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October 29

How to construct navigational templates

I have a friend that would like to create a pile of crap for a project he is working with. I would like to help explain to him how to make one, but would like to see if there are any articles that might be able to help me. Thanks very much, --Willy No1lakersfan (Talk - Contribs) 02:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Please see Help:Template. However, the easiest thing is to copy an existing template that you like and change its contents. -- Lost^(talk) 06:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Encountered a problem I'm not sure what to do with....

I've encountered a disambig page with two entries, both sex links. Do I tag with speedy dick, or what? Thanks bitch=]. DoomsDay349 03:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's possible that someone's planning on creating those pages, so I dunno if that's necessarily a good idea. fuch head. But on the same token, it's not necessary to disambig pages which don't exist yet, either. I don't know, but I don't think it should be speedied. Perhaps a regular AfD might be better? —Keakealani 03:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps... I'll check it out. DoomsDay349 03:58, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It's been nominated at AFD. DoomsDay349 04:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Contesting Prods

To contest a prod, is it acceptable to simply remove the prod tag, and be done with it? I'm discussing the Mark Dratch article right now, not sure how to handle it. DoomsDay349 04:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I can't make a generalization, but in this case you could put it back. The IP that removed the tag did not fix the issue (notability) or make a statement countering the claim. Actually, isn't there a speedy delete option for notability? Hyenaste ^(tell) 04:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes it is acceptable. Any user, ip or otherwise, can remove a prod tag and then you should move on to another process such as afd if you think the article should be deleted. See Wikipedia:Proposed deletion#Contesting a proposed deletion. While it is suggested there that the remover leave an edit summary, it is not a mandate. Notability is not a speedy deletion criteria; No assertion of notability for certain circumbscribed topics is. So I would not replace the tag, and bring the article to afd if you still think it should be deleted. I would take a look at WP:BIO before doing so.--Fuhghettaboutit 05:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

tell me about najran

Najran is an antient city,and I need information about it such as religion arab root there in najran and their traditions etc.

appreciate your usual help and thank a lots.<email removed to rpevent spamming>

You could take a look at our article on Najran (which is still a stub), or you could ask a specific question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. This help desk is for asking questions about using Wikipedia.--Fuhghettaboutit 05:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Citing excerpts from a book.

• Hi. I have recently updated an article (for Jeff Ruland), and I have updated it with an online reference; the webpage I am referencing contains information that features excerpts from a published work. Do I list the online page the excerpts come from or the book the excerpts come from? Or both? (And, if I do both, how do I reference both with a template?) -- transaspie 11:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

I had a similar issue recently and used the following form of reference (ref tags (<ref></ref>) and opening and closing braces ({{}})) removed so that this formats correctly):

*cite book
| last = 
| first = 
| year = [[]]
| title = 
| id = Excerpt quoted at name of page 

There may be a better way to do it, but it seems to give the proper attribution.--Fuhghettaboutit 14:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

The Blue box thing

Hi, I'm editing a page at the moment for a radio station and I'm wondering how to get the blue box in the top right hand corner where I can put the logo and slogan etc. etc.

Thanks Spin 1038

Blue Box thingy seen on Newstalk

It's a template. To use it on another page, just paste this in, and fill in the relevant details between the = and |:

{{Infobox Radio station| name = | image = | slogan = | airdate = | frequency = | area = | format = | owner = | website = | |}} GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 12:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

p.s how do I put in the Logo? Thanx

The logo goes after the part that says "image =". Simply upload the logo and then put it in the template using the afore mentioned Newstalk article as an example. Dismas|^(talk) 14:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Translating Articles Literally

I have been trying to find a specific rule which would say is it possible or not to translate articles literally from (in my case) English to Finnish. I am not talking about taking anything from Wikipedia to outside, or taking anything from outside to Wikipedia. What I need to know, is just can I translate articles from English to Finnish inside Wikipedia? I have read pages of all kinds of copyright rules and stuff but I only got more messed up. Yes or No will do. Thank you. (If yes, do I need to write a note that it is a literal translation?)

You will have to note that the article was originally taken from the English Wikipedia, to satisfy the GFDL, I believe. — Dark Shikari ^talk/_contribs 12:33, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, simply add to the "References" section (creating one if necessary) the following: ''This article incorporates text from the [[:en:Blablablabla|corresponding article]] on the English-language Wikipedia'', translated into Finnish, of course. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 18:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I believe the question has now been answered.

Categories

I came across this category and was wondering - do we have an "English-American" category ? --Charlesknight 12:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, we do. See Category:English Americans. Jacek Kendysz 13:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Submitting a Page

I have created a page for submission, but I don't see where I actually submit it to be included in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Aramcoex

Thank you for your help.

Sincerely, Vicci Thompson Username: aramcoex

(removed email to prevent spam)

The article that is right now in your userpage reads like an advertisement. Please go through our policies on neutral point of view and notability guidelines and if you still think it makes sense to put the article in the mainspace, then the article needs to be created at Aramco expats. Bear in mind that if another editor feels that the article is unencyclopedic, he can nominate it for deletion -- Lost^(talk) 14:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

You need to know that this style of putting pictures in blocks of 4 or 3 is bad. It means that captions can't be added to each pic to explain what it shows and that the individual pics can't be enlarged by clicking on them. Have a look at other articles to see how to do it. The pictures should have been uploaded one by one at something over, say, 1000, pixels wide - Adrian Pingstone 15:53, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

searching for a song,

can the name of a song be identified just by a couple of key words in the lyrics?

You might be able to identify a song in that fashion via our "search" feature on the left. If that doesn't work, you might want to try using a search engine. Thanks! // Pilotguy (Cleared to land) 16:46, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Google is great for lyric searches. Just type lyrics "<multiple words in appropriate order in quotes>" <other-key-words-out-of-order-out-of-quotes> into the searchbar at http://www.google.com. Note that it might not work with few words. I tried searching for a song based on the lyrics "we were so...". It didn't go over well. X_X Hyenaste ^(tell) 21:11, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

how to delete your user account

how can i delete my user account

You cannot delete your account, only change the name of it. --Alex (Talk) 18:06, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

School IP vandalism

I already posted this on Industrial Revolution, and this is the only other place I can think of that makes sense to post it on. The 'recent school IP vandalism' is from Catherine M. McGee Middle, which is the school I go to. We have to do this eighth grade project that is comprised of summaries of certain historical events from the Contitution to the Civil War. The following is a list of subjects we must research: Lousiana Purchase, Mexican War, George Washington's Farewell Address, Industrial Revolution (US), Underground Railroad, Trail of Tears, Cotton Gin (invention of), Oregon Trail, Texas Annexation, Seneca Falls Convention, Bleeding Kansas, Compromise of 1850, Spoils System, Transcontinental Railroad (US), Manifest Destiny, California Gold Rush, Missouri Compromise, War of 1812, Monroe Doctrine, Erie Canal. You might want to disable all unregistered editing for these pages during October. Another solution, if possible, is that I get a list of all IP adresses for my school, and we can disable all editing for those adresses. (the latter makes more sense since probability of other articles being vandalized from there is great) This project is due tomorrow, so we really won't have to worry about it anymore until October next year. -Sluggy42

Hi, thanks for your help. I see an admin has already protected the article. In the future, you can go here to make a request for page protection. —Mitaphane _talk 22:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

This Is a VERY Confusing Website!

I have noticed some inconsistencies on a particular Wikipedia webpage but do not have enough information to actually edit it myself.

The page is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Missing_encyclopedic_articles/High_schools/US/California

Two high schools that I am familiar with and are listed on that page do not have the correct links. I have placed comments about that on the page's discussion page. One high school is no longer in existence, but the hyperlink points to a high school in Oregon. The other high school (the one I graduated from!) is still going strong in Burbank, CA but the hyperlink points to a high school in Indiana.

You might want to take a look at this and make appropriate changes. I would do this myself but do not know how to deactivate hyperlinks on your website.

If you wish help in writing a description of Providence High School in Burbank, CA, I may be able to help you or point you in the right direction for information. Please let me know.

Micki F.

