Talk:Gammon (insult)

This is not a notable subject and should be deleted. The entire entry is baseless journalistic tittle-tattle and is beneath wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.30.210.68 (talk) 00:52, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Agree. Not every single descriptor in British political discourse needs its own wikipedia article. 95.150.241.129 (talk) 02:02, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia should not be used as a political battleground the middle section should be r removed — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.114.48.186 (talk) 14:30, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Seems quite reasonable to me to have an article on this. It has been discussed widely in the UK press for one thing, and it has a fair number of sources about it. Wikipedia is often the first place people come to look up information, so it would be odd if there was no article on it. The objections raised above don't seem particularly relevant. There is no criteria for what is "beneath" Wikipedia, and it's not a political background either. If editors feel there is another side to anything said, the obvious solution is for example to put in the views of some other newspaper columnists. John Smith's (talk) 17:16, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

"Gammon is a pejorative term used to describe older, often working class[1], white men" This isn't true. It's often used to describe older, bigoted middle class white men. The cited article is trying to subvert the common usage for rhetorical purposes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.187.165.98 (talk) 17:26, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Concur. There's a rather marked debate going on between people who appear to actually be working class who agree that gammon primarily describes certain middle-class "golf club types", and people who appear to be Defending The Working Class who insist that it's exclusively working-class. Give it a couple of days and that will probably have made it into print. ;p Vashti (talk) 15:54, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

(for the record and acknowledging WP:NOR, I consider myself working-class and I don't recognise my family or the various communities I've lived in in what appear to be accepted as "gammon types") Vashti (talk) 15:55, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Corbyn

We can't do this, I'm afraid - just like we probably shouldn't quote the rest of the Guardian article which describes gammons as "middle-aged, right-leaning white men who won’t stop railing against a system they feel is working against them, even though they are ultimately among its greatest beneficiaries" and "like the skin tone of almost every furious, spittle-mouthed wingnut ever to scream borderline racist nearly-questions at the panel on Question Time".

It's already done. Wikipedia has an article on "Rednecks". This seems to be the UK's equivalent pejorative. Indeed, the UK term seems to be far older with a reference in the article to an 1838 usage by Charles Dickens. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Railhis (talk • contribs) 22:44, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

For what it's worth, 'gammon' is not quite the UK equivalent of 'redneck', as it refers predominately to middle-class people, whilst redneck is overwhelmingly used to describe rural working class people.