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Overqualified?

Here's a first: my years of writing and reviewing FAs disqualifies me from making MoS fixes to articles owned by the "little people". Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:24, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know...

...that aikido, kendo, and to a lesser extent judo and karate all originated in Asia but are now practiced primarily by westerners? That's the impression I get from the (distribution of) photographs in our articles on them, anyway.

Seriously, it's really weird that the infobox of the aikido article lists famous practitioners who are all but two Japanese, and Japan has won the kendo world championships something like ten times as often as every other country combined, but our articles make it look like they have since the nineteenth century been primarily non-Japanese phenomena. The judo and karate articles are a little less problematic (primarily because few of the faces are visible), but the photos there come across as vanity picks taken by the parents of the subjects. (Yes, I know the faces are all concealed in the kendo article, but the European names of the subjects, who appear to be non-famous private individuals, are all visible.)

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:54, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's unsurprising. Most of those editing these articles—and taking and uploading images—would be Westerners, wouldn't they? Compounded by the fact that ja.wp perhaps is less active than it could be—from what I understand, de.wp is more active with a smaller population of speakers, for instance. That's not the type of "bias" that deserves finger-pointing, but still requires correction. I'm surprised you even mentioned karate, though—the only photo of non-Japanese in that one is from the Philippines.

I don't know how much of a photographer you are (I'm pretty shitty), but this could be an opportunity to not only correct the bias, but add some appropriate photos to the articles—say, a gallery of the various techniques. Or enlist a helpful friend willing to donate their work. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:36, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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If I may take the liberty of some unsolicited advice...

As a completely uninvolved editor, can I make the suggestion that whatever your viewpoint, and however aggravated you might be, knock it off at EEng's Place. Rightly or wrongly you seem to be committed to a headlong charge at the line... Slow down, back off and cool down before you happen to cross it. Have an otherwise lovely night, --Jack Frost (talk) 09:58, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It would be nice if the editwarrior would fix his fuckups after having admitted they were fuckups, instead of going off the hinges with bizarre mind games. Maybe a completely uninvolved editor could step in and fix it? He's made it clear I'm not allowed to touch the article. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:51, 8 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	ō! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 08:12, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ōōōm! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:42, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Your edits at Ran

That was quite a sequence of edits on the film Ran which you did. Any interest on your part to possibly review it if I do the GA nomination. JohnWickTwo (talk) 02:49, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

JohnWickTwo: I could maybe go over the text, but I doubt I could work up the motivation to do a proper GAN review. A couple things: the plot synopsis is really long. WP:FILMPLOT calls for a synopsis of between 400 and 700 words or readable prose—the current one is 1050 words. Another thing is that there are still a lot of unsourced statements—it'll never pass GAN with unsourced statements (except for the plot). Another: I don't know how best to handle this, but I don't think it's a good idea to gloss 乱 as "chaos", partly because the title is obviously supposed to have multiple meanings ("chaos" as well as "war"/"rebellion"). Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:53, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies

Hi Curly, I just wanted to offer a quick apology for this edit. I was moving too fast and misclicked the rollback button, I undid it but with errors like that I'd prefer to apologize personally. Best wishes.--Church ^Talk 08:58, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Church—don't worry about it. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:36, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians who like Black Mirror

Hey! I saw that you edited the article Black Mirror and thought maybe you would be interested in this new user category I created?-🐦Do☭torWho42 (⭐) 12:01, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Heh! Actually, I only watched the one episode after reading about parallels with the new system going in in China. Maybe someday! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:53, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tamahime

If you want the page to be removed, ask for it.Xx236 (talk) 11:52, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's being linked to from Japanese articles for a historical figure named Tamahime, so there should likely be an article for it—but it shouldn't be redirecting to a film with a different title. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

O Canada!

All these politically-motivated changes to the national anthem are getting under my skin. We should go back to Weir's original translation—gender-neutral and secular:

O Canada! Our home and native land!

True patriot love thou dost in us command.

We see thee rising fair, dear land,

The True North, strong and free;

And stand on guard, O Canada,

We stand on guard for thee.

O Canada! O Canada!

O Canada! We stand on guard for thee.

... although cramming the three-syllable pa-tri-ot into two still sticks in my craw. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:13, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Suddenly steamrolled AFDs?

Hey, I was looking back at the contribs of one of my alt-accounts for reasons just now, and remembered this for the first time in a long time; it was 3-1 in favour of deletion for almost a full week, and then within a single day five more people suddenly showed up and all !voted to keep and a non-admin closes it having clearly not read the discussion (one of the unambiguous delete !votes became a "maybe" and another was completely ignored, and the timing made it anything but WP:SNOW). And this was apparently the result of a WikiProject that was at least in that case used for the specific purpose of canvassing keep !votes in AFDs: I don't recall ever encountering them again, but the project doesn't seem to have been formally retired, so if it still serves that function it really seems like a problem.

This reminded me a bit of what happened at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Korean influence on Japanese culture; the latter obviously shouldn't be re-opened given the great work you, Nish and others did to fix the article (at least to the point that WP:TNT no longer applies), but I'm really wondering about Mottainai. Apparently no one has done any work in the last five years to fix its problems or demonstrate how it is not a dictionary entry combined with a puff piece to promote a social programme, and I'm really not convinced the original deletion rationales don't apply (and the close was way out of line).

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:50, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeesh—I remember when I first came to Japan, it was going around that "there's no word for mottainai in English" ... do people still believe that? It's a meme I haven't heard since the 20th century, anyways. Scanning the article, it looks like horseshit to me, but that's problably mostly the fault of the sources. It'll survive another AfD unless you can be really convincing that the sources themselves are full of shit.

I didn't do any "great work" on the "Korean influence" article—I just did a lot of copyediting. I doubt I ever looked at any of the sources. I was less aware of how bad the nationalists could get with articles like this—I definitely think there should be an article on the topic (in an ideal world), but had no idea what a headache maintenance of it would be.

I lean pretty "inclusionist", even with the bullshit it brings. I might make an exception for political articles—they're all hopeless timesinks. Nuke 'em all. Wikipedia's not the place to inform yourself on the Israel–Palestine conflict. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:09, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The night is dark and full of terrors. And terrible shocks. As in ... wow: I nominated an article for deletion five years ago under a sock account I had forgotten about, the AFD was steamrolled due to inappropriate canvassing on a forum that was dedicated to such inappropriate canvassing (which I don't remember noticing at the time) and is still active, and then when I consider asking our most prominent deletionist (whom I'd defended in a bunch of "This user nominated my article for deletion; they should be blocked" ANI threads) if they're familiar with the problem, I find out that a month ago they were blocked for undisclosed socking going back the better part of a decade. I mean -- what!? The whole world has gone topsy-turvy. Is this Star Trek? I'm going to go get crucified upside-down now. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:38, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. Our Acts of Peter article is garbage, but I didn't know that, and I figured linking it would make the meaning of my reference clear. Basically, Peter decides to be crucified upside-down because Adam entered the world head-first, and since Adam's day Sin has been in the world and turned everything on its head, so only by being upside-down can Peter see everything as it is meant to be. Or something along those lines. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:43, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I can't figure out who the sock is ... ?

You won't get the article deleted, even if it is pure bull. It even cites a scholarly article that flatly claims "The word “mottainai” is a part of the Japanese religious and cultural heritage" (even if that has zero to do with the word's contemporary, everyday usage). The idea that it's "a cultural practice" is hard to swallow, but—it's "sourced"! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:42, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, my latter two comments above had nothing to do with the mottainai article. In fact my first comment above was about weird AFD closures, where there is a clear consensus to delete, until a whole bunch of people suddenly show up and !vote keep, and only then is the discussion closed (by a non-admin who clearly should never close AFDs where the result is anything other than SNOW keep).