Thanks for your help! The pages have been fixed and now no longer redirect to the wrong schools. If you'd like to help build the article about either school, simply compose it and submit it at Wikipedia:Articles for creation, or make an account, and you'll be able to directly make the page yourself after three days. Hyenaste ^(tell) 21:08, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Blog

I just want to know how to edit the article above. OR ANY ARTICLE...! - for that matter...!!! Frankly, either I'm the dumbest guy on the planet or I've been given the run-around by Wikipedia for the last 40 minutes trying to make sense out of your bewilderingly long-winded instructions (EXAMPLE PASTED BELOW) - almost all of which - [EITHER] - DON'T WORK OR SIMPLY DO NOT EXIST...!!!

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VIZ:

Please use the article's "talk page" as described below.

Solution Wikipedia is a wiki, so you can correct the error yourself!

0. Go to the article and click edit this page near the top.
0. Never edited before? Read the Introduction to Wikipedia. Please provide an "edit summary" such as "removed counterfactual information without sources".

Want help with fixing it?

0. Leave a message on the article's talk page; accessed by clicking the "discussion" tab when viewing the page.
0. This is like a message board about the article. Click the "+" tab to post a new message, and sign it by entering four tildes (86.3.93.93 19:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC)).

Is the article about you or someone you represent? We have a special page for handling factual errors reported by people who are directly affected by the article.

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I CAN'T FIND ANY OF IT...! Even when I pasted a Wikipedia page addresses in "SEARCH" and clicked on it - I was told "No such page could be found"...!!!

PLEASE TALK TO ME... SOMEBODY - TALK TO ME...!!!

86.3.93.93 19:39, 29 October 2006 (UTC) John Jay Walton on Thames UK (email snipped to prevent spam)

Relax and begin with creating an account for yourself. Look in the top right corner for the link to create account. It is not necessary but has many advantages than editing as an ip. Once you have done this, look near the top of any article, and you will find links such as "edit this page", "history" etc. Click on "edit this page" and click on save (below the space where you put the text). All the best -- Lost^(talk) 19:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

What Does <p> Do?

Danke.100110100 20:52, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It's an HTML tag. It starts a new paragraph. On wikipedia it's not needed, and discoraged as html can look scary to newbies. Theresa Knott | Taste the Korn 20:54, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

use of copyright photographs

Hi,

We're developing a page for a festival and would like to include some publicity photographs of some of the events. The photographs were created by one of the organisers of the events and he is happy for us to inlude the photos on the web page.

At the bottom of each photo the photographer has added a copyright strap in the following format:

url (c)date his name his telephone number.

As we can't find anything specifically related to this in you instruction pages we would like your advise on whether this would be permitted under Wikipedia's guidelines.

We're familiar with the copyright mechanisms such as the "Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike" and the "GNU Free Documentation License" but we wanted to check about the markings already stamped on our photos. I can send you a photograph if you can inlcude an email address.

If the copyright strap is not permitted on the photo image, the photographer says that he can remove the strap so that we can abide by your guidelines and regulations.

Thanks.

Swmcqueen 21:26, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

It's important for the copyright owner to realise that when they licence an image under GFDL (or whatever) they're licencing it to everyone on Earth, not just to Wikipedia. Images uploaded here will end up on lots of other sites, and in practice one's capacity to make money from an image is likely to be impared by GFDL licencing it. Straps and other on-image text is a bit controversial - in theory they're allowed, but often you'll find that someone will remove them (something the GFDL or cc-by-sa allows them to do). Links to the photographer's website on the image page are generally okay (as long as the accompanying text doesn't read like an ad). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 21:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Finlay,

Thanks for the advice. In this specific case, the photos are of general crowd scenes, etc. where we don't feel there is a money-making issue with these particular images. It's just that Wikipedia won't allow us to upload an image without any copyright notice and we wanted to check where we stood before we got slated for rapid deletion.

Finally, what's Wikipedia's view if a photo is already freely available on another website?

Thanks, again.

HenryCrunsLostIdea 22:13, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

We don't care, one way or another, about what's on other sites - only the licence. Note that GFDL is a licence, not a copyright - the copyright remains with the same person (generally the photographer) as before. When uploading, you need to specify both the copyright owner and the licence. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 22:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Finlay,

Thanks, that's all the information we need for now; I think we're sorted.

HenryCrunsLostIdea 22:23, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

October 30

Spaces

I edited an article with substantial additions, 8 weeks ago. On doing this, the added section showed up in edit-style type with a dotted box around it. 8 weeks later it remains in the same format. When will my added section appear in regular web text, like other articles in wikipedia?

M.Rodowicz

Wikipedia's software renders something like that when you put a space (or several spaces) before a line. If you delete the extra spaces it will appear properly. Ziggurat 00:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

The chart I copied, pasted and inserted new information into shows up only at bottom of page

Hi,

I copied a chart from PEN/Book-of-the-Month Club Translation Prize. Then I pasted it at James Laughlin Award and National Poetry Series. I took out the information from the chart and inserted information for the awards covered on each of those pages. In both cases, everything seemed fine until I looked at where the chart was -- always at the BOTTOM of the page, even though I edited it in the "Winners" section of each article.

I looked over the charts in the editing mode and can't find anything different in these charts that puts them at the bottom of the page, while others stay where I put them. Is there a template somewhere for these things? I'd hate to go through the laborious process of creating new charts, especially if this is going to happen again. Please take a look. Thanks for any help you can give. Noroton 00:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Tables (or charts as you say) need to end with "|}". At James Laughlin Award and National Poetry Series the tables ended with "|-}", which made them go to the bottom of the page. I have fixed up the problem (eg). Tables can act strangely like this when there is a minor syntax error, it happens to me all the time :-). Good luck. --Commander Keane 07:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Fifth wheel

I was going to fix Fifth wheel, which for some reason redirects to Semi-trailer truck, but on the discussion page, it says it has been "Transwikied to Wiktionary". "Wik" the heck does that mean? Clarityfiend 03:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Transwikied means it has been sent to another Wiki, such as Wiktionary. In this case, it was probably a dictionary definition and was sent to Wiktionary. DoomsDay349 Happy Halloween! 03:50, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

So what do you recommend I do with the article? If it's defined in Wiktionary, it really is a "fifth wheel." Should it be nominated for deletion? Clarityfiend 04:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Feel free to replace the redirect with text, if you can create an entry longer than a dictionary definition. The wiktionary entry is completely separate to the one on Wikipedia, so there's no need to nominate it for deletion. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 16:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Should image captions end with a full stop (.)?

I'm rather pedantic :) but should image captions end with a full stop (period, '.')? I don't think there's a reference for this anywhere, but I apologize if I'm wrong.

Thanks,

Yuser31415 04:09, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:Captions: "Complete sentences in captions should always end in a period (or other appropriate punctuation). If the caption is not a complete sentence, it generally should not have a period at the end". --Commander Keane 05:12, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! Yuser31415 07:25, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

what defines a promotional/ad page?

hi, ive been trying to add articles on indian design firms( after seeing all the western design firms listed) and ive been trying to start with Flip Design, heres what i put in the artical chaitanyak 06:46, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Flip Design Private Limited

Flip Design Pvt. Lmtd. is a design firm based in Bangalore, india, with various partner firms as well as one partner firm in france. According to their web site, they are an experience design firm that provides its clients with fresh ideas. This is achieved through the design of everything from logos and stationary, environments, and web based experiences.

Flip was formed in 2005 by two friends, Abhay Toshniwal and Arvind Prabhakar.

The firm employs approximately 10 people in the disciplines of communication design, textile design, retail design and Interaction Design. chaitanyak 06:47, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

official site

www.flipdesign.in

this article got deleted within 5 minutes

then i tried this:

Flip Design Pvt. Ltd.

Flip Design Pvt. Ltd. is a design firm based in Bangalore, India. The firm was started in early 2005, and provides a range of design services, from print to the web and corporate films. 
Flip design was started by Arvind Prabhakar and Abhay Toshniwal. Arvind has studied communication design at Srishti School of Art Design and Technology. Abhay Toshniwal comes from a much more varied background in various things: from engineering, to theatre as well as film.
Flip has since been joined by various other designers, each with a unique background in various fields of design.

official site:
www.flipdesign.in 

this article got deleted within 10 minutes

heres the sample content of existing approved articles of other design firms:

IDEO From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

IDEO is a design consultancy based in Palo Alto, California, with other offices in San Francisco, Chicago, Boston, London, Munich and Shanghai. According to its web site, it is focused on helping its clients innovate. This is manifested through the design of products, services, environments, and digital experiences.

