Talk:Dras

Added Pictures

I have added 2 pictures : War memorial andf Dras Velley Please help editing this page if you have any other information. Rohan (talk) 09:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Added new topic

I have also added a new topic ; Places Of Interest Rohan (talk) 09:12, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Second coldest place?

This claim seems fairly preposterous - looking at the climate chart, there are loads of inhabited places far colder than Dras. Pretty much every place in Canada, Alaska, Northern Russia, Northern Scandinavia, etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.137.185.150 (talk) 00:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

--> Agreed, this is a preposterous claim and should be removed. For instance, Yakutsk, a city of 250,000 in Siberia has much, much colder *average* temperatures in the winter. Recommend this assertion be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.168.35 (talk) 09:28, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

---> If you people have read it carefully : Dras is the second coldest inhabited place in the world So now you get the difference? There is offcial board which also says Dras is the second coldest inhabited place in the world in Dras. 220.224.6.102 (talk) 10:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

It's wrong no matter how you look at it, and so I've removed it. If you object to that please post on my talkpage. Soap ^Talk/_{Contributions} 14:56, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Drass or Dras?

This isn't consistent in the article, is there an established translation or is the number of s's up to the author? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.31.139.226 (talk) 05:12, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Officially it is Drass

It is only here where I see 'Drass' spelt as 'Dras'. Please check with the tourism section of the official website of Kargil. We shall add that additional 's'. Shall we not? ~ A n w a r a j انوراج 20:50, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Ladakh peoples protests

It is so shame full situation that any coverage of Ladakh peoples protest against Shortage of drinking water, Lack of teachers in Indian Govt schools, erotic power supply, High air fares, Students rights, Killing of people in neighbouring Kashmir, Quota issue against Indian state Government and High court is forcefully being denied.

Is it your neutrality WP ?

I am disappointed with this cherry picking article which is just a no value article on current Ladakh population centres situation.

Every thing was sourced with 12 sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by LehPeople (talk • contribs) 12:42, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Indic Scripts Removal

Please have a look at Indic scripts first. There is no such mandate that it should be replaced or not removed because it is useful. Feel free to add it somewhere which does not interfere with WP:INDICSCRIPTS. Adamgerber80 (talk) 01:12, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Uanfala I am happy to involve an administrator who wrote WP:INDICSCRIPTS if you don't understand it. I have edited under this guideline before and I am not sure if you have. Adamgerber80 (talk) 01:20, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Ah, sorry for the revert: didn't see this thread on time. So, Indicscirpt was created so that we have something to cite when stopping people from warring over scripts, it's not intended to sow contention where none previously existed. It's your choice if you want to remove them from the ledes of articles, but I don't think you should rely on other editors to clean up after you and reinstate the non-controversial part of the content (e.g. the pronunciation derivable from the native name) in a form that you would find acceptable. I will have no objections if you move that to a different place within the article, or if you replace it with a phonetically accurate representation for all the languages concerned. Also, if we really must go into technicalities, Indicscript is only for articles primarily related to India, and Dras is in the Dardic/Tibetan cultural region, which is outside the bounds of India, as understood in the context of the script issues. Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 01:27, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

You have correctly stated the initial motivation behind the creation of the mandate that was to avoid people edit warring but it was also extended (during the extensive discussion that went behind it) to avoid clutter which was cause by non-English scripts at the top of the page. Thus, many Indian articles have seen removal of all non-English scripts from articles. I have myself been part of removing it from quite a few articles. To clear your misconceptions away, I am under no obligation to replace it with anything. If you wish to do so that is completely your prerogative and that should not stop the removal of the script since it is currently causing clutter. Second, it extends to all non-English scripts on all articles which either come under WikiProject India or articles that are pre-dominantly under WikiProject India. Other editors who also use it quite frequently do so under these guidelines. Again I am happy to involve an administrator if you think differently. There are a few exceptions to this and this article does not come under any of those exceptions. Adamgerber80 (talk) 01:41, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Feel free to involve anyone you wish to. Regardless of whether the letter of the guideline applies here (I contend that the topic is far enough from the Indian sphere for the guideline's application to be at best problematic), the fact is that the rationale behind the guideline is absent. If you would like to remove the scripts for purely aesthetic reasons, then this is entirely subjective (I don't see the clutter that you seem to perceive), and it's generally odd to delete useful content entirely out of stylistic considerations. Again, I will not object if you make your stylistic change in any way you see fit as long as it preserves the information content. Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 01:58, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I think the article is very much within the Indian sphere since Dras is a city within India and thus falls under the purview of WP:INDICSCRIPTS. Second, the application of this is not subjective but is applied on all articles under the stated guideline. If you wish to preserve any information (this completely your view here) then you should do so without violating laid out guideline. I am pinging @RegentsPark:,@MikeLynch: two admins who have dealt with this topic in the past and an editor @Arjayay: who has also used WP:INDICSCRIPTS across numerous WikiProject India articles. Adamgerber80 (talk) 02:06, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome to enforce the style guideline for the sake of enforcing the style guideline, but if in a particular case this is meaningfully challenged I don't see how "because the guideline says so" can continue to be a valid argument. And when I said I wouldn't mind you involving other people, I wasn't expecting you would choose someone who's !voted on your side in the RfC an another one who shares your script-removing hobby. – Uanfala (talk) 02:15, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

You can discredit other editors who have a clear understanding of the guideline (which you call a hobby) but the opinion of the administrators matters here. Wikipedia is based on guidelines and we need to follow them. I don't see this as a meaningful challenge but a case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Adamgerber80 (talk) 02:22, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

• Dras is a city in India therefore WP:INDICSCRIPTS applies to it and there should be no indic scripts in either the lead or the infobox. If someone removes an indic script from an article, it should not be reinstated. --regentspark (comment) 14:04, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
• Adamgerber80, this is clearly a contentious matter, so it will be really appreciated if you for a moment stopped removing the native scripts from articles about places in Ladakh. – Uanfala (talk) 16:14, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Uanfala I think the guideline is pretty clear and has been clarified by RegentsPark. It might be contentious in your mind. If you wish to change the guideline or contest it, this page is not the place. Adamgerber80 (talk) 16:16, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I think I've given plenty of reasons why the guideline doesn't apply here. If you want to argue otherwise based on the opinions of other people, then please don't rely on those who have previously been so heavily involved on your side. And again, I won't raise any objections if instead of outright removing that content, you re-arranged it in whatever form you feel is aesthetically acceptable. Thanks! – Uanfala (talk) 16:31, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

• Uanfala, Indic scripts is a reasonably clear guideline and you're unnecessarily trying to obfuscate matters. I suggest you stop. --regentspark (comment) 16:40, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Style guidelines aren't divinely ordained commandments. If in a given case these guidelins apply only in their letter, while none of the rationales behind the guideline are actually relevant, then I really don't see how it can be acceptable to continue refusing to listen and simply thumping the Bible. – Uanfala (talk) 16:52, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Sure. But the only reason you seem to be giving is that the guideline doesn't need to be followed. That's what I mean by obfuscation. If you have a good reason, please state it, succinctly and see if you can get consensus. --regentspark (comment) 17:16, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

I've already stated it several times above. To avoid going back into that circle, it can be summarised as: "1) the problem that the guideline is meant to solve, is absent here; 2) the enforcement of the guideline creates problems that weren't here before." – Uanfala (talk) 17:45, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

These aren't reasons by any stretch of imagination and can only assume that this is either sarcasm or a joke of some sort. --regentspark (comment) 17:49, 17 February 2018 (UTC)