Talk:Riverdale (American TV series)

Running time

"Running time: 40 minutes". On Netflix the first episode runs to 47 minutes. Even if you exclude the Netflix logo at the start and the foreign subtitling credits at the end, it's still about 46 mins 45 secs or so. So, was the first episode extra-long on the CW too, or will all episodes will significantly longer than the claimed 40 minutes (I guess we don't know yet), or does Netflix show a longer cut than the CW? 86.186.47.46 (talk) 17:22, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Creating Article for Episode list

Most major broadcast shows that have entered their second seasons have pages for episode lists (like 2016-17's Kevin Can Wait, American Housewife, Lethal Weapon, Great News). Is there any reason that Riverdale shouldn't?Tvlover19 (talk) 9:44, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Please allow the status quo to remain per the bold-revert-discussion guide, and gain a consensus to split, instead of edit-warring. As I stated, also read WP:SPLIT. There is not enough content to split away to a separate article, and there is nothing in MOS:TV that supports splitting after a second season - that sounds like something that editors have made up. A related and very similar discussion can be read at Talk:Legends of Tomorrow#Episodes page; that particular series didn't split until after a Season 3 table was created. (Also, three of those series you mentioned were split by the same editor, so it may be necessary to update them on splitting as well.) -- Alex^TW 10:00, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Last I remember was the second being the standard. Plenty of TV shows had their own episode lists by the second, as long there was enough content for the second season. After the second season, the article will be even more packed and cluttered. Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 02:54, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

See the discussion for Legends of Tomorrow which describes why we shouldn't automatically be splitting after the second season. -- Alex^TW 03:16, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

While it does say why we shouldn't, that discussion only applies to that article. It's common for TV shows to have articles split for episodes if they've been renewed for a second season and if there is enough information regarding that second season. The discussion resulted in a consensus that the article only be split after the third season for LoT, not Riverdale. Personally, if I wanted the consensus from that discussion apply here, there should also be a discussion here or perhaps, even better, at MOS:TV. Just because it was applied there, doesn't mean it should apply here unless the community has decided on it. Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 20:25, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

I personally think the article should be split. Considering there's almost double the amount of episodes as the first season. Brocicle (talk) 00:53, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Yes, it applies only to that article, but the arguments presented there apply here as well. The article does not fit the criteria of MOS:SPLIT to split. And no, there is not "most double the amount of episodes as the first season" right now. There are currently 11 episodes in the Season 2 table, only one of which has a summary. Yes, there will be 22, but there isn't right now. I'll post as MOS:TV and WP:TV. -- Alex^TW 01:40, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

As Alex stated, the arguments from the Legends discussion should be applied here as well. Somewhere down the road, general practice on TV articles were to split off episode tables to an LoE when a second season started. But honestly, that really only worked, generally, a couple years ago when all your seasons were in the 20+ episode range. Today, seasons can range anywhere from 4-23 episodes, so that old mentality can't continue. Again, the splitting was mostly a WP:SIZE and WP:SPLIT issue, but when we only have as of this comment 24 episodes listed, 14 of which have summaries, that's about equivilant to one "full" season. We are also in WP:NORUSH, so at this time I don't think it is in the best interest to split. Honestly, since this is not like the Legends scenario, and there will be more episodes total by the end of the second season, I think we should wait on splitting until a potential third season is ordered. If the series gets a renewal, and we know there will be more episodes beyond the 35 total, then we can split. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 01:56, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

I said almost double the episodes of the first season. There's confirmed 22 episodes for season 2. As the episodes air there will be more information and sources added. It seems only logical to split now in preparation but I concur with getting other opinions like Alex said. Brocicle (talk) 02:05, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

• No. See WP:SPLIT, WP:SUMMARY, WP:SPINOUT, WP:LENGTH. The gist is that we should not split articles until the main articles becomes so long is it impractical to maintain or read it. We should be merging more episode lists back into main show lists, no vice versa.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  02:39, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

This is impractical. I can give more than a dozen articles, which have more than three seasons, that require splitting. Now, if they were episode lists with no summaries, I am more than likely to agree. Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 03:04, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

I said almost double the episodes of the first season. That's not what I'm saying. Yes, there will be 22, but there are only 11 episodes currently listed for Season 2 at the moment. 14 episodes have summaries at the moment, which is about two-thirds of one typical fall series season. Only once all 22 are listed and include summaries is it worth while to split it, because then there will be enough content, but until then, it's irrelevant on how many there will be. All that is relevant is what there is currently.

I can give more than a dozen articles WP:OTHER is not a valid argument. I recommend reading the four guidelines that SMcCandlish linked, as they apply to all articles and not just non-television ones, and basing your future posts on anything from those guidelines that supports your argument. -- Alex^TW 05:54, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

• Please note: There is now a larger TV project discussion about this at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Television#List_of_episodes_-_when_to_split. Please join the discussion there too. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:25, 16 October 2017 (UTC)
• There is now a draft article for the episode page, see Draft:List of Riverdale episodes. ScottKnight02^Talk 15:03, 3 April 2018 (UTC)

Edit warring

Some editors on this page are engaged in an edit war. Per WP:BRD it is now time to discuss proposed changes/revisions. If an impasse is reached, rather than continuing to edit war, please follow the processes at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Continuing to edit war may become disruption, which may lead to blocking, even if you are right. Thanks, Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:28, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@Dlohcierekim: I'll repeat myself here as I said at Talk:List of Riverdale episodes: There already has been a discussion, at Talk:Riverdale (2017 TV series)#Creating Article for Episode list. There are just some particular editors, specifically IPs, that are choosing to ignore it. -- Alex^TW 17:30, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