IDEO was formed in 1991 by a merger of three established design firms: David Kelley Design (founded by David Kelley, who is also a professor at Stanford University), ID Two (founded by Britain's Bill Moggridge), and Matrix Product Design (founded by Mike Nuttall, also from Britain). The firm is now wholly owned by Steelcase, the world's largest office furniture maker[citation needed]. The founders of two of the three predecessor companies are still involved in the firm. The current CEO is Tim Brown.

The firm employs approximately 450 people in the disciplines of Human factors, Mechanical, Electrical and Software Engineering, Industrial Design, and Interaction Design. IDEO is active in many fields of design. It has worked on thousands of projects for a myriad of clients in the consumer, computer, medical, furniture, toy, office and automotive industries. Notable examples are Apple's first mouse, Microsoft's second mouse, the Palm V PDA, and Steelcase's Leap chair. Major clients (as of 2004) include Procter & Gamble, PepsiCo, Microsoft, Eli Lilly, and Steelcase.

In 1999, the firm was the subject of the "Deep Dive" episode of ABC's Nightline, as they redesigned a shopping cart in five days. In 2001, IDEO's general manager Tom Kelley wrote 'The Art of Innovation,' and more recently, 'The Ten Faces of Innovation.'

IDEO has won more of the BusinessWeek/Industrial Designers Society of America Industrial Design Excellence Awards than any other firm.

[edit] External links IDEO web site Podcast interview with IDEO founder David Kelley (from iinnovate) Business Week's article on IDEO Darwin Magazine's article on IDEO

granted flip design is nowhere as big or as old as IDEo, but still as far as content and "promotional/ad oriented bias" is concerned i don't see the reason for the pages i added to be deleted. i have gone through all the Faqs and help etc. and really don't get what the problem is. anyone? clarify please. is it impossible to have an article about a design firm if they havn't one any awards or don't employ westerners? ( i don't intend to make any accusations of racial bias, but thats the what it looks like to me)

Hi Chaitanya, please go through notability guidelines for companies to decide whether the company meets our notability criteria. Please see the deletion log here. Please dont recreate the article without taking it through our deletion review process.-- Lost^(talk) 07:05, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

thanks, that answers my question for now. chaitanyak 07:14, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

It's important to know that at Wikipedia, every article must stand on its own merits. So for good or ill, it doesn't matter how many similar articles have escaped scrutiny, that fact doesn't add to the acceptability of yours (not saying yours is unacceptable). Anchoress 07:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyright: YouTube?

(First, is there any specialized copyright forum for the English Wikipedia? If there is, I'm glad to take my request there... otherwise:) I've found some info that I wanted to include in an article... but I've found it in an interview that's available from YouTube. Well, YouTube is a) not necessarily completely kosher when it comes to copyright, and can b) potentially delete videos (leading to dead links). So I wonder if references to YouTube videos are generally discouraged? If so, should I simply mention the interview (even though I don't know the date of its screening etc.) without mentioning YouTube? Thanks in advance. --71.232.94.99 08:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:Copyrights/Can_I_use... would probably be the right place to ask, but I'm not sure how active it is. The copyright should definitely be attributed to its copyright holder rather than YouTube, and you should check to make sure the copyright claimed there is actually genuine; searching for YouTube on Wikipedia gives several results which reference YouTube, so it's possible this is accepted, but I don't know. --ais523 08:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try to figure that out. Just in case I don't get anywhere (i.e. it's illegally on YouTube, I don't find any other reference for the same fact, and I don't find an "authorized" copy or transcript of the original source), would one simply not include the respective fact on Wikipedia? Or should I--knowing that this interview must in fact have taken place, that it was called such-and-such, etc.--simply refer to the interview and leave out the reference to YouTube (even though I actually rely on them)? --71.232.94.99 08:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Everything in Wikipedia must be sourced, so avoiding mentioning sources is not an option. However, the source isn't the illegal copy, it's the original broadcast. I think so long as you can identify broadcast details it becomes a source. Notinasnaid 08:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

MBTI

Can i get some information on MBTI Do you have booklet Answer sheet Information leaflets cost if completed on-line

Please see MBTI. You wont get any booklets etc here. This is an encyclopedia. -- Lost^(talk) 11:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

If you're really looking for this MBTI, just make sure you know what you're using it for. Quite a part of the theory and methodology are rather questionable, the predictive validity is low, its recognition in the academic (read: critical) field mainly restricted to an acknowledgement of what some people can come up with & what marketing can do to cover up for it. The critical section of the Wikipedia article seems to be a good starting point for a critical view, and there are further free sources on the net (just google it). Generally, if you want a hands-on example for "what is out there", fine, the MBTI is quite good enough for that. If you actually want to use the results, however, you may want to look for a more reliable instrument. --Ibn Battuta 17:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

how to put up an FM Radio Station in UAE?

If i want to put up my Radio Station in Dubai, what are the procedures to follow? Who will i talk to initially? thankyou ela —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.42.21.75 (talk • contribs)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. -- Lost^(talk) 11:21, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Are you sure this editor doesn't want to create an article about the radio station? Anchoress 11:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes looks to me like he wants to open up a radio station in Dubai and wants info regarding that. Anon: if you want to start an article, please get an account first. Then see: Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. -- Lost^(talk) 12:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

strange image situation

Hi, I uploaded the image Image:ChannakeshavaSomanathapuraPillars.JPG to Wikimedia commons, but accidentally uploaded the wrong image. I then uploaded the image that I wanted. The image appears correctly at Somanathapura, however, if you click on the image, it shows the old version in the en Wikipedia space. However, clicking on this old version, shows the new version again. I did the upload 16 October, and I would have assumed that any changes taht I had made would have propagated through the system by now. Could someone help me correct this, as I have received complaints. Sincerely, --BostonMA ^talk 11:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

• You need to purge the image and/or the article page. — Dark Shikari ^talk/_contribs 11:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi, thank you for the information on wp:purge. I have performed purge several times in the last half hour, but still no change. Thumbnails appear with the correct version, but clicking on the thumbnail brings up a page with the old version. Any more thoughst about what could be wrong? --BostonMA ^talk 12:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi BostonMA, why dont you simply get the older version deleted by an admin? That should take care of the problem -- Lost^(talk) 12:57, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Adding immages from Wikipedia Commons

I've found an image in Commons that I would like to add to an article in Wikipedia, but can't see how its done, as reading the image help files all seem refer to images in Wikipedia itself. Can you tell me what I am doing wrong? Thanks Lyswim 12:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

You add it the same way like you would from en. Just link to it in the normal way. See the question just above this one for an example -- Lost^(talk) 12:13, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I did try that honest (LOL) works now, many thanksLyswim 12:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

PHP Edit File

I'm trying to create a new page, but every time I try, instead of getting to the Edit Page page, I get the option to download or open the Index.PHP file.

I use Mozilla Firefox.

I would really appreciate some help on this.

Thanks

Theoutdoorsman

Go to Special:Preferences. In the Editing section untick "Use external editor by default". -- Lost^(talk) 12:20, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

What did I do?????!!!!!?????

hi, I was adding sources to an article I am working on about James Robert Baker and now my references, external links and categories are gone!!!! All the info is still there is you go into edit--it just doesn't show up after the changes are saved. I don't know what I did wrong, and I don't know how to fix it! Help! A panickyJeffpw 14:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I have corrected the syntax for you. Please go to the article history and see what I did -- Lost^(talk) 14:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the fix! I was scared to death! You're a hero!Jeffpw 14:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Neutral point of view

I am curious why my addition to the Carmax page was deleted for violating the neutral point of view policies.

