Talk:Joseph James DeAngelo

Image Update?

Now that we're 100% certain who he is, shouldn't the image in this article be updated to one of Joseph DeAngelo, the man they have in custody? All of the other details have been updated, such as his place of employment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:644:8400:4AD1:518A:C38:4F96:7A1D (talk) 21:15, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Muddled

This seems all a bit muddled. The Original Night Stalker, The Night Stalker and a third one, all linked by DNA - or maybe not? Very confusing! Needs clarification! 61.17.202.175 21:05, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

(mcdonis) I was in the middle of fixing this artcle when someone labeled it vandlaism and removed it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.141.40 (talk) 19:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Please quit saying my additons are vandlamism they arent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.181.130.181 (talk) 02:14, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

2009 Ventura Murders

A new Ventura victim possibly related to the Husted slayings today. Wendy DiRodio, 61, stabbing victim in home. See this article in local paper: http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2009/jun/04/no-headline---nxxfcvtastab05/ comments and tonights news confirm that Hustead victims owned 2d home nearby, docked their boat at this home in Keys, and enrolled their children in the local school. Geographic link plus MO. This may not be worth adding but is worth watching for future additions to this article. Marshagalinsky (talk) 04:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm removing the references to the Husted and DiRodio cases in the main article. These crimes are similar in some ways to the ONS, different in many, and being that it's been 23 years since ONS' last known homicide, I'd say it's almost certain there is no link. --TheGreatUnsolved (talk) 01:04, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Merging EAR with ONS

I'd like to merge the article for East Area Rapist with this article. It's the same perpetrator. If/when he's apprehended, these pages will both be redirected (as would Goleta Murders 1979, 1981, if he confesses to these) to the individual's own article, so these two pages should be merged, as they've been forensically proven to be the same offender. I'll wait seven days for input. If no one objects, I'll perform the merge. --TheGreatUnsolved (talk) 01:22, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

You are right. ONS and EAR are the same person. Merge the articles. --Noirceuil (talk) 16:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Who wrote that he had an 11 inch penis? I deleted that. C'mon folks this is serious. Rawoyster (talk) 16:54, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Goleta serial killings

Should this Goleta serial killings be a REDIRECT to here or WP:FORKed. How reliable is this source:

Michael Newton The Encyclopedia of Unsolved Crimes 2009 -p139 "While that proposed solution was enticing, a spokesman for the Santa Barbara County Sheriff's Department stated in 2000 that DNA recovered from a Goleta crime scene did not match that of the Original Night Stalker."

Information in the article here seems to contradict it. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:21, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Myths?

I have heard some things, yet none of these are mentioned on this page. I will provide a link to a page which mentions these. I'm specifically redesign to the criminal making a phone call, and leaving a message, apparently in 1991 (seems a little late?), and attending a community meeting, where someone there was targeted, plates being put on his back etc. This is one page with gives those details - 124.191.144.183 (talk) 21:12, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

I have removed most references to the three toed German Shepherd ("Woofy", as he's known), as most of what was said is myth (or at least completely unsourced), and some is simply wrong. What we know for sure amounts to the following: dog prints were found at O/M. The breed isn't certain, and while the prints appeared to show a three toed dog, investigators later determined that this might not be the case. There is no publicly available source that indicates the presence of a dog at any other scene, other than a sighting of a man with a German Shepherd near the D/S the night before the crime, and there's reason to think that the police later identified this man and cleared him. Zynchronicity (talk) 21:10, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

References

Rapist?

How is the Original Night Stalker a rapist? There is nothing written or sourced in this article that shows this.--Paleface Jack (talk) 02:53, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

The ONS has been linked by DNA evidence to the East-Area Rapist and is now considered the same person. I agree that the article needs more information on this, as it's mentioned in general but not for any specific cases.--DearPrudence (talk) 08:35, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Looks like mention of victims having been raped is now included for the ONS crimes. Mhacdebhandia (talk) 09:35, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Still seems more overview style when talking about the rape attack and never goes it not how many people or any of the details about what happened (not graphic details but rather an encyclopedic detail as per Wiki's standards). There's just a paragraph long overview that seems to be too brief and not as detailed as the murders reported in the article.--Paleface Jack 22:53, 28 March 2018 (UTC)

Duplicated citations tag

@Paleface Jack: You recently added the {{duplicated citations}} tag to the article. What references are you referring to? Melonkelon (talk) 23:18, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

