Talk:Storm (Marvel Comics)

I removed the following from the article because I really don't think RPG stats belong in Wikipedia. Since large numbers of these "vital stats" sections have been added to various articles, I'm using Talk:Strength level (comics) to discuss this issue in general. Bryan 08:29, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Changes/History

It seems to me that many people are editing this article and removing information without giving reason as to why they believe their edits are justified. The talkpage is supposed to be where we can all agree as to what the content of the page will be and edit accordingly. Please list or attempt to explain why some content should be added or taken away in future posts. 63.249.112.124 03:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

The abilities and powers section was edited by an unknown user. I re-edited it to make it a little cleaner and less rough. They took out references to Storm being an ecopath as well as the time Storm spent in limbo training Illyana Rasputin in white magic. I also changed that "other versions" section header to read "alternate versions" because I feel it's more accurate in the description of the alternate reality versions of Storm who exist in other parts of the marvel multiverse. 63.249.112.124 03:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

New discussion topics go at the bottom of the page

Grammar update in the "powers and abilities" section. I changed the phrase, "she was able to calm the planets elements and heal the planets ozone layer" to read "she was able to calm the planet's elements and heal the planet's ozone layer." The former referred to the plural while the latter is possessive. See Rules of Correct Grammar. Also, "( issue see 'Storm front' )" is an improper citation and I could not find the x-men comic with that title. I checked google, the Marvel Website as well as Uncannyxmen.net. I feel it should be removed unless a comic book volume number and issue number can be located. 24.23.177.235 19:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Vital Statistics

• Real Name: Ororo Munroe
• Aliases: Windrider
• Group affiliations: X-Men, Morlocks (former)
• Height: 5 ft. 11 in.
• Weight: 127 lbs.
• Eyes: Blue
• Hair: White
  • Intelligence: Above Normal
  • Strength: Athlete
  • Speed: Subsonic
  • Reflexes: Athlete
  • Agility: Athlete
  • Stamina: Athlete
  • Endurance: Athlete, with some superhuman resistance to the elements.
  • Other powers: Storm has the psionic ability to control the weather over limited areas. She can fly by creating winds strong enough to support her weight. Storm has limited immunity to extreme heat and cold. Storm is an exceptional strategist, tactician, hand-to-hand combatant, and thief, excelling at picking locks.

• Note: Storm is claustraphobic.
• Source of powers: Benevolent mutation.

Storm no longer played by Halle Berry

I just put in that Halle Berry quite/got fired (??) due to a complaint by her about her little screen time.

Unfortunately, we're still stuck with her as of now, and I assume it's permanent. Rattlerbrat 14:29, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

possible origin of the Storm character

The character Storm may have been a derival from actual real-life people called Rain Queens since she controlled the weather as they are believed to do. The Rain Queens of Balobedu are a matrilineal line of women who have reigned over the Balobedu Tribe of the Limpopo Province of South Africa. It is said that Rain Queens have the ability to control the clouds and rainfall. Currently there is no ruling Rain Queen as the previous Rain Queen has recently passed away.

Having debuted at a time when memories of Star Trek's Lt. Uhura were still fresh, Storm's status as a black female with a similar name and Kenyan origins may not be coincidental. In any case, she may well be the first black, female superhero of any note and remains the most popular. - I doubt the Lt. Uhura was intentional. I've read in an old issue of Wizard that Dave Cockrum originally intended Storm to be a male character, while the black female would be called Tabitha and be able to transform into a cat. --Pc13 15:22, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, I really don't think Uhura has anything to do with this article, especially not as a heading!

Changed Title Image

I put up Storm's UXM #449 cover again. Personally, the art is of better quality and shows the character more attractively.

Gambit Romance

Does anyone know anything about this that would be worth contributing beyond that they met when she was dating Forge? Gambit and Storm shared a kiss in "Intifada," the X-Treme X-Men trade paperback, I think it was volume 6. A romantic link between these two has always been implied, but not typically acted on.Cee 00:13, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

She's had romantic links with other characters as well. She's been in relationships with both Wolverine and Nightcrawler recently. --DrBat 01:56, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

The Storm/Gambit "relationship" first started out after Gambit found the de-aged Storm when she was robbing homes. I believe she had gotten in over her head with one owner and Gambit helped her out and became her partner of sorts. Soon after, Storm rejoined with the X-Men and Gambit came along with her. Their relationship has seen a kiss or two in its time, but it generally has not passed beyond that. I believe their relationship rests as a friendly brother/sister relationship. Assuming she has not found out of Gambit's betrayal in recent issues. I believe, however, that Forge believed Ororo was dead when the X-Men were stationed in Australia. So Gambit and Storm did not meet when she was dating Forge. 68.51.57.237 18:11, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Ultimate Storm

The Ultimate Storm info section is a little lacking, and seems to be cut off..