Anyway, Daijirin implies the term has a (basically unrelated) Shintoist (not Buddhist) sense that means defiling a sacred space or object, but honestly for all I know (for all Daijirin tells me since it doesn't actually mention Shinto) that's actually a Jewish sense that was used in early Japanese bible translations, since Leviticus and Numbers are full of that stuff. And then we get into the whole "Ancient Israelite religion and Japanese Shinto both have ritual impurity concepts; the Japanese must be descended from the Lost Ten Tribes" mess...

The sock is SwisterTwister (talk · contribs), and I was really surprised and awed at what had happened there, since ST had been a mainstay of the community (particularly AFDs and the various ANI threads people started about him as a result) for years and had a basically clean block log. My having discovered this within an hour or so of my discovering the ARS was really shaking me (to the point where I actually lost sleep; in order to get an extra thirty minutes in bed this morning I had to grab an 朝マクド on the way to work).

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:09, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Japanese-Jewish common ancestry theory—!!!—I see so many MoS fixes I desparately want to make in this article, but ... but ... I don't want my name showing up in the edit history ... Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:48, 8 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're right to be careful. I just Googled my own username and found out that as having once made some minor edit to an article on the alt-right, and another on a Twilight film (?), I am now being credited as one of the co-authors of "books" on those topics. I'd hate to think about people who edit under their real names... Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I could see how my assertion that I'm on your talk at all is merely because of my interest in how things actually are done here might be taken with some skepticism, but I have to say this made my blood run cold. I hope you don't mind me asking, how prevalent would you say this kind of thing is? Am I just being naive here? What the actual fuck? Gabriel syme (talk) 02:10, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are companies out there that put on print-on-demand books of Wikipedia content. They come up in Google Books all the time: Here's an example. They sell them on Amazon, etc. It's all totally legal and everything, as long as they credit the contributors. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:21, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the reply, ok, wow. Did I accidentally choose a 'safe' username because the top hundred hits are always going to be about literature? I guess I had a vague implicit idea of printing articles out, with the, yeah, naive notion that it was a small scale thing, mostly used by educators. But damn I should've known there'd be an industry mining it for filthy lucre, why not? It just has terrifying implications. Uh, has it ever ended up in a situation where mass puppets show up, rewrite articles, and then go to press with something that blatantly violates what the community is working towards? This is why I shamelessly scan people's talk pages. Gabriel syme (talk) 02:50, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't heard of it, but I'd be surprised if it never happened. And you'd still get your name listed as a contributor to such filth! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:58, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Curly Turkey: If it was something you were interested in, you could email me the gist of the non-controversial fixes you want made and when I had time I could go in and take care of it? I hope that's not out of line in any way. Gabriel syme (talk) 19:23, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but what do you mean? Fixes to what? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, my bad. I meant like the MOS stuff at Japanese-Jewish common ancestry theory and similar. I've found that I really enjoy sweeping the dust bunnies out of dark corners. unsourced fishing advice, even. This is one of the strangest things I've ever involved myself with and I want to see where it goes. Gabriel syme (talk) 03:56, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh! I was just exaggerating about that—I'm not actually afraid anything would happen to me. I just find that kind of article ... icky ...

It looks like someone named Hairy Dude just made the corrections yesterday that I would've, anyways. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:09, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

HA! Ok that's fair, I've been noticing that I'm pretty thickheaded about humor, exaggeration, and low-key irony here. It's my first real attempt at online communication since I was a teenager and that's definitely part of my learning curve. You've been really helpful, if you have a few spare moments, would you mind taking a look at this online worksheet I made to help onboarding people at this art+feminism wikithon signup I'm working on Saturday? I'd really appreciate any comments. Gabriel syme (talk) 04:26, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It looks fine at first glance, but did you mean for "Wikipedia Manual of Style" to link to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Contents rather than Wikipedia:Manual of Style? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:32, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I absolutely did. I was relying on the base MOS for a while and then I found that table of contents and that is exactly what I needed, neatly categorized. Whoever built that needs some praise. Gabriel syme (talk) 04:34, 23 February 2018 (UTC) PS: What's the trick to make this wrap back around to the left when we are creeping off the page like this? PPS: I guess my keyboard makes a nonstandard hyphen? There must be a way to fix that right?[reply]

You can use {{od}} ("outdent"). Your keyboard makes a standard hyphen, but what you're looking for is an en dash (see MOS:DASH). It's pretty hairsplitting, especially outside of article space—feel free to revert it if you don't like it. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:59, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That is an hairsplittingly strange issue, but I get it. My gut instinct is always to standardize something that seemingly minor, hence the PS. Thanks for the wrapping trick! Gabriel syme (talk) 05:32, 23 February 2018 (UTC) Although, now that I'm looking at it, it made this all less readable...[reply]

This just went in my pocket as a very compelling argument for me to get people into editing. It's, uh, just alot more actually important that most of the internet. Thanks. Gabriel syme (talk) 03:15, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Gabriel syme: The worst part, though, is that under Wikipedia's free license (the same one that allows those books to be published), if someone plagiarizes text and adds it to an article, they are essentially releasing someone else's copyrighted material for anyone to reprint free of charge. This is super-serious and is the main reason COPYVIO text and images need to be deleted and removed from public view, and why it's really concerning that even "long-time editor[s] [with thousands of edits]"[1] don't "get" it. Checking that shit is extremely tedious work, and doing it without the prior consent of either the community or ArbCom essentially leaves one open to being accused of "hounding". Regardless of the actual definition of hounding. I'd be willing to bet that well over 70% of "hounding" accusations are either (a) hypocritical attacks made by bonafide hounds[2] or (b) attempts to shoot down scrutiny on counter-policy actions by either the counter-policy editors or teir friends. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:24, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Repinging User:Gabriel syme. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 04:25, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hijiri88: Well, yeah, that looks like one of the most frustrating tasks imaginable. I guess I never put much critical thought into the potential for abuse represented by the tools, license, and policy here. That might be an area I'd be interested in once I've gotten a solid handle on things and have more time to devote. As far as hounding, wow, I really could have used that diff a few months back. I'll admit I might have been letting myself be baited but the editor was just obnoxiously following me to multiple areas they'd never touched. Thanks for the reply. Gabriel syme (talk) 19:19, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

!!! ... now I'm going to have to try that ... I did once come across a quote from my Comics article in a book. Not "one of those 'books'", but an actual book. That felt good! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:11, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

... and the first one that comes up is Death Conspiracy Theories. What in the flying fuck did I edit! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:12, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

...I also noticed some Redditor expressing sympathy for a certain banned editor's (not Til Eulenspiegel's) remarks comparing me to a Nazi, based on a very specific date range during which I made the mistake of fixing some links in an article on a neo-Nazi website roughly a week after I made a bunch of edits to Norse mythology articles and articles on characters in the novels of R. A. Salvatore (with names like "Wulfgar") back in 2005. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:59, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Were you editing any child porn articles that week? If not, you'll just have to try harder to discredit yourself next time. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:06, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Show Preview" button

Without wanting to be pedantic, and it's likely that you are already fully aware of this, but for the sake of those who check diffs, it would make a "diff" if the number of changes to any given section that appear in the article history and on our watchlists could be minimized....I try to remember to use the "Show Preview" button until I am sure that the changes are what I want. For example, your group of 21 edits to Singular they would have appeared as 10-11 edits instead, much easier to look through. I have sinned against this myself often enough, and it is just a suggestion... Clean Copy^talk 00:31, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Clean Copy: I understand, but I often make these edits while I'm between real-life tasks—when I'm called away, I save whatever I happen to have finished. Notice that the edits were made over a two-hour period. But something else to keep in mind (in my experience) is that large numbers of changes in a single edit make for a mess when one needs to revert a small number of the changes, and for this reason I've advised people in the past to break up large edits into smaller chunks. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:37, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