References 20-26 and 35-36 are all from the same source.--Paleface Jack (talk) 23:00, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

20–26 are different pages from the same site; each reference is a different type of model or graph, though I'm not sure it should be in the article. It seems to be an amateur source. I've just removed 35 and 36 because they are forum posts. Melonkelon (talk) 01:28, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Connection to Visalia Ransacker

Just interested in learning more about why all mention of the Visalia Ransacker has been removed from the ONS article. Lack of good cites? Thanks! --Sephiroth9611 (talk) 17:20, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Date of Manuela Witthuhn's murder

The article says it was February 6, 1981, but other sources I've checked say that it was February 5. Which date is correct? Melonkelon (talk) 22:16, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Overly detailed tag

To editor Animalparty: could you please elaborate on why you have tagged this as overly detailed? I'd tend to disagree with that. I don't think this article goes into too much detail, given the extent of the Original Night Stalker's crimes. Melonkelon (talk) 04:07, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

Sure. intricate listing of dates, times, day of weeks. Full text of or large excerpts of letters, transcripts of phone calls, and the fact that virtually every fart or utterance has its own section makes this look more like a fan page than an encyclopedia article. Conciseness is a virtue. But I have no special interest in the case (other than maybe wanting to read a well-written article), and will not object if invested editors remove the template if they enjoy the status quo. --Animalparty! (talk) 04:23, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

I can see what you mean, but I still tend to disagree that it's overly detailed. The transcripts of the calls are important because they give context and the full text of the letters is helpful because they can be hard to read. Maybe the full texts could be removed and instead a link is provided to an external site with the text, I don't know. I don't know what you mean by "virtually every fart or utterance has its own section". Are you talking about the letters and calls? Melonkelon (talk) 04:54, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

I agree it is overly detailed, especially the phone call section. This is an encyclopedia, not a true crime website. The minutiae and salacious details better belong on one of the many true crime websites on the internet. Wikipedia should contain a summary of the case focused at people who are not specifically true crime fans. Ashmoo (talk) 11:19, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 5 April 2018

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The result of the move request was: moved as requested per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 12:48, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

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Original Night Stalker → Golden State Killer – The most common name is "Golden State Killer". A simple Google search can confirm this, with; "Golden State Killer" (130,000), "East Area Rapist" (57,100), "Original Night Stalker" (47,100) - unable to move, I suspect, due to historical merge and redirect Chaosdruid (talk) 20:59, 4 April 2018 (UTC)--Relisting. Dekimasuよ! 03:12, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). –Ammarpad (talk) 00:28, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

• I suggest putting it through a requested move. Page views is not a convincing reason to move a name. Also, the page has been at that title since before the redirect target "Garden State stalker".Artix Kreiger (talk) 21:30, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

You forgot to actually say anything about whether you think it should be moved or not.

A page being at the wrong name for so long will become clear when you read the article.

Somehow I suspect that you have not really read the article?

There were ""two" killers, and then DNA linked them as the same assailant.

There can be only one name, so the new one was chosen. WP:NAMECHANGES

It is a shame that this was blocked by someone who appears to have contested it on "is this the best policy?", rather than any real reason to NOT move it.

We use Google search results all the time WP:UCRN Chaosdruid (talk) 11:12, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Comment: Seems that the GSK phrase is being used by the current mainstream media to retroactively include EAR's crimes as in this media report from last week. JabberJaw (talk) 11:54, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

• Comment: I believe Michelle McNamara began calling him the Golden State Killer in 2013, so its use is fairly recent compared to the East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker names. He has been referred to as the East Area Rapist since at least 1977, and as the Original Night Stalker since the early 2000s, though probably earlier than that. The Golden State Killer shows a lot of results on Google, but that might be because the case has received a lot of media attention in recent years, with the FBI's renewed efforts in 2016, recent podcasts and television episodes/series that feature the name, and the fact that a lot of newer sources tend to refer to him as the Golden State Killer. Melonkelon (talk) 12:38, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Which is, I believe, covered by WP:NAMECHANGES - as most recent media seem to be using GSK, since 2016 at least, it looked like it might be time to move this one :) Chaosdruid (talk) 14:53, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Isn't NAMECHANGES about individuals changing their name though? "Sometimes, the subject of an article will undergo a change of name". I suppose that might be like Bruce Jenner/Caitlyn Jenner, or Jenna Dewan marrying Channing Tatum and changing her name to Jenna Dewan Tatum. It doesn't seem to apply to this case. Melonkelon (talk) 21:39, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Support per Common name policy Felicia (talk) 00:29, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Support change to "Golden State Killer" Vwanweb (talk) 01:06, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

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I honestly thing the name should be changed back to The Original Night Stalker. That's what pretty much everyone in the true crime community calls him.

