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[[User:EMsmile|EMsmile]] asked me to take a look at this article. I did have a quick peek a few weeks ago and it struck me as a bit of a mess. I don't have access to sources, but I can give a common-sense scrub-up (i.e. flagging up or dealing with inconsistencies or repetitions). I'll see what I can do. I dont' know how many articles there are on overlapping definitions (e.g. [[Third World]]), but it strikes me that one article about poor countries ought to be brought to GA if not FA standards. A whole team will be needed; what is the best WikiProject to attempt to enlist? [[User:Carbon Caryatid|Carbon Caryatid]] ([[User talk:Carbon Caryatid|talk]]) 20:40, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
[[User:EMsmile|EMsmile]] asked me to take a look at this article. I did have a quick peek a few weeks ago and it struck me as a bit of a mess. I don't have access to sources, but I can give a common-sense scrub-up (i.e. flagging up or dealing with inconsistencies or repetitions). I'll see what I can do. I dont' know how many articles there are on overlapping definitions (e.g. [[Third World]]), but it strikes me that one article about poor countries ought to be brought to GA if not FA standards. A whole team will be needed; what is the best WikiProject to attempt to enlist? [[User:Carbon Caryatid|Carbon Caryatid]] ([[User talk:Carbon Caryatid|talk]]) 20:40, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
:I've now done what I can. I had to go back and forth to [[developed country]] (which I left untouched). In that both are defined in common language as polar opposites and in terms of each other, might it be an idea to agree on one main article (perhaps even a new one) that would define and describe both, and then not have contradictory claims in the daughter articles? Just thinking aloud. [[User:Carbon Caryatid|Carbon Caryatid]] ([[User talk:Carbon Caryatid|talk]]) 11:53, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
:I've now done what I can. I had to go back and forth to [[developed country]] (which I left untouched). In that both are defined in common language as polar opposites and in terms of each other, might it be an idea to agree on one main article (perhaps even a new one) that would define and describe both, and then not have contradictory claims in the daughter articles? Just thinking aloud. [[User:Carbon Caryatid|Carbon Caryatid]] ([[User talk:Carbon Caryatid|talk]]) 11:53, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
:: Great, thanks so much for your work. The article has benefited greatly from it. Just one small thing that I changed back: I do think we need a section heading called "criticism", which perhaps gets expanded a little if people have the relevant references at hand. I often hear people say "I don't like the term 'developing country'" so I think it helps to have that section on criticism. However, when I first started with the article it had all its focus on terminology and criticism but very little on what these types of countries have in common. I think we should not get too hung up about those definitions. If someone wants to call it "Countries of Type X" I would be fine with it too. What I am trying to explain to laypersons is what kinds of challenges these "countries of Type X" have in common. And there are lots. Climate vulnerability (something I just added yesterday), energy poverty, lack of sanitation etc. I think this is more important than just the theories around the term "developing". I'd also like to build up the section on "Opportunities" (to make it sound less doom and gloom) but my expertise is more in the area of the challenges (I come from the sanitation sector side). So I would rely on others to help with the "opportunities" section. - I don't see contradictory claims in the sub-articles - which ones do you mean? And what would an overarching article be called? Perhaps "Country categories", or "List of country groupings"? I could imagine a list type article, a bit like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_pond . Maybe that's helpful although there are so many similar terms (see the first sentence of this article where I have tried to now mention the main ones). So there would be a huge grouping of terms that are all synonymous of developing countries and a huge grouping of terms that are synonyms of developed countries. Is that what you had in mind?[[User:EMsmile|EMsmile]] ([[User talk:EMsmile|talk]]) 13:01, 5 May 2018 (UTC)


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Peer Review

I really like the idea of adding the new section of "Growth" and it will be great to correct grammar mistakes. User:1993vl

1993jl (talk) 22:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Peer Review

Grammar is really important in this types of articles because it gives them more reliability. The work you are doing in cleaning up all the grammar mistakes in the article is vital. Your Growth section looks like it will be really interesting for the readers of this article. The sub sections look really interesting I am looking forward in reading them, this is a really broad topic so try to cover as much information and reasons as possible. Great Work. User:1993vl

1994ac (talk) 22:04, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What does this mean?

