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Ryan Fournier

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WP:Promo Fails WP:GNG, WP:TOOSOON, and WP:POLITICIAN. Is a clearly WP:PROMO WP:AUTOBIO. It reeks of WP:PROMO, among many other things. The account that is edit warring has only edited 3 pages. Fournier, the school he went to, and his grandfather. Also, same account who has been on this article and only edited articles related to Fournier uploaded a copyright image to Wikipedia. Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 04:40, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

The individual in question is classified as a public figure and a Fox News Contributor. Allow us to make proper edits to the page to avoid deletion. His page is managed by Keybridge Communications. TimmyScotts (talk) 12:00, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

So you are admitting that his PR Firm is editing this page? How could you possibly know this unless you are Fournier or the PR firm? PS he is not a fox news contributor. This is simply false. If you have any evidence to support this feel free to share. Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 05:06, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Discuss 05:14, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

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No, that is what I thought, I am unsure, apologies. To my knowledge, his page was initially created by an editor at .Mic. I worked closely to the campaign and followed some of his work, which is why I sort of help manage his page. I would like to help fix the issues on the page to avoid its deletion.

TimmyScotts (talk) 12:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Again, you are mistaken. This page was created and edited by an account that has only edited Ryan Fournier which leads me to believe it is WP:PROMO. If you look at the edit history of the page it is a few users editing one single page or pages related to Fournier. Also, just out of curiousity how do you know who his PR firm is? It's not on their website and no account by that name has any relation to the page. Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 05:25, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I know the person at .Mic who first created the Wikipage. That's how I learned about Mr. Fournier. I assumed the page was managed by a PR firm because that's what I was told by the person at .Mic, but I could be wrong. I have been helping upkeep the page and so did the person at .Mic, which could explain as to why only a few people edit it. There are multiple articles out there that support the information in the wikipage as well. TimmyScotts (talk) 12:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Who at .Mic created the page? Maybe we can get some context from them? Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 05:36, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't want to post their name on here. Would you allow me to make the proper revisions to this page to avoid its deletion. The page has potential.

TimmyScotts (talk) 12:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry but no one at .Mic created this page. You can make edits to the page to try and make it better but self promtion (WP:PROMO) and Copyrighted materials will be removed per wikipedia policy. Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 05:43, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

One of the Political Editors from .Mic created this page, I can't say much more or provide any proof because it would compromise their identity. I will make these edits in the coming days, but I wanted to revert to your changes and work from there. I hope we can also resolve this deletion thread. Thank you.

TimmyScotts (talk) 12:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I will let you know that many will not believe you when the account who created the article is a single IP address who has only edited the Fournier page. Also, it doesn't matter who created the page if it does not meat WP:Notability. Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 05:49, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Mr. Fournier served as the National Chairman of Students for Trump, has appeared on Fox News numerous times (Which makes me believe he is a contributor of sorts). I believe that is classified as someone with WP:Notability and it follows the guidelines based off of what I have seen in articles, his social media, videos, etc.

TimmyScotts (talk) 12:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

• Delete - per nom. Not notable and seems very promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.242.113.12 (talk) 05:58, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Oppose per TimmyScotts on deletion -- The figure in question is public figure. He has multiple articles written about him, quoted on or contributed to. Notability is not temporary and the page has much potential to grow. Admin Note - This is TimmyScotts see page history.

You are exactly right but no sources have been provided and copyrighted materials continue to be added. Also, you must sign your comments with 4 ~'s to identify yourself.Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 06:13, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

• Admin Note - TimmyScotts is attempting to vote more than once. If you look at the page history the above comment is by the same person but he is talking in the 3rd person to appear as if it his not him. Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 06:11, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I did not double vote, I opposed the comment added about deletion. Here are some sources on Mr. Fournier which assist in checking his Notability:

https://mic.com/articles/145019/meet-the-20-year-old-mastermind-behind-students-for-trump#.nnH9ydp9g

https://www.chronicle.com/article/Meet-the-Young-Republicans-Who/237333

http://redalertpolitics.com/2017-30-30-list/ryanfournier/

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-students-for-trump-227219

http://myfox8.com/2017/03/08/meet-the-nc-millennial-who-helped-trump-win-the-presidency/

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article104522526.html

http://nation.foxnews.com/2017/03/18/students-trump-founder-we-ll-be-back-2020

https://twitter.com/RyanAFournier (For Reference)

It should also be mentioned that Mr. Fournier has appeared in two documentaries, one of which on Netflix. ::http://www.imdb.com/name/nm9038470/?ref_=nmbio_bio_nm

TimmyScotts (talk) 12:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

TimmyScotts - Per Wikipedia policy you will need to update the page. This is not the place to argue about notability. Also listicle articles such as a list of students do not qualify as notable. Adding Twitter accounts is also not notable. You are making a great arguement for Students for Trump but not Ryan fournier. I would ask Wikipedia to investigate TimmyScotts as being Ryan Fournier. Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 06:34, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Ryan Fournier's page will be updated to fit standards of Wikipedia. Thank you.TimmyScotts (talk) 12:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

I ask wikipedia to continue with the deletion procedure in the mean time until this is completed. Jamesharrison2014 (talk) 06:41, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

I have made a small edit. You have edited most of the issues out of the page. TimmyScotts (talk) 12:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

• Comment TimmyScottsJamesharrison2014 just moved the page to Students For Trump, which is unsuitable because this is a biography and not about the organization. Under current circumstances, this is also disruptive. I have requested a reversal of the move [1] and would ask the editor to refrain from such actions until this AfD has run its course. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 10:37, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Needs to be moved back now especially since there is Students for Trump.PRehse (talk) 11:08, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Gah, didn't even see that. REALLY needs to be moved back. I'll expand on my request at WP:RFPM. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:26, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Moved back. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:45, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

This is false. I did not move the page, I am unsure of even how to perform that action. I am new to most of these features. I made small edits last night to sources to help get the page in order with Wiki standards. It even says on Ryan Fournier’s page that Jamesharrison2014 moves the page. With that being said, edits have been made to fix the initial issues stated. TimmyScotts (talk) 12:15, 24 January 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.38.107.61 (talk)

Oops - that is correct. My apologies. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 14:33, 23 January 2018 (UTC).

• Comment The proper edits have been made to the page by jamesharrison2014 and I. I welcome more to edit as well to fix any discrepancies or information not properly cited. I am asking for this deletion thread to be ended since these fixes have been made. TimmyScotts (talk) 14:44, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Elmidae,could you make amends to the Talk thread on Ryan Fournier stating that I did not transfer the page over to Students for Trump and that it was indeed Jamesharrison2014. Thank you.