Talk:Kathua rape case

Related to removal of page curation templates

@Oiyarbepsy: I think you put the page curation templates on this page going by the history. The page curation templates are for links and for it being an orphan. The article is no longer an orphan and has links. I think this particular page curation template should be removed now. What do you say? DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 16:46, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@Sachi bbsr: @Samee: What do you think? Can the page curation templates be removed now? DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 19:33, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

@DiplomatTesterMan: Of course, these templates can be removed now. Article is no more orphan and underlinked.  samee  converse  19:52, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 20:05, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Need a little help

@Samee: When I type 'Kathua rape case wikipedia' in Google search, the original page appears "Kathua Rape Case" (with a capital R and C) and the text in this does not depict recent changes made to the page. There is even a small typo in the Google search result. Why aren't the new changes being shown in the Google search results? Any idea how this can be sorted out? DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 08:51, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@DiplomatTesterMan: There is little we can do in this regard. It'll be updated sooner or later, nothing to worry about.  samee  converse  15:08, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok thanks. @Samee: DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 15:15, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Samee: I just wanted to logically understand why this was happening. So checked in the new pages feed with the filter set for the original page creator of 'Kathua Rape Case' User:Sachi bbsr. So "Kathua Rape Case" (with capital R and C) has been reviewed but the page move to "Kathua rape case" (with small r and c) has not been reviewed as yet. So it just needs to be reviewed. So yes, just wait until someone reviews the page move.DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 15:57, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: On typing "Kathua rape case wiki" in google search the original page name appears "Kathua Rape Case" (with capital R and C). And the text below has errors from the original wikipedia page. I just want to understand whats happening and I am asking this doubt again because the error still exists and I just wanted to understand if the Google search result will update itself or something needs to be done. I thought that because the page wasn't reviewed that why the error was there but I see that hasn't helped since someone has reviewed it. Thanks. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 11:43, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

@DiplomatTesterMan: The most probable explanation is that the content google takes from Wikipedia is not updated instantly, but is cached somewhere; there is nothing we can do about this. Vanamonde (talk) 12:43, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Since you added some tweets, could you add more tweets by poeple like Sania Mirza and others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sachi bbsr (talk • contribs) 01:29, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Why were my edits removed - please clarify

Hi @Vanamonde93:... Why did you delete my edits just now.
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You yourself had written that citations were needed so I tried looking for relevant citations - for Mehbooba Mufti, for the Bar Association protest and I changed students protesting to protests in JK with citations. I initially added the primary source for tweets which you removed, so i added secondary sources. What was wrong with the secondary sources?
You did do a wonderful job reorganising this article but I didn't get why these few particular edit were deleted by you. Just so that in the future when I edit on Wiki i can make sure i don't make so many mistakes if i am making some here....please do clarify. Thanks DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 12:06, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

@DiplomatTesterMan: That removal happened because of an edit conflict; it was not intentional. I have reinstated some of the additions you made. However, which celebrities tweeted about the event is not really encyclopedic information; see WP:CRUFT, which might help you understand why. We should try to focus on more substantive reactions. Regards, Vanamonde (talk) 12:47, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93: Ok. Thank you for the clarification. DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 16:25, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Related to placing photographs/media into the article

I just wanted to share some images related to this article. All these pictures have been taken at a protest in New Delhi on Parliament Street on Sunday 15 April 2018 - 5PM to 9PM IST approx. I will put one multiple image set of two photographs related to the crowd at the protest, and the second of the lawyer fighting this case Deepika Singh Rajawat. This event became more notable because of the presence of the lawyer, a day before she will go to court.

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  Deepika Singh Rajawat
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  Uma Chakravarti at Kathua Unnao Protests New Delhi
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  Deepika Singh Rajawat
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  Deepika Singh Rajawat
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  Deepika Singh Rajawat

Please do let me know if you are removing the images why you are removing them... does three images seem to much... is the lawyers image not relevant enough etc. Now i understand that we can have everyone placing images, but at this stage there are no images from india for this article. If better images come later on then that is another thing all together which images to keep or remove.
These are two sources related to the event, more can be found online - NDTV - India Unites In Protests Against Kathua, Unnao Rapes, Not In My Name protests launched after Kathua, Unnao cases; hundreds march over atrocities against minorities DiplomatTesterMan (talk) 18:38, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi DiplomatTesterMan , I have removed the picture of the lawyer. A tragedy should not be a tool for lawyers to get themselves being noticed. The article is not about the lawyer but about the tragedy. There might be more lawyers involved. Are we going to put up the pictures of every lawyer that gets involved in this page? Thanks Acharya63 (talk) 20:18, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Vanamonde93: you are an admin. Please can you advice on the policy about this? Please revert my changes if you disagree with my reasoning. My point is that this lawyer is a non-notable and should not use a tragedy as self promotion(although I am not saying that she is doing it). I think instead of putting up the lawyer's picture, there should be pictures pf protests etc (which are already there). The focus should be on the tragedy not on the lawyer and what she looks like.Acharya63 (talk) 20:24, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

@Acharya63: you need to be a little more careful with your language. I see no evidence that the editor who added the picture to the article is in any way connected to the lawyer. It is therefore definitely not self-promotion. Of course, it may still be promotional if it's being added by an independent individual, but that is a question for us to decide here on the talk page. My personal opinion is that given the absence of many photographs of relevant material, this one does not hurt. Vanamonde (talk) 13:21, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Deepika Singh Rajawat

This person is notable for Wikipedia:ONEEVENT Saqib (talk) 06:22, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

• Support. The subject has coverage pertaining to this lone case, making her a subject of BLP1E. Unless the attorney is covered in sources for other reasons, a merge at this point seems better. MT Train^Talk 12:30, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
• Support at this time, as all the coverage of this individual appears related to the trial, and the information can thus be contained in the article about the case, at least until it gets too unwieldy. Vanamonde (talk) 13:29, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

I do not agree, and oppose the proposed merger. The Kathua rape will go down in history for its horrifying nature and the inhuman incidents that followed. It is three horrific crimes: 1) Child Rape 2) Murder 3) Defending of the accused by men of power -ruling ministers and lawyers- and by mob-demonstrations of the other community. By merging the page we'll undermine the crux of the case. A case should be known as it was and not by the victim's lawyer's name. We very much have a Wikipedia page called "Kunan Poshpora incident" which also was a case in the same Indian state, albeit on a larger scale- one of premeditated and organized gang-rapes case. Kathua rape case will soon be a book.Aunahmed (talk) 19:23, 20 April 2018 (UTC)Aun

• Weak Support. After reading Aunhmed's reasoning, I am changing my vote from support to weak support. The lawyer is not a notable as most seem to agree so she should not have her own page. Tragedy cannot be used for self promotion. A mention of the lawyer and how she was allegedly harassed should be enough on this page. The focus should be on the victim and the rape, not the lawyer. The lawyer by herself has zero notability outside this case. No need to even create a separate section on the lawyer. If the lawyer changes, is there going to be a different section for each lawyer? We just need a passing mention to the lawyer. The main focus on the article should be the victim and the other points that Aunahmed mentions.Acharya63 (talk) 19:45, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
• Against Merging. Kathua case is prominent enough to make its own page but not because of the lawyer. This incident is similar to cases like 2012 Delhi gang rape and and [1]. The case is not one of the cases of Lawyer. The lawyer is known for the case but not vice versa. Rasulnrasul (talk) 14:40, 21 April 2018 (UTC)