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Failed GA review - Cyprus article

Hi all

I have returned after some time away after only being around erratically for the last seven months and am glad to be back editing !! WOOHOO !!

I am a bit concerned that the Cyprus page is going downhill. I have tried to get things back in order but am fighting a losing battle. The article was up for review and unfortunately this was during one of my absent periods. I had warned people that the review would happen, and am dissapointed to find it failed on basic issues such as POV, inaccuracies, cite needed etc.

I will be back on it fully over the weekend, weeding out those little peacock sentences and trying to stop problems with namings/they started it/what about the war etc from getting in the way of Good article status.

As before I will state once again that I am totally neutral in this article, if anything I would like to see Cyprus Cypriot again, not Greek or Turkish but only the population can heal that wound.

People need to put aside their differences and allow this important article to reach its potential, it is somewhere that all Cypriots should be proud to look and is after all an advert for your country and what it has acheived.

thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 23:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi there, we need to put aside any pride and emotions whatsoever, and be objective. the point here is, or t least that's what it's supposed to be, objective history. Disappointingly enough, there are many inaccuracies in this page. I could say why but I won't, because as I said the point here is objective history and facts that happenned, not opinions. TMT was created in 1958. It was created years before that, and many people who were young then and still alive now, witnessed then TMT announcemennts on walls stating 'Ya taksim, ya olum', which means 'Division or death' in Turkish. Sadly, internet users are correct to regard Wikipedia as a non reliable resource. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.169.207.53 (talk) 18:44, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

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Also, Mr Veniamin who was Minister of Interior Affairs in the 60's, mentions proofs according to which the Turkish Cypriots were importing weapons with the assistance of TMT before the Republic of Cyprus was formed, during the British occupation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.169.207.53 (talk) 18:46, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

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Idol of Pomos photo

Hello Cypriot compatriots! I'm not sure if this is the right place to request photos, but Idol of Pomos could use one. The previous photo there was copyrighted and replaceable so it had to be deleted. For reference, the photo still exists at el:Αρχείο:Pomos idol.jpg. I'm not sure if there is any issue with taking photos in the Cyprus Museum but that's where it's on display. I would imagine the museum has other good photo candidates too. -kotra (talk) 18:51, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kapouti

Can you assist in expanding the Kapouti article. English sources tells me that this is a real village but they do not provide enough data for me to draft an article. Perhaps you have other non-English sources to improve it?--Lenticel ^(talk) 05:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Kothropita

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Text to be added to Turkish settlements

I propose adding the following passage to all Turkish settlement pages:

Turkish settlements are illegal under the municipal law of Cyprus. Judge Loukēs G. Loukaidēs claims that such settlements are illegal under international law and the Permanent Court of International Justice stated that repartition of Turkish settlers must take place to eliminate consequences of the "illegal act" of settlement.

Thoughts? Chesdovi (talk) 13:05, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

References

Masri145's edit

If you have time, could you see Talk:North Cyprus#"Turkish Cypriot pseudo state" ? Takabeg (talk) 10:22, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Northern Cyprus — ongoing quest for neutral lead section

Please see Talk:Northern Cyprus#Neutral Lead. There has been an ongoing, not very successful effort to come up with neutral language for the lead section of this article. Basically, what some people feel is neutral, other people insist is POV. Comments? — Richwales (talk) 07:29, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Any need of North Cyprus photographs

Good morning, As I have previously visited North Cyprus, I was thinking if I do have any photograph that would of any interest concerning Wikipedia. If so, please let me know.78.188.214.59 (talk) 21:02, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Galateia needs help

The article Galateia is in need of a complete rewrite because of systematic anti-Turkish bias and lack of any sources for its allegations. There’s essentially no content beyond unsourced allegations. I don’t read Turkish so I can’t make use of the Turkish article (and Google Translate makes a hash of it). Tkinias (talk) 14:37, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

WikiWomen's History Month

Hi everyone. March is Women's History Month and I'm hoping a few folks here at WP:Cyprus will have interest in putting on events (on and off wiki) related to women's roles in Cyprus's history, society and culture. We've created an event page on English Wikipedia (please translate!) and I hope you'll find the inspiration to participate. These events can take place off wiki, like edit-a-thons, or on wiki, such as themes and translations. Please visit the page here: WikiWomen's History Month. Thanks for your consideration and I look forward to seeing events take place! SarahStierch (talk) 21:47, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Proposed merger

Hello folks, just to let you know I've proposed a merger of United Nations Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus and United Nations Buffer Zone in Cyprus - would be very grateful for any comments at Talk:United Nations Peacekeeping Force in Cyprus#Merge discussion. Many thanks in advance, SalopianJames (talk) 08:22, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Probation/sanctions for this general topic area?