OK, good points. Clean Copy^talk 01:38, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ANIの本音

"I really do not care if your disgusting personal attack contributed to the 'problem' or not." And here is one of the biggest problems with ANI—so many participants don't actually give two shits if someone's contributing to a problem, they just want drahmah and lots-o'-blocks. Meanwhile, we've got editors who spend years disrupting both article space and talk-page discussions that ANI time and time again refuses to deal with ... Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:52, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

BRD

Wait for consensus to form. There's no timeline. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:34, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're fucking incredible. You reverted in the middle of a fucking discussion. You should be blocked for that alone. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:22, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Revert needed

Hi, will you revert this please? I'm out of reverts. ―Mandruss ☎ 23:02, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done, and I threw a {{Not a typo}} on it. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:09, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh, and just so you know, I'm keeping the article off my watchlist, because it's so active it eats up too much of my watchlist. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:10, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks for the revert. I considered creating a redirect for that template, Template:NOT A TYPO, which would obviate much of the need for the hidden comment. I think the lower case would be easily missed by gnomes. ―Mandruss ☎ 23:24, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - Do you use the Visual Editor (or whatever it's called)? I don't, and I was wondering how (or if) {{Not a typo}} displays for editors who use it. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:27, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - Never touched Visual Editor. We don't need no stinking Visual Editor. ―Mandruss ☎ 23:29, 23 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Similar names

I've been rewriting our article on Akazome Emon, with my main source being an article by Hiroko Saito. Thing is, the previous version was apparently (it had no inline citations) based on writings by Hiroaki Sato and Earl Miner, Hiroko Odagiri. Nothing really important for the project; I just thought it was an amusing coincidence. :P Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:01, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I've come across worse—articles that have confused people because they have the same romanized name. I came across that at Melo Imai—her father's name is Takashi Narita (成田隆史), which linked to Takashi Narita (成田貴志)—and (probably through citogenesis), I came across an English-language article stating here father was an Olympic volleyball player.

I thought her story was interesting enough to give it a decent expansion, but almost all the sources I came across were (perhaps unsurprisingly) tabloid trash I couldn't bring myself to cite. If she continues to win championships, I might come across better sources. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:09, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Might as well post this here

I really wish that talk page wasn't such a hot bed at the moment and we could engage in friendly if slightly off-topic banter freely. Anyway...

one could argue it's not even particularly Japanese This reminded me of a humorous Facebook post an American friend of mine once made having just bought a box ("tube"?) of cookies in a konbini; inside the box was a plastic wrapper; when he opened the wrapper, each cookie was individually wrapped; and this wasn't even the kind of omiyage where they were meant to be distributed to coworkers and left on the desks of absentees, but a snack suitable for one or at most two people. "Japan has a unique aversion to wastefulness" is like "Japan has a unique tendency to take train schedules with a pinch of salt" in terms of its hilarious anachronism.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:06, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

when I first came here (in 1998), when I'd go to a konbini and buy a single item for immediate consumption, when they'd start putting it in a bag, I'd tell them I didn't want the bag. The clerk would always look so flustered—they had no idea how to deal with not putting the item in a bag! We've come a long way from there to today, where every supermarket now charges for plastic bags and encourages people to bring their own mai bakku.

With that in mind, I was schocked—shocked—to discover a few years ago that Canada—Canada, the pioneer in blue boxes—was the world's leader in waste per capita. I don't know if it's that Canada has changed, but it sure felt like Japan was far more wasteful when I first moved here, with its double- and triple-wrapped everything and tendency to a strong preference to new everything over used anything (a lot fewer pawn shops and older cars on the roads). Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:18, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Putative non-count nouns

You posted in more than one place the claim that anime and manga have no (distinct) plural forms, because they are non-count nouns, not because they are Japanese words. Strictly speaking, I think, this is a non-sequitur, because non-count nouns still have plural forms: "milks", "cheeses", and so on. I do not believe there exists a non-count noun which cannot be plural. Even putting that aside, I realise I have no experience of the real use of anime or manga in English. I suppose I regard them mostly as genres, in which case they are uncountable, but given a マンガ本, does one not say "There's a manga"... in which case "There's another one" means that there are two manga(s), and this is definitely not a non-count usage.

Thanks for your work on Mottainai; I wil try to look at it some time. The grammatical description has been cleaned up, but it could simple describe the word as an adjective, and point out that (like any other adjective) it can be used attributively or predicatively, and automatically forms a free-standing exclamation. But it's difficult to know how to approach this: what does "adjective" mean, for example: there are any number of different sets of terminology, and I have a (real, smelly-paper) book that includes the claim that "Japanese has no adjectives". Imaginatorium (talk) 07:49, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Imaginatorium: People say "There's a manga"/"There's an anime"? Maybe usage has evolved, but I'm not familiar with it. Do people who say "There's a manga" say "There are two manga"? "There are two anime"? If they do, this is far too recent usage to be used as an example like geisha or ninja (which are very well established).

"I do not believe there exists a non-count noun which cannot be plural."—economics, politics, etc.

Re: Mottainai: I find every book I come across uses different terms for Japanese grammar (in English, anyways). I don't think we need to go into much detail on the grammatical usage, since it's not a linguistics article. I wouldn't do more than link to Japanese equivalents of adjectives. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:04, 2 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

French : Maus is now a good article

Hello Curly Turkey,
I've seen you're interested in Maus. With the help from other French Wikipedians, the article is now a GA in French (fr:Discussion:Maus/Bon_article). I thought you'd like the news.
Regards, --Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 23:38, 10 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, that's great! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:13, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A cup of tea for you!

Thank you for your improvements at Tenpō Tsūhō. Donald Trung (talk) 09:49, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oooh! Thanks! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:51, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Face-palm

[3]

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:29, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! I'd say this is why it's important to indicate vowel length, but then there're actually male names that end with ko.

Of course, the real problem is the OR—not only are those unacceptable sources, but none of them (that I can see) support the statement "Although most artists are men, a number of female artists have emerged recently". Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:51, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was initially afraid to check, but Gryffindor (talk · contribs)'s original article actually did have an apparently-passable source that verified the content, which was removed.[4] Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:07, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, then it was just whoever added Suikō Buseki to the list. Easy mistake to make, but even then people shouldn't be adding this kind of thing to a list just because they found a name somewhere. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:59, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Suzukake Nanchara

Hello. Even though not mandatory, it is a good policy to notify about a move review to the editor who closed the move. But when you falsely accused me of confirming that I "closed [the move] on a mere show of hands and "merely stated what a lot of editors expressed" re WP:COMMONNAME." At that time you should have notified me, or at least pinged me there. You quoted me completely out of context. I never said "I merely counted the show of hands". Here is the special:diff/830009227 of that particular comment. I specifically said No matter what the reasoning behind it is, it is clear that the community wanted the page to be moved. I still support my close, if you think the consensus was in favour of not moving; then please free to open a move review. That is consensus. Now, if possible, kindly let me know how can my comment be interpreted as "I closed [the move] on a mere show of hands"? Also, kindly let me know what your definition of consensus is.

In case you dont remember the conversation, here is the link to archive: User talk:Usernamekiran/Archives/5#Suzukake_Nanchara. —usernamekiran(talk) 19:12, 22 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The flying fuck is this shit? I told you beforehand there'd be a review, and there was a notice right after the review—not that it makes a lick of difference, as you weren't being reported for anything. The consensus is that you fucked up—you refused to acknowledge it then, and you refuse to acknowledge it now that the community has made it official. Jesus fucking Christ. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:16, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is my last communication with you.