It is Gaea

Classic X-Men#20 has narration stating that "Mother Nature---Mother Earth, the mother of us all---is the only other parent you [Storm] have acknowledged....". So Storm does worship Gaea, who is Mother Earth.

"However, whether people believe her to be real or not, when they refer to Mother Nature or Mother Earth, they are speaking about Gaea."

http://web.archive.org/web/20041021224953/http://www.immortalthor.net/bio-gaea.html

Enda80 20:43, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Enda80

Just because Storm believes in an earth-mother deity doesn't mean that that deity exists, or if it does, that that deity is Gaea. -Sean Curtin 05:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

The narration in Classic X-Men#20 indicates that Gaea came to Storm's rescue

The narration in Classic X-Men#20 has it that Mother Nature/Mother Earth/Gaea came to Storm's rescue.

Appearances in other media

'She is the aunt of the X-Man, Evan Daniels aka Spyke and a member of the staff at the Xavier Institute. This has confused many fans as to how she could be an orphan and still have a brother or sister in order to have a nephew'

I'm not sure if there's some additional information that's been left out which would explain why Storm having a sibling is confusing for many fans. Either that information should be added to the entry, or the confused fans part should be removed. After all, being an orphan does not mean that you're an only child. Doc Meroe 03:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. The entry should be edited to either give a citation, omit the reference to confusion, or explain why people are confused. Maybe they think if Storm is an orphan, she would have trouble finding/identifying her nephew. WikiFew 05:29, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

The problem with adding information is it would all be speculative to begin with. She's never been seen as possessing a sibling in any alternative universe that I know of. Her story has usually been the same: tragedy resulting in her parent's death, she becomes a thief, she quits being a thief and walks Africa helping (or hurting) people with her powers, Charles finds her eventually and asks her to join the X-Men. Evolution could have added a sibling into the mix, but they also could have given Ororo a group of people that she considers "family" and calls them as such. 68.51.57.237 17:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Relation to Spyke

In the X-Men Evolution universe, Spyke is her nephew, but not in the standard universe. I think the section Notable Relatives needs to be changed either to omit Spyke or to explain that it is in an alternate universe.WikiFew 04:43, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Another possible origin

Storm could also be based on the goddess Oya, who controls storms, tornados, and lightning. Oya and Ororo sound vaguely similar. AncientNova 04:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Unbelievably beautiful actress?

"The unbelievably beautiful african-american actress Halle Berry plays her in the recent film series." ... ahem. She very well may be, but that's hardly objectively verifiable. Changed to "The well known.." instead. This minor POV stuff nerves on my get. ~kappisto 17:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

first?

"She may be the first black, female superhero and remains the most popular." - Can someone find out whether or not she was? Either way, saying she remains the 'most popular' deserves citation. - IstvanWolf 16:18, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

After some research here on Wikipedia, Misty Knight seems to be one of the first along with Storm. Misty first had a name in Jan 1975 while Storm first showed up in May 1975. I believe both appeared prior to that in nameless cameo roles. Storm, however, has been much more regular in comics than Misty Knight, who has very rarely present. So I believe an accurate wording would be to say that she was one of the first major black, female superheroes. 68.51.57.237 21:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Omega?

The article claims, without any preamble or citation, that Storm is an Omega-level mutant. She's never been stated to be an Omega in the comics - on the contrary, she's been shown to have serious limits to her control over the weather, and exceeding those limits has been shown to be both harmful to herself and dangerous for the local ecosystem. She's never shown anything like the power levels of maxed-out Iceman or Exodus. How would you justify categorically stating her to be Omega?

From having watched Storm closely since she joined, I can say she's NOT an Omega level mutant by one meaning, but she is by another. In terms of potential, she is limited by the existance of atmosphere. Without any atmosphere to speak of, Storm's powers are not functional. Some, however, believe that Omega status denotes the ability to "end". In that meaning, Storm is well above Omega status. The only thing that keeps her from scarring the ecosystem is her own ethical code. Her powers have only been harmful to her in two instances: the first was trying to control the entire weather pattern of Antartica to dispel a raging blizzard. She failed this because she was already weakened. The second was after the X-Treme X-Men invasion arc in which she almost died. So, she is not Omega-level as far as I know. She has never been named as Omega-level. She could get there, however, with even the slightest of mystical or cosmic enhancements. 68.51.57.237 20:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

She also failed to control a storm at sea which Lee Forrester was caught in just after the 6-month gap. I'm afraid I can't give an issue number off the top of my head, but it showed she has limits in the face of nature.