I would like to propose getting "article probation" or some other form of sanctions enacted for the Cyprus topic area — similar to what is already in place for various other chronic edit-warring magnets (such as Macedonia, Kosovo, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the Northern Ireland "Troubles").

Several articles dealing with Cyprus have, as far as I'm aware, been subjected to non-consensus-seeking argument and disruptive editing (including banned sock activity) for years, over such matters as how Northern Cyprus should be described; whether the northern portion of Nicosia should have its own dedicated article; whether the Nicosia article should deal with the northern portion of the city at all; whether any of the historical events surrounding the partition of the island can properly be characterized as an "invasion"; and which sets of photos should be used to illustrate various articles.

I harbour no illusions here that getting "article probation" or "discretionary sanctions" will magically make all the contentious disruptive activity go away. But I do feel this step may help raise the Wikipedia community's awareness of the ongoing problems here, and it may get more eyes focussed on these articles.

The idea was recently raised that, since Greece and Turkey are so intimately linked to all things Cyprus, perhaps the existing sanctions regarding "topics related to the Balkans, broadly interpreted" (arising out of a 2007 ArbCom case about Macedonia) could apply here. However, this would seem to be a stretch, and I think more explicit and more narrowly focussed attention to the Cyprus topic would make more sense.

Here is a link to the description of ArbCom-imposed standard "discretionary sanctions" — WP:AC/DS. Other possible steps which have been applied to various topic areas could include WP:1RR; stricter requirements for respecting WP:RS; more stringent insistence that content disputes must be handled civilly and consensus must be respected; and specific prohibitions on the use of multiple accounts or proxy configurations when editing articles.

What do others think about this? What sorts of sanction requirements do you feel would be appropriate? Is anyone staunchly opposed to the idea? And does anyone know if this idea has been floated in the past but failed to get anywhere? — Richwales 18:40, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Everyone please be advised that I'm going to be proposing (at WP:RFAR) that the existing WP:ARBMAC discretionary sanctions (applying to the Balkans) should be expanded/clarified to cover Cyprus-related articles. — Richwales 06:19, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Merge proposals

Afternoon everyone, just to let you all know that I've got three merge proposals onging on Cyprus military history related subjects and I thought this project may be interested and wish to comment. The proposals are:

• RAF Nicosia into Nicosia International Airport (discussion)
• Operation Atilla into Turkish invasion of Cyprus (discussion) Merged
• Sovereign Base Areas with Akrotiri and Dhekelia (discussion)

Any comments would be very much appreciated. Regards, SalopianJames (talk) 14:36, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

A reminder, if I may, for any interested editors to please take part in the ongoing discussions as part of this set, which have not yet achieved full consensus. Thanks, SalopianJames (talk) 11:00, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Amendment request declined

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Nikos Sampson

I'd like to request expert attention please for the article Nikos Sampson. The article was already a battleground of POV-pushing and WP:Original research, but a certain editor is currently adding POV analysis, talk in the article page and personal recollections in lieu of WP:Reliable sources. Help and advice would be welcome. Thanks, Lone boatman (talk) 15:05, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Turkish settlements

Would it be appropriate to categorise ocupied villages that are solely inhabited by Turkish mainland settlers such as Mousoulita, Prastio (Famagusta), Marathovounos, Flamoudi, Angastina, Achyritou, Nikitas, Pentayia, Livera, Orka, Ayios Ermolaos, Filia, Kontemenos - Turksih settlements, as with Israeli settlements? Chesdovi (talk) 16:40, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

People are doing this but I think each of those villages and towns should be referred to as Turkish occupied village or towns that have been re-settled by Turkish refugees or Turkish settlers.

