Talk:Cathy Newman

IP address

The IP address 194.169.221.231 traces to ITN (which produces Channel 4 News), so User:JWITN is almost certainly genuine too. In the thankfully relatively unusual circumstances, I think these edits should be respected; the deleted detail is otherwise difficult to trace online. Philip Cross (talk) 11:49, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

However, respected due to what? Until now there was really lack of evidence of threat for such "security concerns". If it is difficult to trace it online and has minor notability, then why it was edited in the first place (although with a reliable source [1])?--Miki Filigranski (talk) 17:08, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Please revert ALL the changes made by Msmadeira as removing all crucial information, using weasel words and obfuscating the facts is NOT 'Neutral coverage of Peterson discussion'

Hi All,

It appears that what Msmadeira is clearly trying to 'unbias' the article in Cathy Newman's favour by removing most references to any negative criticisms of the debate and the 'gotcha' moment. She has additionally removed almost all positive references of Jordan Peterson. This is NOT 'Neutral'. This is Vandalism.

Reverted the edit in question, the edit was clearly disruptive and not neutral.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 07:10, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2018

Hi,

It appears that what Msmadeira is clearly trying to 'unbias' the article in Cathy Newman's favour by removing most references to any negative criticisms of the debate and the 'gotcha' moment. She has additionally removed almost all positive references of Jordan Peterson. This is NOT 'Neutral'. This is Vandalism.

I request you revert all her edits.

Thanks, Superracoon (talk) 05:31, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Sakura Cartelet^Talk 05:45, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't see any vandalism in their edit. Also since I don't know anything about the subject I can't say whether or not the information removed was biased, thus it's easier to trust what they think unless there is evidence otherwise. Sakura Cartelet^Talk 05:47, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

That edit was clearly disruptive, and in recent days were published many other reliables sources which covered and criticized the interview which will (today) cite. Also, considering the accounts contribution history makes it suspicious to be another one-purpose account with conflict of interest.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 07:09, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Well aware of the subject and can confirm that the information MsMadeira, that removed should not have been removed, was not biased and all removed articles are reliable sources. What MsMadeira presents is clearly non-neutral point of view in favour of Cathy Newman, suspected COI. Have to agree with Mike Filigranski on this.FreedomGonzo (talk) 15:59, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

more realistic depiction of the reality

Reading the wikipedia article, I had the impression that the threaths to Newman's life were strongly exagerated and part of a strategy of manipulation. I think it's worth adding for example that the theory of Douglas Murray is itself controversial, even within his collaborators in "spectator", like: https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/the-shameful-hounding-of-cathy-newman/ Sorry if it looks like a partisan comment, but it's not my intention: I'm not partisan to Newman, I was just surprised to realize later that the picture depicted by the wikipedia article (and that I was thrusting) does not reflect the real situation. 77.182.134.51 (talk) 13:05, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

It is a blog and itself a partisan piece; we should aim for neutrality with reliable sources. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 14:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

In the article is ignored the ideological context of the interview, it does not include quotes and supports the victim narrative other journalists reported on. It basically pushes, due to ignorance of context, the same narrative from the initial news articles which had almost the same wording i.e. the difference was so small it could be said that they do not represent separate sources. In the beginning, I struggled to edit the section because of this strange situation, especially after watching the interview itself, and it was helpful that other journalists soon gave the perspective on it. The current revision of the article shows the case realistic and chronological as possible, compared to certain "neutral" editing attempts. Within hours will update the section.--Miki Filigranski (talk) 17:45, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

To answer to RichardWeiss: the articles of Douglas Murray are on THE SAME BLOG. I agree with the objections, but then, exactly the same things should be said for all quotes from Douglas Murray (moreover, the article of Kirkup points out that Murray has demonstrated to be very partisan of Peterson, the argument of "partisan piece" is therefore as relevant). If this argument is considered as relevant, please be consistent and remove all reference to partisan pieces from this blog that are currently in the wikipedia page. To answer to MikiFiligranski: I agree that the previous "neutral" edits have to be reverted. I think it's important to keep the information that some people are critical about the death threat or advance the hypothesis of a manipulation strategy. I don't understand the rest of the argument: the goal of a wikipedia article is not to support or not an individual, I don't care if it does not support Newman. Simply, on the Jordan Peterson section, it does not reflect the case realistically. Right now, it looks like the main discussion is about death threats and not about the failure of Newman. There is very few emphasis on the fact that global opinion see this interview as a failure of Newman, because the oversized part about death threat give the feeling that all media have supported Newman's side while it's not the case. 131.220.163.41 (talk) 11:21, 31 January 2018 (UTC) (I was the one posting the first comment)