If you have any evidence to prove that I closed [the move] on a mere show of hands; then kindly provide it.
If you remove this entire thread, or ignore this in any way; it will be clear that you made a false accusation.

In any case, I will not contact you again. —usernamekiran(talk) 20:29, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You admitted to it yourself. Now fuck off. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:15, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you just admitted you made a false accusation you sorry sack of meat. —usernamekiran(talk) 01:18, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You either have a clear lack of understanding of plain English, or you are pretending to be a retard. So far you've failed to provide any evidence, instead you've replied with offensive, and/or profane comments. From now on, I am going to ignore you per dont feed the trolls. So say what you like. —usernamekiran(talk) 01:48, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"In any case, I will not contact you again" ... just fuck off with the trolling horseshit and PAs. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:54, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

IDHT

Hey, given this I'm increasingly surprised that ANI thread didn't lead to a block. I suspect it might have something to do with your pulling a Hijiri2015-style goof and getting drawn into extensive (TLDR) back-and-forths (I also noticed your ongoing ANI thread about another editor -- you seem to be in the right there as well, but I wouldn't blame anyone for not wanting to read through it). Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:03, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're right—too much to read, so who would want to get involved? I suspect that many report subjects are well aware of that and game the system with their walls of text and provocation (and FUD, and outright lies—did you know that six of my five blocks were for PAs?). Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:09, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hit the nail on the head there. The worst part, though, is that guys like us who get suckered into it then look like we are the ones trying to filibuster the discussions (even if we were the ones who opened them). Our Doctor Who-watching friend and a bunch of the comic book mafiosi are among those who seem to be quite expert at it. The weird part, though, is when they filibuster their own threads, apparently because they know they will get BOOMERANGed if the threads proceed as normal, they knew this in advance, and only opened the ANI threads to intimidate whoever they are disputing with. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:14, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Bad enough with that shit, but I'd promised myself to stay away from political articles, and here I've gotten sucked in. And it's this POV-pushing-from-all-sides horseshit that convinced me to stay away in the first place. Political articles are hopeless, endless timesinks. Even the Momokuro shit is over politics! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:23, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You think the number 28 has any significance? I have no idea why this section was titled as it was. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:47, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt there's any significance, although apparently certain numbers have certain significance to Nazis or whatever (I doubt they actually counted them, though). Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 12:49, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If he was a fan of British classic sci-fi 42 would have made sense (or 47 if it was American classic sci-fi), but yeah, it might just be random. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:52, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I honestly don't think there's anything to it. Just as, "Hiroki", there's nothing going on here. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:34, 3 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, let's see if the Uchū no Ushi-Otoko owns up to his accusing me of being a Nazi and apologizes. If not, another ANI thread should be opened and it will no doubt lead to a swift block. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 05:39, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Eh? Are we speaking Japanese now? Tanoshi! Hachi-ju-hachi kun, watashi no namae was Uchu no bokudo desu. Ushi-otoko wa chigau. Hachi-ju-hachi kun wa san ju sai desu ka? Dakara namai wa hachi-ju-hachi?

Jeez my Japanese is awful. I guess I should rely on google translate next time, rather than my limited ability, but that was fun. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 07:18, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your taking my pun about your being a were-bull as literally as you have makes it clear that this is not a good-faith ribbing on your part. I am 30 by traditional east-Asian reckoning, but 29 by most other standards. My user page contains a clear explanation of my username's origin. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:42, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Don't take things to seriously, actually I didn't know Ushi-otoko meant were-bull, I assumed it was just a direct translation of "cow"+"boy" and yeah, you're 30 - that's what I assumed to be your reason for choosing 88 in your name. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 07:58, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you'll find the word "were-bull" in a dictionary of any language, but that's the way "ushi-otoko" comes across ("werewolf" is ōkami-otoko "wolf-man"). "Cowboy" is usually kaubōi in Japanese—I didn't even know the word bokudō, and my fifteen-year-old couldn't even guess what the kanji meant (I think "cowherd" is likely a better translation, going by the kanji 牧童, but WWWJDIC give only "cowboy, shephard").

Have I successfully sucked all the humour out of the conversation? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you pretty much have. :P I actually first thought of kaubōi, but that would not be as humorously yamatokotoba-esque as our old shiroki itachi, so I went with ushi-otoko; the ōkami-otoko connection came to me retroactively, and I made up "were-bull" (as opposed to "were-cow", which would imply that simultaneous to the species change was a gender change) based on this. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:19, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The first thing that popped into my head when I saw that was "supernatural BS"

Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:35, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, yeah, that's the point; his actual name is a clear reference to the song, but I'm 99% certain that a Japanese translation of the song doesn't take "space cowboy" literally; I decided to take it one step further by literally translating "cow-boy" and upping the absurdity to 11. Funny aside: one of my former places of employment had in its lobby a mosaic titled "宇宙を遊泳するイルカ", but perspective being as it is the dolphin looked positively enormous and terrifying; I was on a Marvel Comics kick at the time, and joked that it looked more like "宇宙を遊泳して星を食う巨大なイルカ". Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:15, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Either way, it sounds like an idea a space cowboy dreamed up. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:25, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It could be a Jamiroquai reference, especially as the "Stoned Again" mix would fit well with the "420".

But no, you're right it is a reference to the Joker. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 09:36, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now that you've admitted it, we know it can't be true. We'll have to dig deeper. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:58, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. It's Cowboy Bebop. Spacecowboy420 (talk) 10:00, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's Major Kong. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[5] [6] [7]

Pretty hilarious. An editor who really, really dislikes me, and never otherwise posts to ANI unless it's in a thread about him, shows up to undermine me, and the editor I reported thanks him as a "neutral third party".

Any lingering doubt I had that SC420 was trolling is basically gone at this point. Maybe we should just ping the admin who blocked him last time he made counter- consensus IDHT edits on a BLP?

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:53, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes—that's disturbing. I think I made it clear at the Momokuro article that I'm not AingGF with SC420, regardless of any jocularity above. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:44, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to use your Talk Page as your own personal forum, that's fine, but don't talk negatively about other users behind their backs. Tagging: @Adamstom.97: Dark Knight 2149 14:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, stalker! I've said "fuck" sooooo' so many times in the last few days—even at ANI! Where's that ARBCOM report you keep promising? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:17, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A simple use of the word "fuck" isn't disruptive. The use if the word "fuck" in a personal attack is, however. But thanks for feeding me another diff of your generally uncivil attitude, particularly when I'm only here to tag another user to let them know they're being talked about behind their back. On that note, bye! Dark Knight 2149 22:17, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nobody believes you're "only here" for any reason other than to plot your vengeance. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:06, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and look at this. Two disruptive editors plotting their vengeance together, hand in hand. Oh, spring! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Darkknight2149: Behind whose back? CT and I both know that Spacecowboy420 is watching this discussion -- he even joined in! I, on the other hand, was completely unaware that you were talking about me on your talk page. I don't really care all that much, but if you are going to criticize me for something I didn't do, the least you could do is not engage in it yourself. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:33, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Hijiri88: I refer to Adamstom. And the discussion on my Talk Page was mainly about Curly and the collective final warning. You were only mentioned in passing in a discussion referenced by this one and directly branching from it. Dark Knight 2149 06:55, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just double checked. I listed off the users warned, but you otherwise weren't mentioned. With Adamstom, you were directly saying unsavory things about him behind his back. You were already aware about the warning and the Talk page discussion is linked and came from here. Dark Knight 2149 07:03, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The reference to me on your talk page was less "in passing" than the reference to 97 above. And you do not appear to have notified Curly Turkey of the discussion that was "mainly about" him. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:05, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's Nixon Now rather than DK, though. Let it go, Hijiri—if DK wants to make friends with someone who makes edits like this, I don't think "the Cabal" has anything to worry about. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:10, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