Christos Christos Evangeli (talk) 23:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

A map of Larnaca District that can handle geocoding

I have tried to find a map of the Larnaca District so that geocoding in articles about villages and archaeological sites, will help show where the subject is located within the district. How does one ask for such a map to be created (or located)? I have searched on other wikipedias without success. --The long road homw (talk) 19:37, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

This [1] list does not include archaeological sites in the district. --The long road homw (talk) 20:04, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Notability of a church in the city of Larnaca

Agios Ioannis Prodromos does not have text or references to show notability. Is it an old church? Is there anything (else) notable about the church? From web searches I find only find other institutions in Larnaca District, and other places in Cyprus and in Greece. I can not read Greek. --The long road homw (talk) 15:23, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Pygmalion issues help wanted

I have been attempting to refine improper linking to Pygmalion (play) and Pygmalion (mythology), and I could use some assistance cleaning up {{Pygmalion}}, {{Pygmalion navbox}}, and {{My Fair Lady}} (the latter two which I have recently created). I have posted some particular issues at Talk:Pygmalion (play)#Template:Pygmalion. Please feel free to jump in and edit the templates or leave comments there.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:48, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Featured article candidate

I have enter an article of WikiProject Cyprus as a Featured article candidate. Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Nea Salamis Famagusta FC/archive1. But someone say that the article meets the prose criterion (1a) at the moment. well-written: its prose is engaging, even brilliant, and of a professional standard; The problem is that language is not my first language, so i may made some mistakes. Can you please read the article and correct it? Xaris333 (talk) 14:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Cypriots

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Diorios Logo.jpg

image:Diorios Logo.jpg has been nominated for deletion -- 70.24.244.158 (talk) 07:16, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

English exonyms for place names

English_exonyms#Cyprus. Is there a full article that can be linked to? Can someone check this please. See also article Talk. Many thanks. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

AfC submission

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Origin of the Supreme Court of Cyprus. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 18:50, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of 2014 Cyprus Joint Declaration for deletion

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Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses

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Greek placename transliterations

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Discussion to move Karavostasi

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Problem with the density figure

Hello!

Following a change by an IP address of the density figure on the French Wikipedia, I noticed that there is indeed a problem with the current figure for population density in the Cyprus infobox: 90.7/km².

Indeed, dividing the total area of Cyprus (9,251 km² according to article), which includes North Cyprus et al. by the census population (840,407 [2]) which only covers "government-controlled area" produces an inaccurate density figure. There are only two correct figures:

• total population divided by total area
• population of the government-controlled part divided by government-controlled area

I am not a specialist enough to find reliable figures for either population or area, can someone please help? Here's what I could find:

• Census 2011 population: 840,407 as revised on 2013-11-06 by the Statistical office
• Est. population including North Cyprus: 1,104,000 in 2010 according to UN World Population prospect
• Area: according to infobox, 9,251 km² for the whole of Cyprus including 3,355 km² for North Cyprus

These figures give a density of 119.3/km² for the whole of Cyprus, and 142.5/km² excluding North Cyprus. An accurate figure would make sure that numerator and denominator are consistent regarding the UN buffer zone (346 km², around 10,000 inhabitants) and Akrotiri and Dhekelia (254 km², around 7,500 Cypriot inhabitants plus 8,000 British troops), but I'm unable to check that. It's not a small matter, including or excluding them would bring density "excluding North Cyprus" anywhere between 123/km² and 165/km². If you agree with these figures, I suggest uploading these figures into the article, and related pages (such as List of sovereign states and dependent territories by population density). Place Clichy (talk) 13:16, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

I responded on Talk:Cyprus. Fern 24 (talk) 17:39, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Thousands of cityscape and other images of Cyprus may be deleted from Commons

Please see discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)#Two_weeks_to_save_freedom_of_panorama_in_Europe. I think it is an item of major interest to the editors interested in this WikiProject. The (very underestimated) counts for how many images may be affected have been posted to commons:Commons_talk:Freedom_of_Panorama_2015#numbers. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:03, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your notice. Actually, four images of Cyprus would be affect, not a very large number at all. Still, I think pressuring MEP's is important, even if not for our sakes. Fern 24 (talk) 09:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)