@AlexTheWhovian: Annnd, they need to discuss rather than edit war. Page protection should help stimulate the discussion.Dlohcierekim (talk) 17:42, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2017

change Cody Kearsley as Marmaduke "Moose" Mason: Archie's bicurious jock friend who propositions Kevin. to Cody Kearsley as Marmaduke "Moose" Mason: Archie's bicurious jock friend who approach to Kevin. Joharbison (talk) 05:48, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

 Not done "Archie's bicurious jock friend who approach to Kevin" is grammatically incorrect. -- Alex^TW 05:59, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Episode Title References

Due to the fact that each episode is named after a little-known cult film, should we include this in the episode lists? Oftentimes when shows have an episode naming pattern, there is a reference of some format. Maybe we could just include it in the description of each episode?Avilan01 (talk) 06:21, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this? -- Alex^TW 06:38, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Source for the naming trend? After a rather shallow search I have not found a quality source confirming this. However, it is rather obvious and many fans of the show have picked up on it. If you watch the show, there are endless references to film, even lesser known films that span the decades in which the original digest has been in publication.Avilan01 (talk) 17:06, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if it' obvious or who has picked up on it. It needs a reliable source to be included in the article, else it's potentially original research and trivial. -- Alex^TW 23:42, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

Ask and ye shall receive:

• Teen Vogue
• ComicBook.com
• Popbuzz.com
• Seventeen
• Den of Geek

All it required was a little more of a look. I think its reasonable to re-add the information (using the references charitably provided by Yours Truly) back into the article. As an aside, reverting might not be your strongest suit; do a little of the heavy lifting, please. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 18:02, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Date of episodes

As per this revert here, I will point out that UPCOMING doesn't cover listing an air date that is actually referenced through a reliable source. Perhaps the reverting editor missed the referenced episode title, which offers the air date? That reference explicitly notes that the season extends into 2018. Therefore, the information added by another doesn't fall under WP:UPCOMING
I am loathe to redo the application of the year, so perhaps it would be more beneficial if someone else were to re-add the date. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:57, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Season 2, Episode 4 director

The director listed for Episode 4 of Season 2 right now on the Riverdale Wikipedia page is Allison Anders. However, the on-screen credits in the episode say the director was Jason Stone. Is there a mistake somewhere? I believe barring actual evidence to the contrary, the director should be listed on the Wikipedia page as Jason Stone, not Allison Anders. This should be fixed. 2605:6000:EB0C:C200:608D:C7EB:5B50:B53A (talk) 06:08, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

You're quite right. The episode credits Jason Stone, but the press release (which is what was being used when the episode count was updated when 2x04 aired) credits Allison Anders. Does anyone has further insight into this? -- Alex^TW 06:34, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Untitled Chilling Adventures of Sabrina TV series

Realized this wasn't noted here, but there is currently a draft article for the upcoming Netflix spin-off here for anyone who would like to help foster its development until it can be moved to the mainspace. Thanks - Favre1fan93 (talk) 19:16, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 January 2018

Please add actors Jordan Connor - Sweetpea, a Southside Serpent. Drew Ray Tanner - Fangs Fogarty, a Southside Serpent.

As recurring characters, see Riverdale IMDb for confirmation that they are, indeed, in the show. Bellemrys (talk) 05:36, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

 Not done See WP:CITINGIMDB. -- Alex^TW 14:51, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Episode Table

On the very high chance Riverdale gets a season 3, do we want to move the episodes to a separate episode page? I just feel that if we wanted to do episode descriptions for another season the page could get cluttered.--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

I see no issue with this, but only once a Season 3 table can be created, not just when it's renewed. -- Alex^TW 01:57, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh yes, definitely when season 3 starts, I was just wondering if that was something we wanted to consider. I find that the page could possibly get crowded if we add episode descriptions for a possible 22 more episodes!--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 03:20, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Riverdale Needs To Get Separate Season Pages

We need separate season pages. This is not a miniseries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Norby Lala (talk • contribs) 00:26, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

The page still fulfills the guidelines to stay as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Television#Episode_listing. As Alex stated above, and at the beginning of the page, when the season ends, or around when season 3 starts, we can reconsider moving the episodes to a separate page then.--QueerFilmNerd (talk) 03:31, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Agreed with QueerFilmNerd on the separate episode page. Norby Lala, if you wish to start separate season articles, I recommend you do so in the draft space. Whether it is a miniseries or not is irrelevant - not all actual television series require season articles. -- Alex^TW 07:34, 26 March 2018 (UTC)

Pinging MyNameIsASDF in this. See also the above discussion/s. -- Alex^TW 00:05, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Episode Title References II

Hey @AlexTheWhovian: so I noticed above there was a discussion about the epsiode title references, and was wondering if it would be okay if I added in which films each episode is a reference to, similar to may how Switched at Birth has their episode title references laid out. Just wanted to check first before doing anything! --QueerFilmNerd (talk) 17:58, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

typo in Music

should be a space after the comma in the first sentence:

Musical performances are featured throughout the series,a blend of cover versions and originals.

--71.121.143.111 (talk) 10:28, 2 May 2018 (UTC)