CT, have you noticed how 2149 has recently become very fond of the shortcut WP:SANCTIONGAMING? I took a look at it, and it seems to say the opposite of ... whatever he seems to think. Thing is, though, I never saw SANCTIONGAMING invoked until 2149 started doing it last week, and apparently the reason for that is that it's essentially a trademark of User:SMcCandlish (it's linked from about a dozen pages, and as far as I can see every single one that is not 2149 is SMcC), an editor who is nothing if not reasonable, so I'd be kinda interested in seeing what he thinks of this. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:46, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I've read it, I wonder why it's titled SANCTIONGAMING, as it doesn't seem to have anything to do with sanctions. I wouldn't put much weight into anything DK links to, anyways, after his performance at those two ANIs—I really believe he doesn't understand what he did wrong. Which makes things so much worse, in a way, especially with this martyr complex he carries around. I should stop being surprised at him, but I honestly never thought even he would stoop to accepting help from such a black-and-white, unrepentant POV-pusher as NN. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:01, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder why it's titled SANCTIONGAMING, as it doesn't seem to have anything to do with sanctions Yeah, I know. I first saw it out of context and assumed it meant taking advantage of other editors' preexisting sanctions in order to win disputes (like what certain editors did repeatedly with an IBAN I appealed last March). his performance at those two ANIs Wait, which ones? I only recall one recently, but since you weren't involved I suspect that's not what you're referring to. such a black-and-white, unrepentant POV-pusher as NN Why would you call Nocturnalnow (talk · contribs) an unrepentant POV-pusher? You and he seem to be basically on the same "side". :P But seriously, abbreviating people's usernames in cases like this is a bitch. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:20, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I meant the two that got him in trouble—the canvassing one, and the one that got him TBANned. I don't think Nocturnalnow is really on my "side" (we've disagreed as much as we've agreed on things), so much as we're both exasperated with Nixon Now. But Nocnow can speak for himself. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:29, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Meh. People still tell me that I'm your "friend" who does your dirty work for you, and I've long since given up on pointing out that you and I actually disagree more often than we agree, with most of our agreement being in non-controversial cases where the policy is clear, like the Momokuro thing. If you and Nocturnalnow both agree that Nixon Now's edits are inappropriate, that makes you "allies" in the narrative that, while I know it's wrong, I'm increasingly coming to accept as something we just have to work with. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:36, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

NN hasn't spun it that way yet, but the way NN keeps making up stories about me (in the past couple days NN's accused me of being both pro- and anti-Doug Ford), I'm sure they inevitably will. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:59, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I'm sure when he does and posts it on someone's talk page, 2149 will tell them both off for not notifying us, like he totally told 97 and 420 off for talking about me without notifying me. Oh... wait... no, he'll tell you off for noticing it by accident and discussing it with me or someone else. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:44, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I think the SANCTIONGAMING thing means gaming to avoid sanctionability. Probably needs a better shortcut. I didn't write the section or the shortcut. The material there's important, and it's hilarious that someone is citing it ass-backwardsly to mean the opposite of what it says. There are always people like that on a system this large (and we have more than average because the nature of the project attracts obsessives and cranks). As for ANI and intimidation, just don't be intimidated. The purpose of it is for the community to see if there's a real issue to address, and more often than not they collectively decide there isn't and that the person opening the report is at least as much at fault (sometimes even when they're not, but when they can't get their point across well). This is one reason I really, really rarely ever go there even when I think I'm right. The default presumption at this point is that you're a full-of-shit troublemaker if you open an ANI and the evidence you have isn't ironclad, obvious, and self-explanatory. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 02:49, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

How dare you slander the ANI volunteer cops so! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:01, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I bookmarked the diffs that NN sent me, but am otherwise unfamiliar with this user. If you can show me diffs of such "black and white" vandalism, I'll be happy to look at them. I'm not sure how one conversation gave you the idea that we're now Batman and Robin but, in terms of accusing other users of disruption (especially those who call out your behaviour), you honestly don't hold much credibility at this point. I don't doubt that you have dealt with genuine disruption in the past, but the only thing I really want is for you to be honest and civil, and to stop gaming the system for your own ends. I myself have been wondering at times whether or not you believe your own lies, but there's no excuse for some of the things you say and do (which were and are clearly deliberate).

Of course, I know you'll deny until the end of time, so I don't know why I'm trying to get through to you. Maybe it's because of your extensive contributions or whatever, but if I have to report one of you, I will be covering every single moment with diffs to back it up (which means I will have to simultaneously report several other users, who were specifically tagged at the final warning). If you won't behave for yourself, do it for them. You can deny responsibility, but it would be wise for you to take what I'm saying into consideration instead of spinning a deeper web as you are now. Dark Knight 2149 16:30, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

He's fixated on a two month old edit where I referred to a politician who was revealed to have been a mid-level drug dealer in his youth by a quality newspaper's investigative report as a "former drug dealer" when I should have said "alleged former drug dealer" or perhaps "alleged former hashish wholesaler" or "non-pharmaceutical entrepreneur" or something. Nixon Now (talk) 17:00, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're seeing him in action right now, Darkknight2149—he made this edit to Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario leadership election, 2018 smack in the middle of the campaign, and has been making similar edits to Doug Ford Jr. (and editwarring over them) ever since. Swarm warned him he'd be topic banned if he ever pulled such a stunt again, and the article is now under WP:1RR. Notice how the wording has nothing to do with it (see how he's trying to pull your strings?). As many of us do, NN dislikes Doug Ford (a polarizing political figure)—the difference is that the rest of us keep our POV out of article space. I'm not the first to notice it, but I'm the one who wouldn't let him get away with it—thus the thirst for vengeance. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:05, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't edit political articles, but that actually does look pretty bad. Dark Knight 2149 01:35, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nice spin. CT thinks he's Batman but Clark Kent would have a different view. See this. Nixon Now (talk) 01:47, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Nixon Now:As much as I hate correcting someone on unimportant pop culture minutiae when they appear to be exclusively focused on more "serious" topics, did you mean to say CT thinks he's Superman or but Bruce Wayne would have a different view? Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 01:51, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't, Hiriji88. Superman is polite and "lawful good", if you like. Batman is a vigilante who seethes with anger. And Clark Kent is a reporter who recognizes legitimate journalism. Nixon Now (talk) 05:08, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And Nixon Now is a POV-pusher who thinks legitimate journalism can be used as a weapon in an encyclopaedia article. For anyone watching—the drug charges are in the article, and I explicitly supported having it in there (take a look at Talk:Doug Ford Jr.#Request for comment: Globe and Mail investigative report). Nixon Now won't settle for simply having it in there—he'll use it as a descriptor, and will add it to the Table of Contents (edtiwarring to keep it in) despite both WP:BLP and near-unanimous consensus against it (it's still there!). Nixon Now is a menace to the neutrality of the article. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 05:28, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think he has a fucking clue what he's talking about---or cares, as long as it distracts from examining his violations. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:33, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

−

As I said, "a vigilante who seethes with anger." Nixon Now (talk) 15:14, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You know, words are supposed to mean things. Except in your case, when they're only meant to distract. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:17, 7 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Words do mean things which is why I object when you embellish and exaggerate, as you habitually do. I'm not surprised though as you seem to have trouble with any word that has more than four letters. Nixon Now (talk) 13:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You won't be satisfied until we're back at ANI, will you? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:48, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If you keep engaging in ad hominems, as per your last contribution to Talk:Doug Ford, you may well end up there. Nixon Now (talk) 23:33, 9 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there is a blatant personal attack or disruption that is overtly disruptive in an obvious manner (and only such), I will have to ask that you not tag me in such an ANI report. I have not been following this topic dispute, I generally don't edit political articles, and am perfectly content with not being dragged into whatever this is. Dark Knight 2149 16:05, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

CT seems to be behaving better lately. I'll leave it to you to monitor his behaviour elsewhere and to proceed with a complaint if he regresses. Nixon Now (talk) 11:52, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Read: "CT called my bluff, and it's getting harder and harder to get away with shit on that page." Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:02, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

I did a complete re-write of the article about Lill-Babs that died a few days ago. If you find time for it, take a look. Any help is appreciated.BabbaQ (talk) 14:52, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

ANI notice

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Nixon Now (talk) 12:28, 18 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well! That one imploded in about the most embarrassing way it could. Maybe certain people have figured out by now that Nixon Now was NEVERHERE in the first place? Ironic, given how valiantly they battled socks at Doug Ford Jr. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:26, 19 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Did you know ...