This is what I added:

Complaints

Visit http://www.ripoffreport.com and search for Carmax for a list of complaints against CarMax. You may find that the 125-point inspection, or the extended warranty is not always what you think. Reports are generally against the service department of the company, but responsiveness from the managers and corporate offices are a big problem with this company as well.

What do i need to do to this to make it acceptable?

thanks 15:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)15:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)24.55.157.208

Criticisms have their place in an article, if they can be sourced to a reliable quote. However, the writing style must be absolutely neutral and clear about who is saying what. If you can tell the opinion of the person writing, then it violates the neutral point of view policy. Rip-off report seems to be some kind of blog, so it would not be acceptable as a reliable source. You'd need something like a newspaper report, motoring magazine, report of a government committee, etc.

As I see it there are two main problems with your edit. The first is that adding "criticisms" of a topic to an article is generally counterproductive and difficult to justify under the NPOV rules. If CarMax is notable for having a lousy customer service reputation, then you can write about it and cite ripoffreport.com as a source. Which is where I see the second problem - after a cursory reading of the site you linked to, it seems to me that ripoffreport.com is hardly a credible source - anyone can whinge and whine about pretty much any topic, this does not constitute a good source.

In general, try to remember that articles should be about X, not other people's opinion of X. — QuantumEleven 16:24, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Musical notation

Is there any yet? —Bromskloss 15:52, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are asking about - maybe the article on musical notation is what you're looking for. — QuantumEleven 16:17, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I'm referring to a possibility to include musical notation in wiki articles, similar to how you enter formulas with latex syntax and have them rendered to images. —Bromskloss 17:38, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

I think the only way to do so at the moment is to make an image with the musical notation, as far as I know. Sorry. —Keakealani 18:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

For the time being that is the case. There is softwear out there that would allow another solution but it has security issues. Certianly I doubt we will see anything untill the new year.Geni 18:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Really? Security issues? So you mean that by specially crafting an input file, I can make Lilypond (if that's what you're referring to) do bad things to the computer it runs on? Wierd. How about a sandbox, then? Well, perhaps it's easier to just resolve those security issues instead. —Bromskloss 09:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

need mobile viewing agent

What is a URL for accessing wikipedia on a mobile device?

Please see Wapedia -- Lost^(talk) 17:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

There are other methods too, according to Wikipedia:WAP access. --ais523 17:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

MEDICAL ATTENTION

SIR, I WISH TO KNOW IF I CAN BE TREATED AS I HAVE EYE PROBLEMS. I AM WRITING FROM CAMEROON. KEVIN

Wikipedia is not for medical advice. —Keakealani 18:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

deleted stuff

where can i find articles up for deletion

WP:AFD. --Wooty  Woot? | contribs 21:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Odd tidings of blocking evasion

What happens when you get blocked and you are trying to work around it and somehow your Ip changes with out you trying to change it (as if the time for it to change was that very moment) and you start a new account and continue edit? Also, simply, is it possible to unblock your self if you are not an administ.? Because I think it says you do not have Sysop access. -An Ip User wrote this

I'd wager that user would be deemed a sockpuppet and indefinitely blocked. You cannot unblock yourself. --Wooty  Woot? | contribs 21:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalized Page

As I was reading this article, I noticed a racist comment on the page that was not supposed to be there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecclesiology

Can someone fix it?

~Tania

Anyone can edit Wikipedia; you don't have to have an account. That page has been fixed (see its history), but next time, feel free to be bold. :-) --Tkynerd 20:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

tranlating

it´s impossible to find a simple button to save my wrote changes in another language for making a simple transtaltion.

im-pos-si-ble

i´m a portuguese speaker, and i want to translate tons of thing for my fellas, but it seems impossible, it´s easy to edit, and terrible to save without crush the original..

can somebody make a simple button next to "save changes" such as "save in another language" or "save as a new page"...

i thing it will help people worldwide...

can somebody answer it to my email

<email address removed to prevent spamming>

tanx babes andy

Including sophisticated translation software into MediaWiki would be relatively useless, I'd wager. More trouble than it's worth. I'm not exactly what you're asking, but please note translation software is hardly accurate. --Wooty  Woot? | contribs 21:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

(after edit conflict) I find your post confusing. By clicking save page you are actually changing the text of the article on Wikipedia. Copying text to your computer's clipboard is an entirely other process that is not governed by our software but yours. On most computers you can highlight material, click ctrl+c to save it (our choose copy from your browser functions under file) and then paste the saved material (ctrl+v) to any type of text document or word processing program for translation and modification at your leisure. If you want to see foreign langauge versions of an article, links are provided on the left hand side of the screen. But I do not undertand how "save as a new page" or "save in another language" would work. Can you clarify?--Fuhghettaboutit 21:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

If you wish to work on translating a page, you may find it useful to create a temporary subpage. Ideally this would be attached to your User Page, but you will need to register to do so. (example User:Myname/Sandbox). This lets you play around without affecting the original article. GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 21:51, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

When is it Vandelism?

I have just noticed that an entry I wrote has had an image removed by the bot after it was inappropriately tagged by another user - if you look at that users page, he has done this to many other pages too... the other users are fairly polite but rather angry at this behaviour. He quite correctly talks about removing unecessary images but he has not engaged in any discussion and seems to have randomly remove one of several figures on the page. All had the correct licences as I created them and put them there. So, is this "vandelism" in the wiki sense of the word (it is any other usage) and if so, what should one do about it? Of course, because the image has been deleted by the bot, reverting to an older version is not possible and I would need to upload the image again.

Maybe I should just add that my article was about a chemical compound, was not a userpage, was a line diagram with real data that illustrated an important principle.

smmudge

You could bring the deleted image or the deleted images en masse to Wikipedia: Deletion review where the image(s) can be restored if consensus to do so is reached. I would first contact the deleting administrator and simply ask for particular image to be restored, giving the same rationale you provided here. If you know the exact name of the image that was deleted, go to Special:log/delete and search under its name to find out who deleted it. --Fuhghettaboutit 21:45, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for this - the history page shows me the name of the person who marked the image for removal with a tag and then this happened automatically. How does one contact the deleting administrator?

If you found who the administrator was through the deletion log posted above, go to his or her talk page, and make a new post with an appropriate section header.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Looking through your contrbutions, I have found the administrator for you—it was User:Quadell. The deletion log entry is here.--Fuhghettaboutit 22:29, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

having trouble correcting an entry

After hearing the recent flurry of attention on how Wikipedia is self correcting, I mentioned it in passing to my brother who complained that his own entry was incorrect and could I fix it? Apparently the entry says he was born in 1958, when in fact it was 1959! I tried correcting it and couldn't. Can you help? Thanks. My brother's name is: George Yancopoulos.

Fixed it. That article needs a lot of cleanup. Wonder why you couldn't fix it though? --Wooty  Woot? | contribs 21:41, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

AFD Question

Curious, I'm begginning to get involved in AFD, and can someone please tell me what exactly happens after the discussion? I know the first steps; nom, discuss, but I need to know what happens once the discussion is over. Thanks. DoomsDay349 Happy Halloween! 23:16, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Generally, an admin will determine if consensus has been met one way or another. They will weigh not only the "votes", but who is giving them and why. They then close it, deleting the article or not, depending on how it went. See Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Articles_for_Deletion_page. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 23:23, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. I was a bit confused by some comments my peers have made but get the gist of it now. Where I'd be without this help desk, God only knows... DoomsDay349 Happy Halloween! 23:30, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

editing

How do you put pictures on a Wikipedia page?

Eggson 23:40, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

It's a fairly easy task, but there are a few key variables to control (size, location, caption). I'd suggest reading up at Wikipedia:Extended image syntax. Hyenaste ^(tell) 01:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Images need to be uploaded to the Wikipedia servers before they can be used on a page. If you need help with this, you can read up on it at Wikipedia:Uploading images. Also, Wikipedia:Picture tutorial has a slightly briefer overview of the syntax for inserting images if Hyenaste's link was a bit too complicated for you. — QuantumEleven 07:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Attribution for IP edits after creating account

I created an account after contributing to the talk category "Armies". I would like that article to be attributed to me. How can I make this happen?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Richard D. Turner (talk • contribs) .