The phrase "an unfetted advocate of free market rapi" needs to get fixed by someone who has some idea what it might be intended to meam. Poihths (talk) 22:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC) Poihths (talk) 22:10, 4 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Improve section on public health risks

The section on public health risks could be beefed up and become its own section rather than be under "trends". I haven't worked on this article before so I am just wondering if others have thought about this in the past. EMsmile (talk) 12:24, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a bit of work on this but it needs more work. See also below. EMsmile (talk) 02:54, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Improve section on common characteristics

I've done some work on a new section on common characteristics. I think this is important for laypersons to grasp some of the problems that people in developing countries are dealing with. I looked around in related Wikipedia articles to see if there was a good description anywhere. So far, I have not found much yet. However, I did find this paragaph under Third World and am thinking of perhaps moving and updating it to here (the word "Third World" would be replaced with "developing country"). However, this could also open up a mine field as there might be many controversial issues there. What do you think? This is the paragraph in question:

However, despite decades of receiving aid and experiencing different development models (which have had very little success), many Third World countries' economies are still dependent on developed countries, and are deep in debt.[1] There is now a growing debate about why Third World countries remain impoverished and underdeveloped after all this time. Many argue that current methods of aid are not working and are calling for reducing foreign aid (and therefore dependency) and utilizing different economic theories than the traditional mainstream theories from the West.[2] Historically, development and aid have not accomplished the goals they were meant to, and currently the global gap between the rich and poor is greater than ever,[3] though not everybody agrees with this.[4] EMsmile (talk) 02:54, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think I am making good progress on this section on common characteristics (still not finished). I've just added a sub-section on global warming. Will still do more work on that.EMsmile (talk) 13:13, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Overview, revamp, proposal

EMsmile asked me to take a look at this article. I did have a quick peek a few weeks ago and it struck me as a bit of a mess. I don't have access to sources, but I can give a common-sense scrub-up (i.e. flagging up or dealing with inconsistencies or repetitions). I'll see what I can do. I dont' know how many articles there are on overlapping definitions (e.g. Third World), but it strikes me that one article about poor countries ought to be brought to GA if not FA standards. A whole team will be needed; what is the best WikiProject to attempt to enlist? Carbon Caryatid (talk) 20:40, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've now done what I can. I had to go back and forth to developed country (which I left untouched). In that both are defined in common language as polar opposites and in terms of each other, might it be an idea to agree on one main article (perhaps even a new one) that would define and describe both, and then not have contradictory claims in the daughter articles? Just thinking aloud. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 11:53, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Great, thanks so much for your work. The article has benefited greatly from it. Just one small thing that I changed back: I do think we need a section heading called "criticism", which perhaps gets expanded a little if people have the relevant references at hand. I often hear people say "I don't like the term 'developing country'" so I think it helps to have that section on criticism. However, when I first started with the article it had all its focus on terminology and criticism but very little on what these types of countries have in common. I think we should not get too hung up about those definitions. If someone wants to call it "Countries of Type X" I would be fine with it too. What I am trying to explain to laypersons is what kinds of challenges these "countries of Type X" have in common. And there are lots. Climate vulnerability (something I just added yesterday), energy poverty, lack of sanitation etc. I think this is more important than just the theories around the term "developing". I'd also like to build up the section on "Opportunities" (to make it sound less doom and gloom) but my expertise is more in the area of the challenges (I come from the sanitation sector side). So I would rely on others to help with the "opportunities" section. - I don't see contradictory claims in the sub-articles - which ones do you mean? And what would an overarching article be called? Perhaps "Country categories", or "List of country groupings"? I could imagine a list type article, a bit like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treatment_pond . Maybe that's helpful although there are so many similar terms (see the first sentence of this article where I have tried to now mention the main ones). So there would be a huge grouping of terms that are all synonymous of developing countries and a huge grouping of terms that are synonyms of developed countries. Is that what you had in mind?EMsmile (talk) 13:01, 5 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "First, Second and Third World"
  2. ^ Mehmet, Ozay, (1995). Mainstream economic development theories have failed to come up with a model that appropriately supports development in the Third World. Westernizing the Third World (Ch 1), Routledge
  3. ^ Westra, Richard (2011). "Renewing Socialist Development in the Third World", Journal of Contemporary Asia, 41(4): 519-543.
  4. ^ Korotayev A., Zinkina J. On the structure of the present-day convergence. Campus-Wide Information Systems. Vol. 31 No. 2/3, 2014, pp. 139-152
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