... that BLPs were subject to discretionary sanctions?[8] 'Cause I didn't!

That might actually be a better option in the long-run than an ANEW or ANI block request. AE is, in my experience, faster and more effective than ANI in cases like this. Mind you, we might well be stuck just waiting for them to pull the same stunt again, now that the page is protected. Sorry for the fuck-up on that front -- things happened a lot faster than I expected.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 12:35, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Afraid I can't forgive you, Hijiri—experience shows there's a bottomless barrel of "second chances" for these kinds of editors. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:33, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

E-mail

Blocked + one other. Thanks very much.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:01, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Singular they

Hi CT! Re [9]: I had in mind cases where it's neither known nor assumed. --Middle 8 (t • c | privacy • COI) 01:08, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Middle 8: In which case, the example should probably be changed, as the point (and it's an important point) is that singular they is used even when the gender is known—for example: "If one of the boys comes over, tell them to wait downstairs for me." Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 01:14, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, that is the point and it needs an unambiguous example, which the current one actually is if we note its context: apparently, a place and time where same-sex marriage was not legal. Absent a better, citable example along the lines of yours, I'm thinking that mentioning that context, perhaps in a footnote, would do the trick. --Middle 8 (t • c | privacy • COI) 03:12, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Archived links in Garage rock article

I noticed that a bot removed some of the archived links we had in the Garage rock article. I was wondering if we should reinstate them? Gobble gobble. Garagepunk66 (talk) 02:20, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Removed them? Without replacing or updating them? That's strange—did they still work? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 02:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Chōsen-seki

Hi, thank you for setting a clarify tag on Chōsen-seki. I noticed it and tried to make some clarification. I confess rather I am unclear to ethnic minority issues but I tried my best to check facts at least. You are welcome to give a second look and reassess it. Cheers, --Aphaia (talk) 22:01, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Aphaia: thanks for that. Now all it needs is a citation! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:00, 25 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reply:Page moves

Good day Sir, thank you for the reminder, due to the articles of famous Japanese characters like Kido Takayoshi, Saigō Takamori, Kondō Isami, Saitō Hajime, etc, most of them are SURNAME-FORENAME based, I am not fully aware that I had go against the MOS:JAPAN. The article Yamashita Tomoyuki page move was approved at the Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests (view history), and it shall ends there. I had stopped and I will apologies for all inconvenience caused. I will offer to undo the process should you give a green light.

Rqiang84: This is a problem: the rationale Ammarpad gave conflicts with MOS:JAPAN "Ammarpad moved page Tomoyuki Yamashita to Yamashita Tomoyuki without leaving a redirect: Requested by Rqiang84 at WP:RM/TR: Japanese names of famous people should at best starts with Surname first, see Kido Takayoshi, Saigo Takamori, Saito Hajime, etc". Historical (particularly pre-Meiji) figures are normally given SURNAME-FORENAME, but Tomoyuki Yamashita falls squarely in the modern era (born late in the Meiji era, and his notability is for being a WWII general). This will almost certainly face resistance from WP:JAPAN. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:11, 26 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Have you seen yet, or are planning to see, Infinity War?

I kinda wanna vent about something that just happened (specifically I suspect another user was "triggered" by my linking referencing a concept in feminist literary criticism), but it would involve spoiling parts of the film. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:10, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. It turns out he was triggered by my pointing out the film was targeted at children, and in a drive-by "I'm-going-to-have-the-last-word-and-say-you're-wrong-but-then-immediately-shut-down-the-conversation" comment claimed that he wouldn't take children to the films because of the "mature-nature of a lot of their content", presumably referring to the sophisticated storytelling, since they almost universally disdain explicit sexual content, realistic violence and swearing -- as though sophisticated storytelling was something that should be hidden from children or having a sophisticated story (or even sophisticated subtext) automatically disbars the films from being classified as entertainment for children, because no children's media ever embraced sophisticated storytelling. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 00:57, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is Infinity War superheroes? In that case, spoil away—I won't be watching. What you're describing honestly sounds like an awfully typical basement-dwelling superhero fan to me—desperately needing to declare Frank Miller's illiterate drivel as "literature", yada yada yada. I totally relate to deriving pleasure from indefensibly mindless entertainment—I love heavy metal—but, Jesus Christ, recognize it as such ... and yes, there's nothing wrong per se with "children's literature", but try explaining that to an illiterate ... Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:46, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, superheroes. It's the third Avengers film. The interesting thing is that both this film and the previous one have made it a running joke that precisely because they are family films "shit" can only be said once per film and "fuck" can only be "implied". A post-credits scene in the latest film has Samuel L. Jackson's character die suddenly and when he realizes what is happening he utters "Motherf...".

Basically in the opening scene of the film, it is revealed that almost the entire supporting cast of a previous film (Thor: Ragnarok) were killed off-screen, including a female character who was basically the breakout character of that film, and their deaths don't really serve any purpose to the story beyond motivating one of the principal male characters. Later on in the film, a popular female character from the Guardians of the Galaxy films is killed (technically "sacrificed") by the primary male villain who has a personal connection to her, and the revelation that he had fetherly feelings for her serves as character development for him, and later her death serves as motivation for one of the male heroes who had romantic feelings for her. The latter is the very definition of Women in Refrigerators. I alluded to this fact (implicitly citing a vlog by a prominent comic book reviewer, which is also the only source I've located that even mentions that those Thor characters were killed off-screen). I initially thought I was getting heat for saying that the film is "bad" for offending my feminist sensibilities (attempts to bring postcolonial and other criticisms to related articles met with similar responses from the same user), which would have shown a very immature appreciation of media -- that it's impossible to talk about a problem in said media and still enjoy them.

Then it turned out that the problem was arguably even sillier. See, at the end of the film the bad guy wins, gets all the magic space rocks he needs, snaps his fingers and kills "half of all life in the universe". In the film, this means that a lot of name characters, who were the stars of their own films and who are probably the favourite characters of a lot of boys and girls under the age of ten, whose parents have probably spent a lot of money on action figures of those characters, are wipedd out instantly. I saw a late show in a fairly bad part of Osaka, so everyone in my screening was a mature adult and well aware that Part II will almost certainly undo this, but a lot of the reviews I have seen/read were by people who heard children leaving the cinema in tears. I admittedly may be reading said reviews in light of Transformers: The Movie (not the Michael Bay one) because two separate critics I follow have produced hour-long treatises on that film in the last few months that focused significantly on how annoyed parents were that it had killed off all their children's heroes.

