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[[Behavioural_genetics]], an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Behavioural_genetics/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Groceryheist|Groceryheist]] ([[User talk:Groceryheist|talk]]) 06:39, 7 March 2018 (UTC) |
[[Behavioural_genetics]], an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Behavioural_genetics/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Groceryheist|Groceryheist]] ([[User talk:Groceryheist|talk]]) 06:39, 7 March 2018 (UTC) |
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==Question== |
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Just curious - I do recall at one point you had said that there ''are'' holes on Wikipedia that need filling. What kind of examples were you referring to? [[User:JacobPace|JacobPace]] ([[User talk:JacobPace|talk]]) 16:29, 8 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:There is always a ton of work to do. Things get outdated and need updating with more current refs; somebody comes through dump a bunch of content into an article throwing off the WEIGHT which then needs rebalancing; people create SPLITs and leave stub content in the main article, which then gets built back up with different content and sourcing, leaving the main article and split article out of sync and leaving us with "meta-editing" gardening work to do; and there all kinds of notable subjects that don't have articles at all. In the fields of stuff I edit about, some day I intend to write [[Susan Niditch]] ( biblical scholar, [[Rich Aldrich]] (investor in the boston biotech scene), and [[Barbara Dalton]] (pharma VC)... I am sure there are holes in subjects you are knowledgeable about too! I don't think there is a universal "to do" list anywhere but I am sure lots of wikiprojects have to do lists you could check. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog#top|talk]]) 16:48, 8 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::Thanks so much. Will research this over the weekend in more detail. [[User:JacobPace|JacobPace]] ([[User talk:JacobPace|talk]]) 17:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::Just a quick follow up question here so I can fully understand. I'm assuming you find these notable through [[WP:BIO]] correct? Any specific part that you see validate the notability of these people? No rush at all. You've given me more than is needed as it is. Thank you. [[User:JacobPace|JacobPace]] ([[User talk:JacobPace|talk]]) 16:33, 9 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::::I have no doubt that Niditch will fly per [[WP:PROF]]; the other two I am not certain. I imagine they will be but since I have not really gone searching yet I am not sure. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog#top|talk]]) 16:51, 9 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::Ok, cool. Just wondering. [[User:JacobPace|JacobPace]] ([[User talk:JacobPace|talk]]) 16:56, 9 March 2018 (UTC) |
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== The Exodus article is one sided and offensive. Please help to resolve. == |
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The majority of this article is offensive, one sides, anti-Semitic, and anti-Christian. How can you call the history of the majority of the worlds faith (Abrahamic faiths including Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) and the history of the nation of Israel a "foundation myth." The author of this article uses untrue and nonobjective generalities like saying "most scholars agree, many scholars agree, a consensus of archaeologists". Being myself a theologians and holder of a masters and doctorate on the subject matter these are just not true. I do not know the best way to edit this post but my attempts to make them objective have been denied. Please help me to know how to make the appropriate corrections. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:John Aaron Matthew|John Aaron Matthew]] ([[User talk:John Aaron Matthew#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/John Aaron Matthew|contribs]]) 19:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Please post at the article talk page with respect to article content. |
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:You should also be aware that Wikipedia follows scholarship and is not confessional. The history of the [[Ancient Near East]] is a scholarly discipline that is conducted in the secular world, like the rest of the discipline of [[History]]. I realize this can be frustrating from some religious people. Sorry about that. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog#top|talk]]) 19:52, 9 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::Thank you. I understand that postings should be scholarly and not confessional. That is my point. The current post is confessional in that it presents a belief that the historical source material is untrue and disregards the majority of scholarly work that explores the source material including these below just as a few. |
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::United Kingdom Hydrographic Office, Admiralty Chart H2 73 0012 – El 'Aqaba to Duba and Ports on the Sinai Coast, UKHO, Taunton |
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::The Catholic Encyclopaedia |
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::Hansen, P, Timeline from creation to Jesus |
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::Finkelstein, I & Silberman, N (2001), The Bible Unearthed, The Free Press, New York |
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::Gospel Pedlar, James Ussher: The Annals of the World |
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::Merling, D (1999), Did the Israelites Cross the Red Sea or the Gulf of Aqaba? |
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::Shaw, I (2000), Oxford History of Ancient Egypt, Oxford University Press, Oxford |
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::Uphill, E P (1968), Pithom and Raamses: Their Location and Significance, JNES, Vol.27 No.4 |
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::Wyatt Archaeology, The Exodus Conspiracy <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:John Aaron Matthew|John Aaron Matthew]] ([[User talk:John Aaron Matthew#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/John Aaron Matthew|contribs]]) 20:17, 9 March 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:::Again please discuss specific article content '''at the article talk page''' which is [[Talk:The Exodus]] |
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:::Also, threading and signing comments on talk pages, are both as fundamental here in Wikipedia as "please" and "thank you" - not doing them will make you come across as rude. |