Agreed, even in the recent press conference the police, local media, et al refer to him primarily even as East Area Rapist, essentially nobody calls him Golden State Killer except very recently, and the Google results is hardly a proper poll considering it's largely in part due to the book mentioned above -- which incidentally when asked at the conference whether the book had any impact or provided new information to the case the sheriff said "no, none at all." So I don't see why this was done. TheWaffleTruth (talk) 20:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I live in the Sacramento area, so the local media's calling him the East Area Rapist. However, the national media appears to be calling him the Golden State Killer. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 04:11, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Joseph DeAngelo arrest

Here is a purported arrest record for Joseph DeAngelo:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dbn_WVMVwAAaXCS.jpg:large (source: https://twitter.com/CriminologyPod/status/989102362626265089)

He was taken into custody early this morning (April 25, 2018) and there is some early reporting that he is the Golden State Killer. http://fox40.com/2018/04/24/sources-report-possible-break-in-east-area-rapist-case/

Also https://www.thedailybeast.com/golden-state-killer-arrested-according-to-co-author-of-ill-be-gone-in-the-dark Another copy of arrest info at https://imgur.com/KsERVNf Discussion at East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker OFFICIALLY CAUGHT - everything we know so far 23.83.37.241 (talk) 14:17, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

But it's too early to say he *IS* the GSW, (as the article now states) no? There's a little detail about a trial and conviction? MikeyMoose (talk) 15:04, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

I agree this should say "(Suspect)" or "(alledged)" throughout for now, especially in infobox. Arrest, or arrest and charge is not the same thing as a conviction.Explainador (talk) 17:08, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

California police just confirmed via their press conference that DeAngelo's DNA matches DNA recovered at multiple EARONS crime scenes.

Will there be a page started for JD like the one for Stephen Paddock (Las Vegas Shooter)?

If it turns out he's the Golden State Killer (and it seems very likely since they got a DNA match), this page will probably be moved to "Joseph DeAngelo", in much the same way we don't have separate pages for "Ted Kaczynski" and "Unabomber". ^Falling_Gravity 04:01, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Good point. The Ted Kaczynski page says he published a book in 2016! Who knew? I guess there is no such thing as bad publicity. It seems like the victims of crimes don't get as much publicity as the perpetrators do from the crimes though they probably don't want it anyway.

Media section

The newly added "Media" section seems entirely unneeded, and is a dead link to a non-existing page, essentially advertising a (very good) recently released book. That seems unnecessary and out of place. I recommend removal, or bringing it into line.

Perhaps the additional media items relating to the case should be added, ie; the 2000 Cold Case Files episode and the new documentary that's currently being screened?

173.243.161.113 (talk) 00:35, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Red links are used to encourage new articles. I am quite sure this book will have its own article in no time, given the recent developments. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

In fact, I may start the article. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 06:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

And I did: I'll Be Gone in the Dark: One Woman's Obsessive Search for the Golden State Killer. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 12:51, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2018

In section 4.1.3, please add: DeAngelo is a native of Bath, NY. In August, 1979 he was fired from the police force. He was accused of shoplifting a hammer and a can of dog repellant from a hardware store on July 21, 1979.

One of his neighbors in California, Kevin Tapia said when he was a teen, DeAngelo falsely accused Tapia of throwing items onto his yard. Tapia's father and DeAngelo got into a heated exchange. “No one thinks they live next door to a serial killer,” Tapia said. “But at the same time, I’m just like, he was a weird guy. He kept to himself. When you start to think about it you’re like, I could see him doing something like that, but I would never suspect it.” Danny K Yo (talk) 01:49, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

References

 Done L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:33, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, actually I couldn't really find the right place to put this. Where exactly would you want me to put it? There is already mention of his shoplifting. L293D (☎ • ✎) 13:36, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. qwerty6811 :-) Chat Ping me 18:04, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Picture

You should take the third drawing of the FBI 2016's hand drawing of the serial killer as it looks very much like a younger DeAngelo.

