Talk:Bob Ross

Requests for comment: Indefinite semi protection

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This page is a vandal magnet. For some reason Bob Ross and connected subject The Joy of Painting (When one page is protected the vandals just hit the other) Pending changes in this situation is just the same as no protection, we're just as busy reverting pending bad changes. I move that Bob Ross and connected subject The Joy of Painting be set to indef-semi protection. I think these pages have shown substantial justification for permanent protection, so I'm here hoping for consensus. Note:A link to this discussion has been left at The Joy of Painting Mlpearc (open channel) 15:48, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

• not required imo but no major objection - a lot of the edits simply require reverting or rejecting but with only 500 edits in the last twelve months the page is easily workable under pending protection and is a less restrictive condition than Indefinite semi protection. Govindaharihari (talk) 19:42, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
• Support - The vandalism is indeed baffling, and annoying. Yes, it's relatively infrequent, but why not make it less frequent? DoctorJoeE ^{review transgressions}/_{talk to me!} 21:07, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
• Comment Summoned by bot. This is not a proper use of an article RfC, which is primarily for disputes, not for this kind of situation. You need to go to WP:RPP, where I assure you that the desires of editors will not be taken into account. Permanent semiprotection is rare. Coretheapple (talk) 16:34, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

@Coretheapple: I've been to RPP and got these results Bob Ross request, Bob Ross reply, The Joy of Painting request and lastly The Joy of Painting reply which is totally fine, I have no problem with KrakatoaKatie call. I just want to try and gain consensus for indef-semi for these two pages before returning to RPP Mlpearc (open channel) 18:27, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

I wish you luck, but they don't grant indefinite semiprotection almost ever. Coretheapple (talk) 18:44, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

• If it will help, despite my annoyance with the use of an RfC in this fashion, it is plain that indefinite semiprotection is warranted. Coretheapple (talk) 18:46, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

•  Note: Many articles seem to have the same solution, these pages were surly getting the same onslaught of vandalism. Mlpearc (open channel) 20:19, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
• No objection It seems odd to have this under semi protection but since its receiving relatively frequent vandalism I wont oppose such action. Fraulein451 (talk) 03:25, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
• Support - Can't say I've ever ran into this type of RfC before but an indefinite protection will save users time and the hassle of reverting continuous vandalism. Meatsgains (talk) 02:36, 13 April 2016 (UTC)
• Oppose indefinite semi-protection, but support temporary semi-protection, reverting to pending changes after a minimum of a few weeks. Good golly, from the comments, I feel like there's a class of person out there (or one really ornery person hopping IPs) whose mother expressed interest in Bob Ross just one-too-many times and the child never got over it; someone ought to tell them to keep it mellow, like some cadmium yellow. Anyway, getting to the point, I can see how this would be vexing, but the fact of the matter is that pending changes are presently keeping the vandalism from reaching our readers. That means that when we are contemplating page protection we are directly weighing the costs of excluding the contributions of good-faith IP editors against the wasted time of registered users. I'm satisfied to resolve that balancing test in the favour of our autoconfirmed contributors, but I can't see excluding well-intentioned but non-registered editors from the article indefinitely just for the sake of convenience to the rest of us. I'd like to propose that we try the semi-protection for a limited period of time (six weeks, maybe?) and then go back to pending changes and see if the clueless IP vandals have wandered away in the meantime. We might even get lucky enough to be able to remove the pending changes protection thereafter, though given the bizarre nature of the fixation of this/these vandal(s), I'm not going to hold my breath. Snow ^{let's rap} 05:01, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

@Snow Rise: The page has been semi'd or PC'd off and on for months and you want satusquo ? That won't help at this point. Mlpearc (open channel) 14:14, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Well, as Core told you above, you're welcome to take the request to WP:RFP, A) the actual method for making this request, and B) something you would have to do anyway, even if a huge number of editors had responded, all supporting this extraordinary measure. But I'll also join Core in saying that you shouldn't get your hopes up. Indefinite protection is almost never applied, anywhere on the project, being seen as inherently at conflict with the principles that this is the "encyclopedia anyone can edit" and that it is generally not in the best interest of an article to remove all IPs from contributing to it just in order to forestall edits from vandals. It has generally only been considered (and generally rejected) in the case of high-traffic and highly controversial topics with massive numbers of editors and disruption which is exhausting the broader community's energy to contain. Here we have an article with either one (or a few) number of (admittedly persistent) vandals whose efforts are presently being completely contained by the pending changes mechanism. I just don't think you're going to get the outcome you seek. Which maybe is why you sought support here first, to bolster that request, but I for one just can't see supporting scaling up from pending changes to an indefinite lock-down; I just don't think it reflects the balance of interests here between vandals, other IPs, registered users and (most importantly) the needs of the article. But what I can do is stick around to help respond the pending changes queue. Snow ^{let's rap} 21:26, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Ahhhh, so now I understand the origin of all of this: see the Bob Ross entry here. That goes a long way to explaining how this all started. It also reinforces to me that this is a temporary state of affairs; meme-influenced trolling can stick for a while, but it does eventually fade. Snow ^{let's rap} 21:55, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