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:::I fixed your indenting above, and a bot signed on your behalf. |
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:::We indent by putting colons ''in front'' of a comment -- put one more than the person who wrote before you -- the Wikipedia software displays an indent. We call this "threading" - see [[WP:THREAD]]. |
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:::Please sign your post by typing four tildas at the end (exactly four), and the Wikipedia software will turn that into a "signature" - links to your user page and talk page, and a date stamp. |
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:::Thanks. [[User:Jytdog|Jytdog]] ([[User talk:Jytdog#top|talk]]) 20:23, 9 March 2018 (UTC) |
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*<small>Silberman and Finklestein deny the historicity of the Exodus, as does the Oxford History of Egypt. None of the rest of those sources are even remotely reliable, and would only represent scholarship to a fundamentalist who explicitly denies real scholarship. Hell, the first is by a regular contributor to [[Answers in Genesis|AiG]]. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.118em 0.118em 0.118em;">[[User:MPants at work|<span style="color:green;">'''ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants'''</span>]] [[User_talk:MPants at work|<small>Tell me all about it.</small>]]</span> 21:40, 9 March 2018 (UTC)</small> |
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Jytog, may I intervene by pointing out that history is a scholarly activity that is also pursued in the religious world, according to multiple traditions, but which traditions are generally accepted even in the "secular" world? I realize this can be frustrating for some non-religious people. Sorry about that. But that's the real world. [[User:Evensteven|Evensteven]] ([[User talk:Evensteven|talk]]) 23:11, 9 March 2018 (UTC) |
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== Obnoxious edit summaries == |
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can the obnoxious smug shit you are putting in your edit summaries (in re Imprimis edits) - ridiculous. --User:Ceyockey (<small>''[[User talk:Ceyockey|talk to me]]''</small>) 01:10, 10 March 2018 (UTC) |
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Hugo Gottesmann
Hi, Thank you so much for your help in one of my reference (2) for the year 1915. I added another reference 3 for the year 1916. Gottessman is referenced in 1916 for his awards. WS114WS114 13:33, 6 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mary Jane Doerr (talk • contribs)
- sure. Jytdog (talk) 13:37, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Studio71
Thank you again for your message on my talk. At this point, I'm obviously not trying to push harder than I should and have gone quiet on certain discussions to let things cool down. I understand the controversy of contesting a merge, but do you actually think Studio71 is not notable for a WP? You said I see no real chance in the near future for Studio71 to have its own article in WP. That may change in a year or two
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This is more just for my own understanding: I believe they are notable but why exactly is a contest of the merge not the right thing to do aside from the fact that it will generate more bad feeling for me? Thanks for your patience with me. JacobPace (talk) 16:32, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- You asked me that already, and I answered already. Jytdog (talk) 17:29, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- Got it. Thanks! JacobPace (talk) 17:34, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Notification of GA Reassessment: Behavioral genetics
Behavioural_genetics, an article that you or your project may be interested in, has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Groceryheist (talk) 06:39, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
Question
Just curious - I do recall at one point you had said that there are holes on Wikipedia that need filling. What kind of examples were you referring to? JacobPace (talk) 16:29, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
- There is always a ton of work to do. Things get outdated and need updating with more current refs; somebody comes through dump a bunch of content into an article throwing off the WEIGHT which then needs rebalancing; people create SPLITs and leave stub content in the main article, which then gets built back up with different content and sourcing, leaving the main article and split article out of sync and leaving us with "meta-editing" gardening work to do; and there all kinds of notable subjects that don't have articles at all. In the fields of stuff I edit about, some day I intend to write Susan Niditch ( biblical scholar, Rich Aldrich (investor in the boston biotech scene), and Barbara Dalton (pharma VC)... I am sure there are holes in subjects you are knowledgeable about too! I don't think there is a universal "to do" list anywhere but I am sure lots of wikiprojects have to do lists you could check. Jytdog (talk) 16:48, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks so much. Will research this over the weekend in more detail. JacobPace (talk) 17:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
- Just a quick follow up question here so I can fully understand. I'm assuming you find these notable through WP:BIO correct? Any specific part that you see validate the notability of these people? No rush at all. You've given me more than is needed as it is. Thank you. JacobPace (talk) 16:33, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- I have no doubt that Niditch will fly per WP:PROF; the other two I am not certain. I imagine they will be but since I have not really gone searching yet I am not sure. Jytdog (talk) 16:51, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Ok, cool. Just wondering. JacobPace (talk) 16:56, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- I have no doubt that Niditch will fly per WP:PROF; the other two I am not certain. I imagine they will be but since I have not really gone searching yet I am not sure. Jytdog (talk) 16:51, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Just a quick follow up question here so I can fully understand. I'm assuming you find these notable through WP:BIO correct? Any specific part that you see validate the notability of these people? No rush at all. You've given me more than is needed as it is. Thank you. JacobPace (talk) 16:33, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks so much. Will research this over the weekend in more detail. JacobPace (talk) 17:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
The Exodus article is one sided and offensive. Please help to resolve.