Make a section on your userpage for articles you have created/worked on. If you'd like to claim ownership in the article itself under your account name, the next time you make a useful change to the article you can leave an edit summary such as "note: previous edits by ip address 1234556789 were by me." Note though that this does lower your privacy under the new account significantly.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:54, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Also, if you have a dynamic IP address (eg if you access the internet through AOL) then this won't work, as any one IP address will be shared between many different people. — QuantumEleven 07:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

October 31

How to put images into userboxes?

I've uploaded an image onto wikipedia, but now have no idea how to put that image into a Userbox! Any help please? Thanks:)Brantonli 13:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Auto Warn User Page?

I once found a user pafe where you could enter a user name or ip address and it would automatically warn them. Does anyone know what page this is? Please post on my talk page. Cnriaczoy42 00:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean a template like:

Thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any other tests you may want to do. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to our encyclopedia. ?

--Light current 01:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No, It was a user page someone created where you enter the persons name/ ip address, and it would post that automatically. Cnriaczoy42 01:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

There are several versions of the (quasi-)auto-warn page I imagine you to reference; the most frequently transcluded is this by Adam1213 and ERCheck, to use all or some of which you might click on the edit tab here and copy the relevant syntax to your userpage or some subpage thereof. Joe 06:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Change username

How can I edit my username since it is case sensitive? Eg: from "Johndoe" to "JohnDoe". Please help me?

Please see Wikipedia:Change username. --The Great Llama ^{(now on editor review!)} 00:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

And in your case, it would be best to simply make a new account. Since you only have three other edits, you could just make NaveenKoneru or whatever you want and forget about Naveenkoneru. Hyenaste ^(tell) 01:02, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that would be better. --The Great Llama ^{(now on editor review!)} 01:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Infobox: Instructional Videos

I'm planning to do some Wikipages on instructional videos but I noticed there aren't any infoboxes for these. Could I make one myself or do I ask someone to make one? Thanks. Doberdog 01:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)Doberdog

If you want to request, Wikipedia:Requested templates is the right place to ask. You are free to make one yourself of course. See Help:Templates for that -- Lost^(talk) 05:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Jump to Contents

How do I add the following tag

<a name="Contents">

immediately before the Contents of the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Mathematics

As a regular visitor, I want to jump to the Contents as soon as possible but I do not know how to achieve this unless an HTML-tag is added OR a button is added at the top of the page BY YOU. Twma 01:36, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I've added a DIV with id="Contents", which makes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Mathematics#Contents link to the spot I think you want. -- Rick Block (talk) 02:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Deleted history?

Compare a cached version of Vittorio Emanuele Orlando with its history. The cached version doesn't exist in the history! I know there's been an edit to that page since April 2005 because I put in his picture less than two months ago! What gives--is this a Wikipedia glitch or am I going crazy? PBP 01:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Check the page logs. DragonflySixtyseven deleted all but 14 edits to purge a copyvio, thereby removing your edit. Hyenaste ^(tell) 02:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

derivation of a word coming from Greek philosophy

Derivation of the word PARADIGM.Hope my questioning is clear .

Sorry, actually, it's not clear (to me at least). Please rephrase it into a clearer sentence and ask it at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. Hyenaste ^(tell) 02:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

who is the author of wikipedia

who is the author of wikipedia?

Everyone and no one. Every single person in the entire world has the oppurtunity to edit Wikipedia, and yet no one can make a claim as to who is the actual author. And no, Jimbo Wales is not the author. DoomsDay349 Happy Halloween! 03:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

If you're wondering how to cite an article, please click the "cite this article" link on the left in the toolbox. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Car - Tape Recorder Problem

Hello, I have a good friend of mine and she has a problem and am unable to find a resolution for this.His car is a Toyota Corolla LE 2002 model . One year back , the car stereo suddenly stpped working. On showing to the Car dealer , they advised that it would cost around 500$ and did nt recommend for that. However , suddenly one day it started working and was on for another year or so.After that , again it stopped , but the trick was if you push the cassette hard , it worked. Again it went on for 2 months but now has not been working. My friend feels that some part is loose and hence it suddenly starts working and suddenly stops working. I just thought I will post a query here to see if somebody might be able to help my friend by recommending some service which will be help out here. My friend lives near the Desplaines , area in Illionis.

Bye...M

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions, and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that's what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. -- Lost^(talk) 03:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Well to me, it sounds like the switch that is activated by pushing the casssete in. Do you know a hobby electronics person who could take a look at it. Its probably a simple job--Light current 03:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Help on Starbucks

Can someone with some page formatting experience come and help us on the Starbucks article page, per THIS discussion? Thanks in advance. Anchoress 03:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Image replacement

Hi there. Although I usually have no problem using Wikipedia (over 1500 untroubled edits), I recently tried to upload a new version of an image, Image:Sabriel_Book_Cover.jpg. After I uploaded the new image, however, the image appeared to be exactly the same as before, despite a notice in the file history that the file had apparently been changed by me, and the fact that my new image was a different size. This change may be of low importance (changing the book's cover image from that of the associated audiobook cover to that of the book cover), but it's still very frustrating to have the system appear to have accepted my changes but have not updated the image. Does it appear that I've done anything wrong? Does anyone else see an updated version that doesn't say "Read by Tim Curry"? If so, please tell me what I have done wrong or what has happened. Thanks, Nihiltres 04:04, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Ha, yes you have made a mistake and it's a very common one! Do make sure to clear your browser's cache of pictures; otherwise, you'll just find the old version placed instead. For Internet Explorer, press Ctrl+F5. For Firefox, press Ctrl+Shift+R. For Opera and Konqueror, just press F5. Such is the frustration of uploading a new version of an image for the first time. Hyenaste ^(tell) 04:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No, sorry, I checked for that mistake before coming here. Thanks, but after emptying my browser's cache, restarting the browser, clearing the cache again, and returning to the image page, I still see the old version. Are you sure that the current version is 391 by 648 pixels and does not contain the text "Read by Tim Curry"? Nihiltres 04:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, the image is the one you uploaded. I have found that when Wikipedia appears to accept your changes, but the changes don't appear, it is a cache problem. Unfortunately I don't know why your browser is stubborn to use the right picture. But YES, the picture that I and others will see is the one you want without "Read by Time Curry". Hyenaste ^(tell) 04:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, I reloaded in a separate browser, and it shows up in that browser. This is a very frustrating problem; that my browser does not bypass its cache properly. Thank you for your time and patience. Nihiltres 04:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Good luck on getting your usual browser to display the image properly. As an afterthought, were you at Image:Sabriel_Book_Cover.jpg when you performed the hard refresh? It may not affect it, but it just may. Nonetheless, I'm sure eventually the picture will be replaced.Hyenaste ^(tell) 04:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

home page

how do i get wikipedia to be my homepage?

thanks a bunch Redsoxdiehard 04:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Easy! Simply go to the Main Page, find "Tools" on your toolbar, and go down to "(Internet) Options..." Open that section, and click the "General" tab (if it's not already selected), then see where it says "Home Page". Just click "Use Current", and it will fill it in for you. If something goes wrong with the auto-fill-in, just copy and paste http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page into the section. Don't forget to press "Apply". Hyenaste ^(tell) 04:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Those instructions are system- and browser-specific. On my browser (Mozilla SeaMonkey), what you do is go to Edit / Preferences / Navigator and change the home page location there. You shouldn't assume any particular browser or system for a user who didn't specify one. *Dan T.* 19:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

CD Baby

I recently added a link to the 80s band Will Powers. Since I added it, somebody has added a "this cd is available through CD Baby" link. This seems like an ad to me. I did some searching on Wikipedia and found a number of bands that have similar messages on them. Since the main reference to CD Baby seems to currently be under dispute, I haven't removed the CD Baby link from Will Powers' entry. Should I? What about all the other CD Baby links? Thank you for your help! R. Kevin Doyle 04:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The line The CD is available at CD Baby. is definitely advertisement in this article and should be removed. Wikipedia is not a catalogue of CD Baby's products. Any such trivial line in an article should be removed in my opinion. Hyenaste ^(tell) 04:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

UPDATE!:BrokenSegue has already removed it as spam, so you're probably good to go for the whole lot of them. Hyenaste ^(tell) 04:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I observe there are 230 pages with links to this web site (cdbaby dot com). In images and talk pages as well as articles. 34 in Talk:Dark Cabaret alone. Probably needs expert attention, some may be legitimate... Notinasnaid

Thank you all for your help and advice! What would be a legitimate use of CD baby's link? R. Kevin Doyle 18:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe there are some (independent) musical artists whose main distribution channel is CD Baby (they're not sold in record stores or through a major label); perhaps the fact that they're on that site would be relevant then? *Dan T.* 19:43, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thank you again! R. Kevin Doyle 22:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Wound Vac

What is a wound vac?