But the claim by one of the principal authors of the Wikipedia article is apparently that it doesn't matter because parents shouldn't be showing these super-cereal adult movies to their children to begin with. It really weirds me out that this is the interpretation of the principal author of dozens of our articles on superhero films and television series (he appears to be basically the sole author of all 70 or so articles linked to from this list). He's entitled to his opinion if he wants to see the films as sophisticated stories that if you show them to children it will make them cry -- heck, I actually agree with him if that's the case, the difference being that I don't pretend that they don't get 90% of their revenues from parents taking their kids to the films and buying their kids all the toys and other tie-in merchandise. But if I or anyone else tried to add the claim that a number of critics noted that the ending was likely to make the principal audience of children cry would we be reverted because the article's "owner" doesn't think the principal audience is (or is meant to be) children?

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 06:26, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm assuming the editor-in-question is North American. I don't know what things are like in Ireland, but North Americans really have a stick up their asses about what is "acceptable" for children. I remember how much parents (not mine, thank goodness) got tied in knots over the violence in the first TMNT cartoon series—then there was the censorship of the violence in Power Rangers—and it seems things have gotten only worse. It's particularly comical after having spent nearly twenty years in Japan. Did you know the only way the could bring Crayon Shin-chan out in English was to make it age-restricted to adults? (They really went the whole nine yards with it then—my youngest found an episode on YouTube, and I shut it off after two minutes when they started making syphilis jokes. But the point is that they could never have shown straight translations to children in North America with the Zō-san, zō-san schtick.) Said editor is probably not alone in sincerely thinking that anything more "mature" than Bananas in Pyjamas is too risqué for kids. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:43, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The user identifies as a New Zealander on their user page, but I think the same probably applies. In Ireland, we were basically subject to British censorship guidelines, since most of our television stations came from there (it would have been really weird if Irish TV showed different versions of shows than UK TV): I literally grew up thinking "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" was a spin-off of "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles" because they weren't allowed use the word "ninja" or show nunchaku until sometime between the 1987 show and the 2003 revival. People are entitled to their opinions regarding what they want to show their kids, but the merchandise tie-ins for superhero films are almost exclusively targeted at pre-teens, so it's a safe assumption that the films are meant to be appreciated by naive optimists who might want to stop playing with their toys because the characters are all dead. It's a really balls-y move on the filmmakers' part (even though it was obvious to every adult watching that it's going to be undone), but with RSes talking about how balls-y a move it was (or how potentially problematic it was given who the films are made for) it really should be in the article. I dunno ... maybe I just find it problematic that someone who can hardly bear to allow "the film is targeted at children" to be uttered on the talk page is the sole arbiter of dozens of articles on the topic. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:02, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but like I keep saying, that behaviour comes part-and-parcel with the eidtorship you must "collaborate" with when editing in that subject area. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tangible Folk Cultural Properties edit

Hi, and thank you for your edits to the List of Important Tangible Folk Cultural Properties. Regarding this edit, the and ??? referred to 改良形用具. Do you have any idea how to translate this part? bamse (talk) 14:01, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

bamse It's something like "restored tangible items". I don't know what the items are, so I can't give a better translation. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:23, 1 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Someone tried to log in to my account?

I just got a notice that someone tried (and failed) to log in to my account. I haven't logged in recently ... so ... someone with a grudge? Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 03:48, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know, but I got one as well, so I guess it might have been a mass assault or just a glitch. Imaginatorium (talk) 05:27, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Me too, just after midnight Japan time.--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 13:01, 4 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Another "There have been multiple failed attempts to log in to your account from a new device. Please make sure your account has a strong password." WTactualF?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 05:07, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

... creepy ... Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 06:04, 8 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Jesus fucking Christ, SchroCat—I thought you at least had a sense of fucking humour. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:45, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ordinarily I do, but it's been warn rather thin, given the pushing (by others) on this page and a string of other articles. - SchroCat (talk) 10:51, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed—any sense of humor I once had about infoboxes is long gone. Curly Turkey, it's best that you see the DS notice anyway since this is (finally) getting some admin attention. Bish has been sensible but of course there are admins working WP:AE that are more of the gunslinger disposition. We all know you can be blocked for jokes, posting YouTube videos, and so on. --Laser brain (talk) 11:29, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

So let 'em block away—it'd be a good one for Tony1's talk page. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder ...

... how long this will stay visible. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 07:00, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What do you expect where not even flowers are welcome? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

SchroCat: What "poking"? Cassianto's telling an unprovoked lie about me. Seriously, what the fuck? And why now? When's the last time I even interacted with the guy? And why not delete his (actual) trolling of me while you're at it? These questions aren't rhetorical ...

... and what in the flying fuck are you accusing me of that would "backfire"?! What fucking game is this?! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:54, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder what makes the difference between Percy Grainger and Psalm 149, protect one, but revert the other? Also the difference between Imogen Holst and her father. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:02, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't give two shits about the Infobox Wars; I give many, many shits about the spreading of cowardly lies about me. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

...not a lie. But you keep telling yourself that. Cassianto^Talk 12:18, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your "creative interpretation" doesn't even make sense in the context (tellingly, you don't even try). Neither does bringing it up out of the blue two years after the blocks expired. I'd've thought having successfully conned an admin into administering 20% of my blocks would've been revenge enough for calling you out, but apparently you intend to spread this lie until you're finally indeffed. That's some superhuman grudgeholding. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:38, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Calling [me] out" for what? Be very careful, or I'll see to it that my 20% stake in your block log is increased. Cassianto^Talk 09:46, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"Calling you out" for digging up every opportunity to keep your end of that discussion knee-deep in irrelevant ad hominems, of course. Resorting to laughably empty threats instead of retracting your lie only paints you as more the coward, terrified to own up to his missteps. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 10:08, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As I think we've established, it wasn't a lie. Anyway, this is my last post conversing with you. I have better things to do, like going to watch some grass grow Cassianto^Talk 19:54, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't been "conversing" with anyone—you've been trolling and lying, and doing a piss-poor job of hiding it. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:27, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Of course, a troll'd troll poorly if they didn't deny everything, so I guess the only thing to do at this point is to keep this horseshit out in the open—sunlight as disinfectant. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 23:30, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yōshoku?

I was unaware that this word refer[red] to a style of Western-influenced [Japanese cuisine] which originated during the Meiji Restoration. I mean, I know at in English it tends to be used more for "western-style" food that was actually invented in Japan, but even then specifying that by definition it originated during the Meiji Restoration (not even the Meiji period, but specifically the Meiji Restoration!) seems like bullshit. And it probably should say that in Japanese the word just means "western food, whether or not it originates in Japan". And the more I read the messier it gets -- yeah, castella might be called 洋食, but it predates Meiji... Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 08:27, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The first thing you should have done is click through to ja:洋食, where it says "広義では西洋料理から西洋風の料理全般を指し、狭義では日本で独自に発展した西洋風の料理を指す日本料理の一カテゴリーである"—which I interpret as meaning that there are prescriptionists who insist yōshoku should be applied to Western-influenced J-food, but most people don't give two shits and (as you've observed) apply it to Western (or Western-influenced) meals in general. Notice I say "meal"—in my experience, it's not applied to "food" in general, so castella (or ice cream, or Snickers) aren't really called yōshoku (I double-checked with my eldest, and she said, "Yōshoku isn't dessert.").