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The majority of this article is offensive, one sides, anti-Semitic, and anti-Christian. How can you call the history of the majority of the worlds faith (Abrahamic faiths including Christianity, Judaism, and Islam) and the history of the nation of Israel a "foundation myth." The author of this article uses untrue and nonobjective generalities like saying "most scholars agree, many scholars agree, a consensus of archaeologists". Being myself a theologians and holder of a masters and doctorate on the subject matter these are just not true. I do not know the best way to edit this post but my attempts to make them objective have been denied. Please help me to know how to make the appropriate corrections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John Aaron Matthew (talk • contribs) 19:47, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Please post at the article talk page with respect to article content.
- You should also be aware that Wikipedia follows scholarship and is not confessional. The history of the Ancient Near East is a scholarly discipline that is conducted in the secular world, like the rest of the discipline of History. I realize this can be frustrating from some religious people. Sorry about that. Jytdog (talk) 19:52, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you. I understand that postings should be scholarly and not confessional. That is my point. The current post is confessional in that it presents a belief that the historical source material is untrue and disregards the majority of scholarly work that explores the source material including these below just as a few.
- United Kingdom Hydrographic Office, Admiralty Chart H2 73 0012 – El 'Aqaba to Duba and Ports on the Sinai Coast, UKHO, Taunton
- The Catholic Encyclopaedia
- Hansen, P, Timeline from creation to Jesus
- Finkelstein, I & Silberman, N (2001), The Bible Unearthed, The Free Press, New York
- Gospel Pedlar, James Ussher: The Annals of the World
- Merling, D (1999), Did the Israelites Cross the Red Sea or the Gulf of Aqaba?
- Shaw, I (2000), Oxford History of Ancient Egypt, Oxford University Press, Oxford
- Uphill, E P (1968), Pithom and Raamses: Their Location and Significance, JNES, Vol.27 No.4
- Wyatt Archaeology, The Exodus Conspiracy — Preceding unsigned comment added by John Aaron Matthew (talk • contribs) 20:17, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Again please discuss specific article content at the article talk page which is Talk:The Exodus
- Also, threading and signing comments on talk pages, are both as fundamental here in Wikipedia as "please" and "thank you" - not doing them will make you come across as rude.
- I fixed your indenting above, and a bot signed on your behalf.
- We indent by putting colons in front of a comment -- put one more than the person who wrote before you -- the Wikipedia software displays an indent. We call this "threading" - see WP:THREAD.
- Please sign your post by typing four tildas at the end (exactly four), and the Wikipedia software will turn that into a "signature" - links to your user page and talk page, and a date stamp.
- Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 20:23, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Silberman and Finklestein deny the historicity of the Exodus, as does the Oxford History of Egypt. None of the rest of those sources are even remotely reliable, and would only represent scholarship to a fundamentalist who explicitly denies real scholarship. Hell, the first is by a regular contributor to AiG. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:40, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Jytog, may I intervene by pointing out that history is a scholarly activity that is also pursued in the religious world, according to multiple traditions, but which traditions are generally accepted even in the "secular" world? I realize this can be frustrating for some non-religious people. Sorry about that. But that's the real world. Evensteven (talk) 23:11, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Obnoxious edit summaries
can the obnoxious smug shit you are putting in your edit summaries (in re Imprimis edits) - ridiculous. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 01:10, 10 March 2018 (UTC)