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Staraya Ladoga is not "a modern Russian town". It is neither town nor modern. Both linguistically and historically, it is the same settlement as Norse Aldeigjuborg. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 22:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The Rus' as Swedes

The identification of the Rus with the Swedes is original research, pure and simple. Not only there is no consensus that they were the "Vikings" as Beit Or likes to term them, but, even among the supporters of the Normanist theories, their "ethnic" affiliation is highly disputable. According to all modern research I was able to consult, Rurik (of Dorestad?) and his men are believed to have come from Jutland. Ladoga is built on the model of a Danish town; archaeological coincidences are striking. Most linguists, however, tend to connect the Varangians of Rus with proto-Norwegians: the analysis of their names points that way. I'm not aware of any compelling evidence that the Varangians came from Sweden. Neither there is any proof that "Danes" or "Swedes" were ethnically distinct from their fellow Vikings at such at early date, let alone "Swedes from the Kingdom of Uppsala". Even Wiglaf, renowned for his Swedocentrism, did not resort to such inflammatory assertions. Anyway, this discussion belong to the Rus, rather than to this article. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 07:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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	The identification of [[the Rus]] with the Swedes is [[original research]], pure and simple. Not only there is no consensus that they were the "Vikings" as Beit Or likes to term them, but, even among the supporters of the Normanist theories, their "ethnic" affiliation is highly disputable. According to all modern research I was able to consult, Rurik (of [[Dorestad]]?) and his men are believed to have come from [[Jutland]]. Ladoga is built on the model of a Danish town; archaeological coincidences are striking. Most linguists, however, tend to connect the Varangians of Rus with proto-Norwegians: the analysis of their names points that way. I'm not aware of any compelling evidence that the Varangians came from Sweden. Neither there is any proof that "Danes" or "Swedes" were ethnically distinct from their fellow Vikings at such at early date. Anyway, this discussion belong to [[the Rus]], rather than to this article. --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo\|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo\|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 07:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)		The identification of [[the Rus]] with the Swedes is [[original research]], pure and simple. Not only there is no consensus that they were the "Vikings" as Beit Or likes to term them, but, even among the supporters of the Normanist theories, their "ethnic" affiliation is highly disputable. According to all modern research I was able to consult, Rurik (of [[Dorestad]]?) and his men are believed to have come from [[Jutland]]. Ladoga is built on the model of a Danish town; archaeological coincidences are striking. Most linguists, however, tend to connect the Varangians of Rus with proto-Norwegians: the analysis of their names points that way. I'm not aware of any compelling evidence that the Varangians came from Sweden. Neither there is any proof that "Danes" or "Swedes" were ethnically distinct from their fellow Vikings at such at early date, let alone "Swedes from the Kingdom of Uppsala". Even Wiglaf, renowned for his Swedocentrism, did not resort to such inflammatory assertions. Anyway, this discussion belong to [[the Rus]], rather than to this article. --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo\|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo\|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 07:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)