I guess, in the context of a subject that deserves an article, the definition is "correct", in the sense that the 広義 would make yōshoku just a plain old word unworthy of an article. Of course, the article's problematic as it is, aside from easily fixable blunders such as "Meiji Restoration"—but rather than "Meiji period", I imagine ja:文明開化 might be more appropriate—astoundingly, we have no article on that, and it ain't for lack of sources! (there's some low-hanging for for someone to jump on). Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 22:46, 14 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jesus. Good catch. Kinda wish I noticed it before November; coulda saved me some time trying to put together enough material to make a non-stub article about one or more of the more obscure topics I was working on. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:26, 15 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Probably big enough topic to have sucked your time and energy away from working up enough other articles. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:34, 16 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Infobox photo discussion

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MORE funny Asuka/Nara personal names

[10] Five months late to the punch on this one, but I was just scrolling through the page, noticed this, and initially thought I had made a misprint. "Uno no Obito Ohito"? (笑) Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 11:12, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was about to give up and ask you to decifer it, and then I looked up 首. You might want to leave a hidden note to protect it. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 11:44, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you really think anyone is going to notice it? Anyone who looked at the list close enough to notice it by accident would also notice that the italic readings are only for entries where a direct transcription of Japanese text is different from the "name" of the entry, so there being italic text at all makes it obvious that "Uno no Obito Ohito" was meant to be different "Uno no Ohito". And most of those entries are such because the Japanese text includes the kabane, a lot of which can be assumed to have weird readings. And there are already three other Obitos in the list, and an Obitomaro. I only thought it was a misprint because I know most entries on the list started by being copy-pasted and I'm sometimes clumsy.

Wait, unless you were joking? 'Cause if you weren't, I think we've changed places and you're the straight man now.

Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 13:17, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, I'm not joking. There are hardly any eyes on that page, so if someone years from now sees it and "fixes" it, you can't be confident that you'll see the change on your watchlist. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 20:49, 17 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This one's not bad either. I mean, I know kuruma basically just means a wheeled vehicle, but given how it's used now the name just brings a funny image to mind. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:36, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

He's Superman! Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 08:27, 18 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Do DF's recent AFD comments look to you like he intends to turn Mottainai Grandma into a POVFORK of Mottainai after we excised most of the bullshit "ancient Chinese secret" stuff from the latter? 'Cause they look like that to me. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 23:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, they just look like they continue to refuse to concede the point. I don't think they're going to touch the article. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 04:08, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, reading his still more recent comments, it seems you're probably right. It now looks more like he's just trolling us by pretending like he walked away from the original dispute because everyone but him was behaving poorly, rather than because there was a clear consensus against his edits and he knew he'd wind up TBANned or blocked if he dug in any further. That he'd write this after I'd already withdrawn the AFD clearly shows that fixing or "rescuing" the article is not his concern. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 09:21, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What's really remarkable is he thought he could actually pull a fast one with such an easily falsifiable assertion. Curly "JFC" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 09:30, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Did I hear my name? Maybe I should explain a bit. In 10 years of editing Wikipedia, I have been involved in two edit disputes. Both times ~~were~~ started as attempts to help editors who were being subjected to what seemed to me like bullying, and both times I was sorry for getting involved, because all it got me was to have my contributions belittled and my competence questioned, followed by threats to have me edit banned. The last time ended like this, after which I almost quit. You have to ask if you want to remain involved in a project that lets users get away with behavior like this. But whatever. Since then the two worst behaved (POV reversions) editors have retired and I haven't been back. As far as I'm concerned it's over.

Obviously this time isn't anywhere near as serious, but my concerns were basically the same. As far as I can recall, I have never used words like "bullshit" or "worthless" to describe contributions by another editor. I dislike condescending to anyone because of a lack of language skills. And the reversions. I really think that should be a last resort, not the first. But then I don't know, maybe all this just means I ought to stay away from controversial topics.

About the "plagiarism" charge. I will admit that the way I write may look like close paraphrasing to people like you and Tony. But I think there should be a range that would allow it. If there isn't I'll just stop, because it's not what I believe.

It was about 40 years ago that I arrived here as a graduate exchange student to study Japanese literature (waka). After studying modern and Romantic poetry I wanted to study the real thing, and for me this was it. That's still what I want in more or less everything I do. The real thing. I've mentioned elsewhere my belief that once you get beyond dates and facts the same thought in different words is a different thought. That's more or less all I have to say about it. If it's not enough, fine, I'll be quiet.– Margin1522 (talk) 11:02, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh,sorry, looks like this was about someone else. Anyway, that was my say. Now that's it's off my chest I'll go away. – Margin1522 (talk) 11:15, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::Yeah, reading his still more recent comments, it seems you're probably right. It now looks more like he's just trolling us by pretending like he walked away from the original dispute because everyone but him was behaving poorly, rather than because there was a clear consensus against his edits and he knew he'd wind up TBANned or blocked if he dug in any further. That he'd write [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Mottainai_Grandma&diff=842711071&oldid=842706209 this] after I'd already withdrawn the AFD clearly shows that fixing or "rescuing" the article is not his concern. [[User:Hijiri88|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88|やや]]</small>) 09:21, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
 ::: What's really remarkable is he thought he could actually pull a fast one with such an easily falsifiable assertion. [[User:Curly Turkey|Curly&nbsp;"JFC"&nbsp;Turkey]]&nbsp;<span style="color: Red;">🍁</span>&nbsp;[[User talk:Curly Turkey|''¡gobble!'']] 09:30, 24 May 2018 (UTC)
-*Did I hear my name? Maybe I should explain a bit. In 10 years of editing Wikipedia, I have been involved in two edit disputes. Both times were attempts to help editors who were being subjected to what seemed to me like bullying, and both times I was sorry for getting involved, because all it got me was to have my contributions belittled and my competence questioned, followed by threats to have me edit banned. The last time ended like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_February_8 this], after which I almost quit. You have to ask if you want to remain involved in a project that lets users get away with behavior like this. But whatever. Since then the two worst behaved (POV reversions) editors have retired and I haven't been back. As far as I'm concerned it's over.<br/>
+*Did I hear my name? Maybe I should explain a bit. In 10 years of editing Wikipedia, I have been involved in two edit disputes. Both times <del>were</del> started as attempts to help editors who were being subjected to what seemed to me like bullying, and both times I was sorry for getting involved, because all it got me was to have my contributions belittled and my competence questioned, followed by threats to have me edit banned. The last time ended like [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2015_February_8 this], after which I almost quit. You have to ask if you want to remain involved in a project that lets users get away with behavior like this. But whatever. Since then the two worst behaved (POV reversions) editors have retired and I haven't been back. As far as I'm concerned it's over.<br/>
 :Obviously this time isn't anywhere near as serious, but my concerns were basically the same. As far as I can recall, I have never used words like "bullshit" or "worthless" to describe contributions by another editor. I dislike condescending to anyone because of a lack of language skills. And the reversions. I really think that should be a last resort, not the first. But then I don't know, maybe all this just means I ought to stay away from controversial topics.<br/>
 :About the "plagiarism" charge. I will admit that the way I write may look like close paraphrasing to people like you and Tony. But I think there should be a range that would allow it. If there isn't I'll just stop, because it's not what I believe.<br/>
 :It was about 40 years ago that I arrived here as a graduate exchange student to study Japanese literature (waka). After studying modern and Romantic poetry I wanted to study the real thing, and for me this was it. That's still what I want in more or less everything I do. The real thing. I've mentioned elsewhere my belief that once you get beyond dates and facts the same thought in different words is a different thought. That's more or less all I have to say about it. If it's not enough, fine, I'll be quiet.–&nbsp;[[User:Margin1522|Margin1522]] ([[User talk:Margin1522|talk]]) 11:02, 25 May 2018 (UTC)
+::Oh,sorry, looks like this was about someone else. Anyway, that was my say. Now that's it's off my chest I'll go away. –&nbsp;[[User:Margin1522|Margin1522]] ([[User talk:Margin1522|talk]]) 11:15, 25 May 2018 (UTC)