Merge Visalia Ransacker into this article?

Since it's suspected that the Visalia Ransacker & the Golden State Killer are the same person, should the Visalia Ransacker article be merge into this article? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 04:13, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

• Support They should be merged, especially once a definitive connection has been made. They can be split again if it turns out he's not the one, but it's looking pretty likely that he is... Veryproicelandic (talk) 06:10, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• Strongly oppose - Until the indicted/suspect/accused is specifically tried and convicted (or at least definitively connected via DNA) for the crimes cited in Visalia then there would be no reason to do so. There is still a due process, isn't there? Acting on assertions/indications/assumptions is for the police and mainstream media, not encyclopaedias. However, if convicted, I would be the first person to propose or support such a merger. JabberJaw (talk) 09:31, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose That is, until we have more confirmation. The authorities have mostly behaved as if the two are the same since DeAngelo's arrest, though have cited 12 deaths, which would be 13 if the Visalia Ransacker crimes were included. However, they have not given out why they have done so. Carolus (talk) 15:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Note: this discussion is mirrored at Talk:Visalia Ransacker#Merge Visalia Ransacker into the Golden State Killer article?. Thanks. JabberJaw (talk) 09:39, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Requested move 26 April 2018

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The result of the move request was: clear consensus not to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below; any future requests to change the article title should take WP:CRIME into consideration, as well. Dekimasuよ! 18:49, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

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Golden State Killer → East Area Rapist / Original Night Stalker – This is the name that this killer has been known for the longest time (the East Area Rapist ~ has been his name since the 70s and the latter had been added in the early 2000s.) and what his reddit sub calls him by. https://www.reddit.com/r/EARONS/ The FBI lead off their call to find him calling him the East Area Rapist. https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/help-us-catch-the-east-area-rapist. Even if Golden State Killer now gets more hits on google, most true crime enthusiasts know him as EAR / ONS and it would be wrong to not refer to him by his more common name. CaptainPrimo (talk) 04:54, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Most of the national media seems to using the Golden State Killer moniker. That seems like it'll become the most common name. However, I'd be willing to consider moving this to Joseph DeAngelo. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:32, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose$\wedge$FBI and joint task force billboards on 2016 solely referred to the crook as the 'Golden State Killer'. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 05:41, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• I'm inclined to agree. While the GSK moniker is popular at the moment, largely due to Michelle MacNamara's book, EAR/ONS has been used the longest - and by the actual authorities.
• Oppose This guy hit the news as the Golden State Killer. "East Area Rapist" is not even half the story and not what he'll be remembered for. "Original Night Stalker" will get him confused with Richard Ramirez faster than you can say devil worshiper. Golden State will remind people of the area he operated in, and murder is what will get him taught in criminology classes... Veryproicelandic (talk) 06:16, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose The current flood of attention in reliable sources uses the current title, and it seems highly likely that this trend will continue. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:19, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• Comment - Taking all of that to note, Blaylock's idea seems better. How about changing the title to Joseph DeAngelo? CaptainPrimo (talk) 07:21, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Propose that if and when he is convicted. The guy just got arrested today, and deserves a trial. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 08:34, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose The move to this name was discussed less than a month ago. The media blitz could give us reason to revisit the decision if the reports were consistently using another name, but they're not. So the reasons above still apply. @CaptainPrimo and Blaylockjam10: That would be consistent with other WP serial killer articles (Unabomber, BTK killer, etc.), but I think we need a more authoritative assignment of blame than the current arrest/indictment. While early reports suggest a pretty solid case, I'd like something better. A conviction would be ideal, but that'll take a while. Is there some intermediate threshold we can use? 23.83.37.241 (talk) 08:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• Strongly Oppose If the suspect is convicted of being "multiple" criminals (i.e VR, EAR, ONS) then these would eventually become sections within a single larger article based on the GSK, and with each section showing the evolution of his crimes. Until that time, leave the article as is under its newer common name. JabberJaw (talk) 10:05, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• Snow oppose per above. wumbolo ^^^ 12:58, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• Strongly Oppose Per reasons above. Sovietmessiah (talk) 13:21, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose - Most sources use the term GSK and, until someone is convicted, it's the simplest, most accurate title you can have. -- Veggies (talk) 14:08, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• Strongly Oppose — Slashes in article titles don't have the effect you think. They don't mean "or", but instead create a sub-article in Wikipedia. Moreover, I found the article with no trouble using "diamond knot killer" as search terms. The phrases in the proposed replacement title have been in the article a long time and are equally accessible with the search engine, so there is no need to change the title. — Quicksilver (Hydrargyrum)^{T @} 14:27, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• Strongly Support This has been the long-standing term; GSK has overtaken it only since about DeAngelo's arrest. Regardless, if convicted, this will have to be retitled with his name. Carolus (talk) 15:15, 26 April 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose: To this day, this man is still predominantly known as the "Golden State Killer". The only change I can foresee is "Joseph James DeAngelo", after he is convicted X years down the road. DARTHBOTTO _talk•cont 16:28, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

