pretty good explanation thank you. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 11:34, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I still feel a breath on my neck [4] C. W. Gilmore (talk) 02:41, 3 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Still feeling that breath [5] C. W. Gilmore (talk) 15:55, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On that one, you were both pinged into the discussion at the same time by an uninvolved party. I don't see a violation there. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:10, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks and I know, it just feels like this breath on my neck and the boundaries being pushed and pocked. Thanks again, just for listening. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 18:01, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Question about iBan block

While I customarily don't question an admin action, I am curious to know why you imposed the block. Please respond at the ANI discussion. It's for my own future reference. Thank you in advance. Atsme📞📧 16:56, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Already done. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:01, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Seasonal yuletide felicitations...

to you. Omnedon (talk) 15:53, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Holiday cheers!!

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Replied at AN

I forgot to ping you. Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 15:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Coffee: likewise I'm sure :-) --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 15:50, 2 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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RfC on Reconfirmation RfAs

Hi SarekOfVulcan. Having read the feedback left by many editors whom I respect, I am considering closing the discussion on my proposal at Wikipedia talk:Administrators#Alternative proposal: requiring resignation before a new RfA as withdrawn. Since you started the original thread, I wanted to get your thoughts on whether additional discussion is necessary. Personally, I think the conclusion is forgone that neither my proposal nor yours will achieve consensus, though I fear I may be becoming more pessimistic as time goes on. Mz7 (talk) 18:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Mz7: I would personally prefer you didn't, but I understand where you're coming from. This is going to keep happening. I think it's a good thing. But if people are going to scream "it's not policy" every time it happens, then we need policy. Let's keep the discussion going on your proposal: I'll withdraw mine, because that definitely isn't going anywhere. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:26, 5 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Help if possible

This is currently being discussed at ANI [8]. C. W. Gilmore (talk) 10:38, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sweet Caroline

Dear SarekOfVulcan,

On this issue of the release date of the Neil Diamond song, "Sweet Caroline", I am attempting to keep the correct release date of the song in the article based on the actual words of Neil Diamond himself, (based on multiple AP, Guardian and other sources). It is clear that the release date is September 16th, 1969 and not June 1969 as some of the posters allude.

Mr. Neil Diamond himself stated that and I posted multiple sources and yet the date is all of a sudden being changed by multiple people on here? I posted the links with the interview with Diamond where he verifies this fact in multiple places.

This article has been correct for years and now, it is incorrect...I know one of the users has some clout on here, ( " Binkersternet "), but that should not matter when I have presented the truth.

I have donated multiple times to Wikipedia and I feel that the article should simple reflect the actual artists' words about the song that he wrote and sung. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Weintzer (talkcontribs) 17:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's why we work with secondary sources - primary quotes can be incorrect. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:14, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I understand secondary sources, and I gave several, but if Neil Diamond himself cannot be relied upon as the singer and songwriter of this song for 48+ years, then we have a problem with documentation... The song was apparently given to a few sources and it apparently took off before it's OFFICIAL release date of September 16th, 1969, (which is the key to the entire discussion...OFFICIAL release date), which is what the article has correctly stated for a decade... This article has been correct on Wikipedia for 10+ years and now one person on Wikipedia with some clout changes it, and no matter what anyone says, (even Neil Diamond himself apparently), matters? Even the Neil Diamond fan club website lists the official release date as September 16th, 1969:

http://www.thefeelofneil.com/single-post/2015/04/12/Neil-Diamond-reveals-truth-behind-Sweet-Caroline-lyrics-and-contrary-to-popular-belief-they-were-NOT-inspired-by-JFKs-young-daughter

I am a long-term user and donator to Wikipedia and I am very disappointed with Wikipedia management that this could not be resolved better than this...This is akin to the Library of Congress changing the date of Nixon's resignation and Nixon himself disagreeing.