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Old page history

Some old page history that used to be at the title "Bob Ross" can now be found at Talk:Bob Ross/Old history. Graham87 16:11, 5 May 2016 (UTC) bob ross was married to gina

Bob meets Bill

I'm not sure what the rules are for self-reported research, or whatever, but I discovered while reading this article that I might have something to contribute to the history of Bob Ross. Like bob, my father served a 20-year hitch in the Air Force (except my dad was an officer). From 1963-1968 he was stationed at Eielson Air Force Base in Alaska, where I spent my preschool through grade three years.

Sometime around 1967 I have a vivid memory of my family attending a USO-sponsored painting show held in a local rec hall on the base. There were only about 100-200 people in the audience (that number might not be accurate, since I was only 8 years old at the time, and memory of a kid is not always reliable). We sat on folding chairs sat up in a semi-circle around the painter's easel. I remember that the artist was an older gentleman who spoke with a distinct accent, and he painted rapidly while talking to the audience in a soft, gentle voice. I did not know it until reading this article, but that painter must have been Bill Alexander! And, moreover, Bob Ross must have been in attendance in the audience with us, which is where he was almost certainly exposed for the first time to Bill Alexander's painting style! The artist painted several pieces, which were then given away to audience members from a drawing (unfortunately, we didn't get one).

The article states that Bob first saw Bill Alexander's style on Bill's tv show - but in the article about Alexander, it says he didn't have a tv show until the 1970s. I am quite certain that Bob first was exposed to Bill, and first met Bill in person, during that painting demonstration at Eielson around the year 1967. If someone wants to use me as a source for the article, please feel free to do so. And please contact me if you want to talk about this. --Saukkomies ^talk 15:06, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

The "Ross at his easel" picture

Though probably not really important to the average reader, but probably rather important to a Bob Ross fan - - - the picture/photo is BACKWARDS ! ! !

Is there any way that can be corrected/flipped?

Just curious. 2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6 (talk) 03:00, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

I know on the show, Ross is usually to the left of the painting, but this probably a staged publicity photo. Mlpearc (open channel) 03:48, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 September 2016 for Bob Ross artical

The change I request to be made is to the Commemoration and pop culture section of the article with the edition of a fact. The fact is about a parody of Bob Ross and his PBS show the Joy of Painting in the Family guy episode Fifteen Minutes of Shame.

This is my proposal for the addition:

Bob Ross was featured in the Family Guy episode Fifteen Minutes of Shame, Peter Griffen is watching the PBS show The Joy of Painting and supposedly following his instructions to paint a landscape, however it is revealed he has painted the Keaton family from NBC's Family Ties in a parody of that show's opening titles.

Here is the source for the addition:

• S. Callaghan, “Fifteen Minutes of Shame.” Family Guy: The Official Episode Guide Seasons 1–3. New York: HarperCollins, 2005. 86–89.

Thank you for considering this edit and have a nice day.

Lord Akira otafuku (talk) 06:16, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit protected}} template. -- Dane2007 ^talk 06:44, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

Oppose - Seems to be non-notable trivia. Mlpearc (open channel) 00:54, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

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Category:ASMRtists probably does not apply

No mention of the practice anywhere on the article (actually, same applies to two of the other three artists in the category).

181.115.9.117 (talk) 03:22, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Before Bob Ross Became the Guy Who Painted The Happy Trees

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Semi-protected edit request on 7 May 2017

Under "Commemoration and Pop Culture", note that the video "Back to the 90s" features singers who dress up like Bob Ross and mention him in their rap about memorable elements of 90s pop culture. 72.214.170.233 (talk) 16:42, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

References

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - Mlpearc (open channel) 14:40, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 May 2017

For inclusion in the pop culture section: On November 7, 2015, season 5, episode 22 of My Little Pony: Friendship is magic featured the character of Discord appearing as Bob Ross and painting a scene of Sweet Apple Acres, a place in the show. Later in the episode he briefly appears as Bob Ross again but this time painting a portrait of Twilight, another character in the show.