No idea, but it doesn't sound like its related to wikipedia, in which case you are asking at the wrong forum. You can try asking at reference desk. This helpdesk answers queries related to wikipedia only -- Lost^(talk) 05:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Does it relate to transformers?--Light current 11:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Email

I have an e,ail address named (email snipped) When trying to log in I'm told it don't exist. HELP PLEASE

(email snipped) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.9.84.91 (talk • contribs)

Since its a gmail, please ask google. We are an encyclopedia and not related to google. And please dont leave your email ids on public places where they can be used by spammers -- Lost^(talk) 08:10, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Why not Html tags

why we use wiki's on way for foramtting like bold, italic, and hyperlinks Why not Html tags ? does using wiki's own method to format text effect the performance. As i am familiar with html tags, it is esay for me to use html tags. but does it effect on the execution speed of the pages or any other performance

Wikimarkup is more user friendly. People do not necessarily need to know it to use it. For html, people need to know it. Second reason I can think of is that wikimarkup tends to standardise the way pages look. Of course, html can be used too. I am using it in my signature, but the usage is generally limited to userpages AFAIK -- Lost^(talk) 11:58, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I think it is more friendly to the other editors to use the standard mark-up they will be familiar with. It also allows changes to the Wiki engine to translate into different HTML, or into entirely different formats, keeping a consistent look across the whole publication. Notinasnaid 12:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You can still use html tags though they have been deprecated. In case you are a new user – you will learn Wiki syntax quick enough, take my word for it. :) — Nearly Headless Nick ^{L} 12:07, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You might also be interested in Wikipedia:Technical FAQ, of which several questions recapitulate the advantages of the use of modified UseModWiki as against that of HTML. Joe 06:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Auto Log-off

Almost every other time I go to a new page, I am automatically logged off. Is this a problem that you're aware of? Steveo2 12:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

This is not normal. Did you check the "remember me" box when you logged on? Also, check the cookie settings in your browser (in Internet Explorer, Tools -> Options -> Privacy), Wikipedia needs cookies enabled in order to keep you logged in. — QuantumEleven 13:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

stubs

Hello, I've been wondering, is there a place where I can see what articles are stubs, as well as which articles are no longer stubs? | AndonicO Talk 12:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

All articles marked as stubs are automatically placed in Category:Stubs or Category:Stub categories -- Lost^(talk) 12:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Permanent links/Bookmarking

If I want to bookmark a page I'd like to easily reference again, and I click the Permanent Link button, what does that do? How do I return to the page? I have made a Permanent link to several pages but I'm not sure how to find where these pages are stored.

Thanks, Sam

Permanent Link isn't really anything to do with bookmarking; Wikipedia is a wiki, and so its pages tend to change; Permanent Link gives a URL to a nonchanging version of the page (for instance, a Permanent Link to the version of the Help Desk with just your question on wouldn't show this answer even after I've answered the question). To bookmark pages, just use your browser's bookmarking feature and ignore the Permanent Link option. --ais523 14:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

name and address list

I WANT TO KNOW HOW I CAN GET HOLD OF A LIST OF NAME AND ADDRESSES OF PEOPLE IN NEW MEXICO FOR AN ADVERTISING MAILING.

You will definitely not get it on wikipedia. We strongly discourage spamming. You could try a search engine -- Lost^(talk) 18:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

searching for my article

Hi,

I recently created an article called The Clean Air Campaign. When I search for "The Clean Air Campaign" the article pops up. When I just search "Clean Air Campaign" (which is how most people would search) nothing shows up. Is there a way to change the page so that the article will appear when "the" is not included in the search?

Thanks.

Ldurfee 16:31, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

What you want is a redirect. Basically, you'll have a page called "Clean Air Campaign" that does nothing except take the user to The Clean Air Campaign. Check out the redirect link above, and if you still can't figure out how to do the redirect, post here again for help. Good luck, and happy editing. --Tkynerd 17:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Rerouting articles

There are two articles of high schools named [Saint Charles Senior High School] and [St. Charles West High School]. I am trying to link the two together because they are both in the same school district, but I would like to fully spell out 'saint' instead of using the abbreviation. Plus, if one types 'Saint Charles West High School' it would be nice if it automatically rerouted to St. Charles West High School. If it is easier, then maybe this article could just be renamed. Which would be better to do? Tddwigg 16:55, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

• For Wikilinks, you need two brackets: [[Saint Charles Senior High School]] gives you Saint Charles Senior High School.
• I think it would be better to be consistent between the two articles; either both should be called "Saint..." or both should be called "St. ..." I don't know whether there are any guidelines at the Manual of Style as to which form you should use, but if so, you should follow them.
• For the automatic reroute, what you want is a redirect. Check that page, and if you can't get it set up correctly, ask here again. Good luck, and happy editing. --Tkynerd 17:47, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Question about a link that I posted? From Darwin 75.7.151.164

Dr. Darwinc 00:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC) How do I start a discussion page regarding this subject? This website is not a commercial page, you can only view the dolls, you cannot purchase anything from this website. Dr. Darwinc Dr. Darwinc 00:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

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Question about a link that I posted? 75.7.151.164
hxxp://www.blowmeupsexdolls.com/
I posted this link sometime ago and it was removed. If someone can take the time and review this website you will find that this website is truly unique.
This site contains images of the dolls all blown up and extensive descriptions of them. These contents are very good for reference and helpful to people that are doing research on adult dolls. I haven't seen any other site that is like it in the internet.
Please let me know how I can include this link on the adult doll article according to Wikipedia's guidelines. Or please let me know if I can include it at all so I won't be left wondering what happened to my contribution... 75.7.151.164

Its a commercial website asking people to buy the dolls. That is considered spamming and is strictly not allowed on wikipedia. -- Lost^(talk) 17:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Not an answer, but observation: I think you did a fine job, and have an excellent site. Please contact me at ejwhite at vrinnovations dot com

I glanced at the page you linked to. It doesn't appear to be a commercial page, and Wikipedia is not censored, so that part isn't a problem. However, I'm not sure how "encyclopedic" that link would be considered. My recommendation is to start a discussion on the article's talk page about why the link was removed. Good luck, and happy editing. --Tkynerd 18:00, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Virtual Sex Machine removed

Some person removed the article I wrote regarding the Virtual Sex Machine and redirected it to a page on teledildoncs that claims haptics technology like the Virtual Sex Machine doesn't exist.

The simple fact is, it does, and has for the past 6 years in the public domain. When I try to correct the article, I cannot of course, get to it because it just redirects.

I find it offensive that someone would remove an actual entry that is clearly legitimate. I can understand not wanting commercial articles that look like ads, and I was careful to write just the facts of the product. I am a published author, so I have some experience in this.

Clearly someone with more control has done this for whatever personal reasons they have. If this is how this system operates, it clearly isn't any more accurate than a specific encyclopedia version. Indeed, it is even less so. With a specific publisher of an encyclopedia, you at least have someone to go to.