He is predominantly known as EAR / ONS but I realize this isn't happening. I'm all for changing the name to his real name. CaptainPrimo (talk) 17:56, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

• Strong oppose we changed it once, also moving it to that would be confusing to some editors. Felicia (talk) 18:40, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

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HLN “Unmasking a Killer”

The media section should state that in March 2018 HLN began running “Unmasking a Killer,” a five-part documentary series devoted to the hunt for the Golden State Killer.

Re-organization:

The article is a total mess. A big chunk of the article are transcripts of his calls and letters. We don't need these posted in full. Summaries are what should be done. The actual killer, Joseph James DeAngelo, gets a small mention at the end. The psychological profile sections aren't really needed at all. It should be re-organized, and then focused on the case, the investigation, and Joseph James DeAngelo. Harizotoh9 (talk) 12:50, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

At this time it's an alleged killer, a suspect, or arrested person. Please be careful with that. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 13:00, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

And the only one arrested. The investigation of him, his arrest, and subsequent trial, should be a major part of the article. Harizotoh9 (talk) 13:01, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes, SIR! We'll start adding the many sources giving all those details right away, SIR! It's inexcusable that the article doesn't cover his trial. EEng 13:04, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Agree that this article is a mess and likely to remain so for the near future. One idea I had was to hide the crime details in collapsible/drop down tabs - hence, the info is there for those who want details, but the article is not excessively detailed for the average reader. JabberJaw (talk) 13:09, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

For accessibility reasons, collapsing things in the body of an article is deprecated. Having fun! Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk} 19:27, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

There might not be a trial. He is a suspect in custody. He might be released or he might plead guilty. 47.137.185.148 (talk) 01:47, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Map?

A map/maps, maybe with colored/shaped pins to indicate specific nature of offense / chronological group, would be far better than the current numbing list. Do not give specific addresses or pin specific addresses on the map -- vague blobby pins are fine. EEng 15:34, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Why "Golden State Killer"?

Why was the "East Area Rapist / Original Nightstalker" page renamed to "Golden State Killer"? To boost the book sales of a recently published book by the deceased wife of a celebrity who coined this term? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:D74:3560:D8B7:5A6F:191:97A7 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Not sure if I'd go that far. But the reason the media are mostly calling him Golden State Killer is because that's what the wikipedia article was called when he was arrested. Most national media publications would not have been that aware of the case before the arrest, and would have turned somewhere like wikipedia to get familiar with the case. I'm going to keep using Original Night Stalker because it's a better sounding name; it's what he was called for years; and there have been so many serial killers in California, it doesn't feel right that he is the only one named after the state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a02:c7d:bd4:3800:1872:4967:cdab:32f8 (talk • contribs) 21:31, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

'Golden State Killer' is uninformative, and the creation of a single crime writer. Police still use EAR/ONS. I think article should be changed back to this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathanrobert86 (talk • contribs) 23:32, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I consider myself an authority on serial killers and had never heard of the "Golden State Killer" before the recent arrest. It has always been Original Night Stalker. Wikipedia should not be used to promote sales of books. 47.137.185.148 (talk) 01:45, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

News searches (google)

• Joseph James DeAngelo site:nypost.com/2018
• allintitle: Golden State Killer site:nypost.com/2018
• allintitle: East Area Rapist site:www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime
• allintitle: Golden State Killer site:www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime
• "Joseph James DeAngelo" genealogy
• "East Area Rapist" genealogy

Z75SG61Ilunqpdb (talk) 00:30, 27 April 2018 (UTC)