References: http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/File:Discord_appears_as_Bob_Ross_again_S5E22.png https://www.reddit.com/r/HappyTrees/comments/3rxx68/bob_ross_homage_in_todays_my_little_pony_episode/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_episodes#Season_5_.282015.29 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4534338/ Masonmouse (talk) 07:35, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2017

In May 2017,Hirez studio released a Bob Ross skin for the character Sylvanus for the popular MOBA game Smite Xapekuck (talk) 13:52, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. - Mlpearc (open channel) 14:38, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

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Education - left school in the 9th grade

I'm not a regular editor here, and I see there are edit protection issues, so I want to alert you to some new info about his education not in the article that I saw in a bookstore today. A small hardcover book of his quotes Happy Little Accidents: the Wit and Wisdom of Bob Ross "compiled by Michelle Witte" (a fan of his work) Running Press, Philadelphia, (c)2017 Bob Ross, Inc. ISBN 978-0-7624-6278-0, page 5, "Biography": "Although Bob lacked a formal education, it did little to hinder his success in life. He dropped out of school in the ninth grade to work with his father as a carpener. During that time he cut off one of the fingers on his left hand." GOOGLE BOOKS VERIFICATION Feel free to add this new info the article, worded as you deem proper. Thanks.5Q5 (talk) 15:53, 15 July 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 August 2017

Under the influences section there is a mention to the painter Bill Alexander who also has a wiki page- that name should be a link to get to Bill Alexander's page Koltronn (talk) 03:17, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: Per WP:REPEATLINK. Already linked at the top of the "Career as a painter" section. nihlus kryik (talk) 03:22, 19 August 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 September 2017

A new Bob Ross themed board game title Bob Ross Art of Chill from game publisher Big G Creative will be available in retail in early October 2017.

Not done: Sounds promotional, try again when the board game actually comes out and add a citation to your request. Also remove the external link. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 16:03, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Motivational speaker

As I'm looking up the icons of my childhood I noticed Robert Norman Ross does not have Motivational speaker under his credentials. I'm not sure how everyone else feels about him but growing up my friends and I watched him yes for the painting but mainly because he was so motivational. He made kids and adults alike feel like their was no such thing as defeat as long as you kept trying. If that's not a motivational speaker then i dont know what is. Shachelle87 (talk) 12:47, 27 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2017

Addition to 'Legacy' On December 16th 2015, Valve updated their game DOTA 2 to version 6.86. One of the changes was the addition of an active part to the "iron branch" item which allows players "to plant a happy little tree". An obvious reference to Bob Ross.

Sources: https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Iron_Branch/Changelogs https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Version_6.86 Sikamixoticelixer (talk) 12:41, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Gamepedia is not a reliable source. Also, any source you provide should explicitly mention Ross; although it may be "obvious" to you, it is original research to Wikipedia. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 16:12, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Edit request

Please add this to the bottom of the Bob Ross#Legacy (LEGACY) section.

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In November 2017, a spoof of Bob Ross and his TV show, The Joy of Painting was used as the basis of a teaser trailer for the movie Deadpool 2.

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References

-- 70.51.45.76 (talk) 07:10, 19 November 2017 (UTC)  Done Bod (talk) 21:06, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2018

change

or finding the DVD for sale somewhere

to

or on DVD HARevs (talk) 22:57, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

 Done Gulumeemee (talk) 09:53, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Spouse

Bob ross was married to Lynda Brown (?–1981; divorced) Jane Ross (1980s–1993; her death and also Gina unknown in 1993 he remarried Gina unknown till his death. Peoplesarepeoples (talk) 23:01, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Edit Request - Style section

Change "(jeans and a t-shirt)" to "(jeans and a button-down shirt)".

Every episode I've watched, he is wearing a light colored button-down shirt, not a tshirt. The photo in this article shows an example (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bob_at_Easel.jpg). Bswopes (talk) 02:38, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

 Done, thanks! ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 03:15, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Sons

This article shows Bob Ross as having 3 sons (Steven, Bob, and Morgan). None of the supporting articles reference "Bob" or "Morgan" and even the NY Times obituary only lists Steven (https://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/13/obituaries/bob-ross-52-dies-was-painter-on-tv.html). Bob's half-brother Jim has a son named Morgan, so there may be some confusion there (https://www.facebook.com/morgancameronross/videos/1484937048197718/) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.123.5.80 (talk) 19:32, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Inventor of space suit

At the Wikipedia home page, the article preview for Bob Ross lists 'inventor of space suit' as one of his descriptors. I don't know where the preview descriptions are held, so if someone does know and is able to correct it, that would be great. --TangoFett (talk) 04:25, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2018

Change WPIB to WIPB. WPIB is a radio station in Bluefield, West Virginia. WIPB is the PBS affiliate in Muncie, Indiana where The Joy of Painting was filmed. 75.35.47.201 (talk) 08:26, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

 Done Gulumeemee (talk) 09:11, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Rusty Shanks

In a 1999 episode of Dilbert, the Animated Series, Dibert, Dogbert, and Ratbert watch an educational show "Painting with Rusty Shanks," whose host is an obvious parody of Bob Ross. Should this be included as a Bob Ross legacy?