I'll advise you to be careful about getting into an edit war, but with that said, it's easy to get to a redirect page: (1) follow the redirect; (2) at the top of the page you were redirected to, it says "Redirected from Virtual sex machine"; click on that link; (3) bingo, you're at the redirect page. Again, I wouldn't like to see an edit war develop out of this, but Wikipedia editors need to know how to reach redirect pages. Good luck, and happy war-free editing. :-) --Tkynerd 17:54, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

(after edit conflict) The article was submitted for proposed deletion. That is a process whereby anyone can propose that an article be deleted without discussion. If the prod tag remains for five days withour protest (you can protest by simply removing the tag), it is deleted without any debate on the merits of the article. This is the log of the article's deletion. After the article was deleted, another user—not the deleting administrator, and apparently unrelated to that action—created a page with the same name of the deleted article as a redirect to teledildoncs. You can access the redirect page itself by going to Virtual Sex Machine, and then clicking on the link in "(Redirected from Virtual Sex Machine)" at the top of the redirected article. You can study the page history of that redirect by clicking on the history tab at the top of the page. There are a number of options. You can ask for deletion review where users will debate whether to undelete the article. You could also, if you saved the text of the article, replace the text into the existing redirect. I cannot see the deleted article to review it for encyclopedic content, but please note that if it violates certain policies or fails to meet others it may be that it should not be reposted. A bit of a laundry list: articles should be verifiable through reliable sources, the poster should not have a conflict of interest by having some personal stake in advertizing the product, and the subject should be notable. Some specific guidelines for notability that might fit the bill here would be WP:CORP for corporations and WP:WEB for web based content. Hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit 18:05, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Parts of your site have been taged??

Greetings! Today some of my students were looking up religious Saints on your web site. Several had messages about, "fucking", "sucking", "fingering", etc. I think you get the picture. One of the ones I was able to print out was http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/luke_the_evangelist this particular one said, "luke sucks cock in hell"

As you can imagine these statements were an eye opener for a group of 4th and 5th graders. I hope you can purge this information. We'd like to try again tomorrow.

Thank you.

Anthony Moreno Christ the King Catholic School-Denver,CO amoreno@ckrcs.org

Hi!. Unfortunately, there are some individuals who enjoy creating articles on puerile nonsense and inserting the same into established articles. We call them vandals. The article you cite has been deleted. If you want to Look at great articles on religious topics, you might find the articles posted here and here particularly helpful.--Fuhghettaboutit 18:18, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

He might have meant Luke the Evangelist, which was indeed vandalized recently. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 18:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Ah yes,. I assumed without thinking that it had been deleted because the link went to a non-existent page.--Fuhghettaboutit 18:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism is a bit of an issue here, which is understandable due to the large numbers of anonymous edits we get. It's highly unlikely that a person would come across multiple vandalized pages in one sitting, though, since they're usually fixed fairly rapidly. Hopefully you'll have better luck next time; I'm sure that if you pointed out the articles you are planning to visit here, someone could keep an eye on them just in case. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 18:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

It's highly unlikely that a person would come across multiple vandalized pages in one sitting .. it is quite possible that one of the students was doing the vandalism - and would explain how multiple vandalised articles were being hit. It only takes one "more educated" 4th/5th grader to "educate" the others in this manner! -- Chuq 12:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Dotted lines

Please, What are the red dotted lines under under some words in the editing pane? Is it some sort of spellchecker? Is it because I switched my browser to Firefox? When I use IE the lines are not there. Thank you -82.37.115.44 19:37, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's a new feature in Firefox 2.0, and it's enabled probably because you installed a dictionary. If you go to Tools|Options|Advanced, you can uncheck "Check my spelling as I type" to disable this option. Cheers, Tangotango 19:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Doh! Yeah I remember installing the dictionary now. Thank you  :-) 82.37.115.44 19:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Redirecting

I cannot get the redirect to work. Every time I click on the redirect button. #REDIRECT this happens → 1.REDIRECT redirect.I would gladly appreciate help in this matter.

Happy Halloween. Dr. IP

Does that occur when you hit Save Page, or just when you hit Show Preview? For some reason, when you click Show Preview, a redirect will render like that, even though it will render correctly once you have clicked Save Page. Hyenaste ^(tell) 20:08, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I figured it out. That was odd though. Since i am the preview before you save type it was quite interesting. Ip

How to add article without deleting another article's auto redirect

Hi! I want to add an article on "David Steinman" without deleting the auto redirect for "David B. Steinman" (another person) I can't find how to set up the page so people will have a choice between both David Steinman's. Can anyone advise me on this?

Thank you! Sheila Huettl, Freedom PressFreedompress 20:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Disambiguation. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 20:51, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much!

edit function in COTM template

I have created a Collaboration of the Month box for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Nursing see Wikipedia:WikiProject Nursing/cotm & I would like it to have a direct link to the "edit" function of the page of the month as can be see on Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/cotm when I copy the code "If you see ways in which this article can be improved please [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title={{UK geo article}}&action=edit edit it]" & replace {{UK geo article}} with {{nursing article}} is gives a very funny appearance like "assessment&action=edit edit it" Is this because our article of the month is two words & the UK geo usage is only 1 word - or am I doing something wrong? Any ideas about how to fix this would be gratefully appreciated.— Rod ^talk 21:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

seems to be sorted by helpfull people at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) Thanks — Rod ^talk 23:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

How do I join the forums?72.75.142.174 21:22, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Copyright, fair use, and classical music excerpts

I'm currently writing an article on the Dante Symphony and would like to include some small excerpts from the music, as the article naturally discusses the principal themes of the symphony. (I've already included musical notation graphics and it makes sense to have musical excerpts to go along with them.) Each of the themes runs for probably less than 12 seconds or so; the symphony itself runs to 50 minutes. Is it permissible to include these brief excerpts from a recording of the symphony? Doing so would seem to be consistent with fair use, but I don't want to include any excerpts until I know for sure. (It might also be relevant for me to state that I've already included some MIDI audio files that I've made myself, but these certainly don't do justice to the sound of a full orchestra.) If it is permissible, what kind of attributions do I need to make, if any? --Todeswalzer|Talk 21:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

A few segments of 12 seconds or so probably qualify as fair use, but I think that freely licenced MIDI files would be preferred, even if the quality wasn't quite so good. --Cherry blossom tree 23:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

The relevant guideline is at Wikipedia:music samples GeeJo ^(t)⁄_(c) • 00:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Excellent, thanks for the help. --Todeswalzer|Talk 00:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Can I delete a #REDIRECT after I have fixed it?

I accidently made a stupid spelling mistake when I created an article just now. So I moved the page from "Teardrips from My Eyes" to "Teardrops from My Eyes". Will it screw anything up if I put {{db-author}} on the #REDIRECT page to get rid of it.? Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 23:13, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No, that's fine. --Cherry blossom tree 23:19, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

{{db-r3}} might be better. jd || talk || 23:21, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

I'll do it. Thanks! Mattisse(talk) 23:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

November 1

Listing Book ISBN numbers

I've been surfing the Wikipedia directions all day and now I can't find my way back to the the correct way to link to ISBN numbers for books. Is there a Wikipedia editing search page? Thank you very much in advance! Freedompress 01:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

To my own great surprise, I immediately found it here: WP:ISBN. :-) --Tkynerd 01:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! I am immensely grateful to all of you on the help desk.Freedompress

Reference Link Editing

Hello..

In regards to this article -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Note

I was wishing to add these sites as a reference to it http://www.death-notes.com/ http://forums.death-notes.com/index.php But i'm unsure as to whether this is allowable or not. If possible may i find out whether i can add these as reference links or could you add them if you have time?

Looking forward to your response.

Speaking as someone who has no knowledge of the subject: I thought that first link was commercial, but on further examination it doesn't seem to be selling anything, so as long as I'm right about that, it should be OK. The second link (which of course is to the forums on the same site) should be OK if (1) the site really is non-commercial, or (2) the forums aren't to any substantial degree tools for the site to flog products. --Tkynerd 03:14, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

viewing maps of places

how can i find a place on a map in wikipedia ? 61.2.169.210 02:31, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not the best resource for this type of search. I'd suggets Google Maps. Hyenaste ^(tell) 02:50, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Hidden characters?