All personal feelings and Original Research aside, if she hasn't been called one in the comics then that bit needs to come out of the article. CovenantD 20:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

She has not been as far as I can recall. She's usually referred to as in the class of Xavier, Magneto, and others who are recognized as peak-Alpha. 68.51.57.237 21:03, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Storm's powers are not limited by atmosphere, on many occasions she has manipulated both "space weather" and ocean currents. Storms abilities are limited by her imagination and awareness of their potential. As she can wield intense control/manipulation of the natural forces of the universe, she may very well be able to surpass even Iceman if she were able to fully control their manifestation. She has the ability to percieve, in a way no one else can, the energy of the universe and manipulate it's "flow." It's kind of arbitrary that her powers manifested in an intense storm, hence her codename, but she has identified with it so strongly that she believes that that is the extent of here domain/control. If you understand physics, then you'd also understand the complex nature of the kind of ability we're talking about (e.g. to "control the weather," you would have to be able to control heat and its distribution, both weak and strong nulear forces, and electromagnetic radiation) that pretty much covers the entire spectrum of physical forces in the natural universe (except for gravity/mass attraction); the same forces that govern everything in the universe.

Storm's powers are limited by her own body, though. In the long term, she's fatigued by their use, and in X-Men Unlimited #1 it was established that if exposed to sufficiently intense cold her body simply shuts down.

That's not entirely true either. Storm not only has the ability to manipulate the elemental energy around her, but also to channel it into her body as seen in Uncanny X-men #147 (http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/issues/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=1892). It seems that she can only do this without harming body when she is in-tune with the deepest part of her subconcious. Unfortunately this has a drastic affect on the rest of the planet as it causes the elements to rage out of control.

Alternate Reality Phoenix

After reviewing the classification stats from the omega-level mutant page, I thought it would be intresting to note here that in an alternate reality, it was Storm and not Jean Grey who merged with the Phoenix Force entity after piloting the space craft from orbit. Storm's body was placed in a healing coccoon and submerged under the Hudson bay. Phoenix-Storm arose from the bay and quickly did away with most super-villains on Earth by freezing them in the atmosphere. When it was realized that the original Storm was in a coccoon, Phoenix-Storm was disperesed and flew off into the galaxy. Storm did not survive the ordeal (similar to Phoenix-Jean Grey). It may be later revealed that Storm was resurected like her counter-part in the normal marvel universe. (See http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=76&page=12). ONe of the requirements of Omega-level was the potential to become a Phoenix. 63.249.112.124 03:19, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Merge

Per the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Comics#Proliferation of Ultimate character articlesWP:COMIC talk page, Ultimate character entries should be merged into the character's main article.--Chris Griswold 05:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Survey

Merge--Chris Griswold 05:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

• Merge Dr Archeville 15:14, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge Markeer 15:58, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
• Merge T-Man 09:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Closed with CONSENSUS TO MERGE CovenantD 17:01, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Immunity to the weather

I thought it best to put this here - as this scan clearly demonstrates, while Storm is indeed immune to the effects of most weather, that immunity is neither total nor unlimited. She can be overcome by the weather, and therefore to state that she's immune to all weather is simply inaccurate.

Your scan is accurate, but your statement is inaccurate. If you carefully read your scan, Orroro's body over compensated for the affects of the blizard. She overheated instead of maintaining homeostasis while in a freezing environment.

Dracula?

Why dosen't this page say anything about when Storm was a vampire under Dracula? (The Uncanny X-Men #159 among others.)

Ororo's Witch Heritage

Has Storm ever delved into the magic side of her heritage besides in the Magik limited series? I vaguely remember reading something about the "witches" in her family being born with white hair and blue eyes. Artemisboy 21:20, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Though I don't know exactly how this is related, but she has often used her matrilineal ruby to transport herself and others across dimensions. It is unknown how long the ruby has been in her family, but it was passed down to her from her mother, and to her mother from her grandmother. Also, Ashake is one of Ororo's ancestors shown in the comic series. She was a priestes in Egpyt or Nubia, and helped Excalibur in one of their adventures. She was supposedly the spiting image of Ororo. One basic theory is that as Ororo gets older, her mutant powers will wane. When they wane, she will come to depend on her ancestral life magic (ecomancy). 63.249.112.149 00:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Her Ancestor didn't appear in Excalibur, she was in the New Mutants (1st Series) #32. She helped Illyana teleport back to the present using her witchcraft powers [1].