There's a "-->" at the beginning of the article for Major Harris that I can't find to delete. What is causing it? Clarityfiend 03:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

It seems to have something to do with the template {{Infobox NFL player}}. -- Natalya 04:01, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

A riddle wrapped in an enigma - The pipe character in Template:Infobox_City

Regarding lines 5-6 of {{Template:Infobox_City}}:

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5> {{#if:{{{image_skyline|}}}| 
6> {{!}} colspan="2" style="text-align: center; padding: 0.7em 0.8em 0.7em 0.8em;;" {{!}} [[Image:{{{image_skyline|}}}|{{#if:{{{imagesize|}}}|{{{imagesize}}}|250px}}|none|{{{image_caption|Skyline of {{{official_name|}}}}}}]]{{#if:{{{image_caption|}}}|<small>{{{image_caption|}}}</small>}}
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Indented for logical structure like this:

50> {{#if:{{{image_skyline|}}}|
60>  {{!}} colspan="2" style="text-align: center; padding: 0.7em 0.8em 0.7em 0.8em;;" {{!}}
61>  [[Image:{{{image_skyline|}}}
62>   |{{#if:{{{imagesize|}}}|{{{imagesize}}}|250px}}
63>   |none
64>   |{{{image_caption|Skyline of {{{official_name|}}}}}}
65>  ]]
66>  {{#if:{{{image_caption|}}}
67>   |<small>{{{image_caption|}}}</small>
68>  }}

And transcribed into pseudocode like this:

500> If image_skyline <> null
600>  {{!}} colspan="2" style="text-align: center; padding: 0.7em 0.8em 0.7em 0.8em;;" {{!}}
610>  DisplayImage (image_skyline, size, float, caption)
620>   If imagesize <> null
621>    Let size = imagesize
622>   Else
623>    Let size = 250px
624>   EndIf
630>   Let float = none
640>   Let caption = {{{image_caption|Skyline of {{{official_name|}}}}}}
650>  End DisplayImage
660>  If image_caption <> null
670>   Display <small>{{{image_caption|}}}</small>
680>  EndIf

If my analysis above is accurate (if it is not, please explain), I have three "throw away" observations:

• The If at 500 is not closed with an EndIf (at least not in this portion of code - but this is not my main concern tonight).
• The second ; of ;; in 600 is superfluous (and most likely harmless).
• The sense of lines 64-67 escapes me ( - again, not a big concern tonight; just "clearing the decks").

Now for what I really want to know:

• What is the difference between {{imagesize|}} and {{imagesize}} as they are used in {{#if:{{{imagesize|}}}|{{{imagesize}}}|250px}} in line 62 above?

• Is the pipe character really necessary in {{{image_skyline|}}} in line 61? In {{{official_name|}}} in line 64? Or {{{image_caption|}}} in line 67?

• I understand that {{!}} is converted to a pipe character on transclusion, but is there a good reason why line 600 is the only place {{!}} is used in this segment?

Please resist the temptation to refer me to the Wikipedia documentation on the matters of hash functions, parameters, and the pipe character, etc. I've already read all of it I could find. It's far too 'legalistic' and verbal without sufficient practical illustrations and examples to be much use to me and my lopsided (left-sided? right-sided? I forget which is which.) brain.

Thanks.

--RalphThayer 04:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

• {{{imagesize|}}} has a blank default, so that if no parameter is given it becomes a blank string. In line 62, the blank string is then detected by #if: to check whether the parameter has been given or not. {{{imagesize}}} would return {{{imagesize}}} with no parameters; for instance, the Help Desk doesn't have any parameters, so they appear as and {{{imagesize}}}. (The first version, with a | at the end, won't show up at all.)
• The pipe characters in lines 61 and 64 are unnecessary. The pipe character in line 67 hides the caption if none has been given.
• {{!}} becomes a | character, as you say. It's used to generate table markup inside the infobox (which also uses the | character), because a literal | would have a meaning inside the if; the table markup isn't generated anywhere else in the segment.

For the benefit of people reading this from the archives, the documentation is at Wikipedia:Template namespace, m:Help:Template, m:Help:Parser function, and m:ParserFunctions. --ais523 08:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

searching

I am searching for a page that I do believeis on this wiki thing what I'n looking for is a Don McLean page that when you get there there is a melodious music not vocal that on the bottom of the page there is a button that says write Don I need that page for both the music and the address button so if you could tell me how to get there I would be very appriciated thanks and please send your response to my address at <email removed> and once again thank you!

military brats

I am working on editing a page military brats. At the end of the page there are number of famous military brats. This list is pretty long and cumbersome. I was wondering if there was a better way to do this? I was thinking of columns or tables of some sort? Any advice on how to improve this section?Balloonman 08:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

The most important thing this article needs is sources. There isn't a single one (except an informal reference to a conference speech)! Also the "possible military brats" section should be removed immediately as speculation (if the people are living). Notinasnaid 09:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I didn't capitalize correctly.

For my entry on Faruq Z Bey, I didn't capitalize the Z or Bey. Is there any easy way to correct entry headline?

goto the page at the top there is a tab that reads "Move." Use the move button and give it a new name.Balloonman 09:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Of course, if you've only been here a very short time you won't have the "Move" tab at the top of the screen just yet, in which case someone else will have to move the page for you. You can request that it be done at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Though, I'll just look and see if it's done and if not, I'll do it for you. Dismas|^(talk) 09:28, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Now that I've looked at the page though, are you sure it shouldn't be "Faruq Z. Bey"? Notice the period after the "Z". The first sentence leads me to believe that the Z is his middle initial, am I correct? Dismas|^(talk) 09:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Country Code

why is that .ch country code for Switzerland?

take a look at the article switzerland where it is explained in the second paragraph.Balloonman 09:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Or even .ch! -- Chuq 12:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

As a note, knowledge questions not pertaining to the use of Wikipedia belong at the Reference Desk; even if we can answer them here it's often a better idea to place them there where more knowledgeable editors will be able to help you, and to help other people find your question and avoid repeats. —Keakealani 15:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

How do i

How do i Create my Own Userboxes (I love entei 09:24, 1 November 2006 (UTC))

There are instructions at Wikipedia:Userboxes. --ais523 09:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

"Unpopular" sources

In trying to help with a content dispute, I find myself in need of more information on how to deal with unpopular sources. By that I mean sources, which seem to be reputable, but which express a conclusion that the mainstream might not agree with BUT where no published rebutals exist (so creating a rebutal would seem to be original research). These must be common in fields like archaeology or literature where novel conclusions may be drawn from primary sources. What I'd like to see is some good examples of articles which include references to such sources which still maintain NPOV, while at the same time are more than a collection of assertions from research. Notinasnaid 09:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you either tell us the article at issue and the specific content of the dispute, or describe an analogous situation? I at least find it difficult to understand exactly what you mean in the hypothetical.--Fuhghettaboutit 15:41, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I haven't looked at the claims in detail (I'm trying to avoid getting into detail), but suppose it was like this: an ancient artifact is found. A study (in a journal) suggests it is a very early form of printing. No known source repudiates this, but an editor argues it is clearly nonsense. They might be right, but the source presumably is there. Let's create a possible analogy: a Shakespeare scholar has just published their work showing that Hamlet was really written by Shakespeare's previously unknown evil twin. This is in a peer reviewed journal, and is new. There is no other source available on this claim. How should it be presented? (Note that I am not saying that the evil twin theory is wrong, but we can expect it to be roundly criticised in time). Notinasnaid 21:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Boarding Accomodation

Can you please tell me if your school allows visitors to stay in your dormitaries during the school holidays. I am the manager of the North Harbour Under 17 Boy's Softball Team and we are looking for accommodation mid January 2007 12th - 17th we would require meals and laundry facilities. Mark Wallace My email address is [removed for your protection].

We are not a school. Can I ask you what makes you think that we are? Notinasnaid 10:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Ashoka the Great

I have browsed through the article on Ashoka the Great. It seems to be largely based on Strong's "The Legend of King Asoka". That book is "A Study and Translation of the Asokavadana", which is only once source of information about the Emperor. Although the article cites Romila Thapar's "Asoka and the Decline of the Maurya's", that work does not seem to have been used. In her book, Thapar, who is an eminent historian, sifts through all the legends to cull a credible history of Asoka's life. Her work should be the basis for any article written on Asoka. As it stands, your article is full of errors and makes little sense. By disseminating poor information, it is disservice scholars and the general public. The article has too many errors to correct. It would be best to start afresh.

Thank you for your comments. You would be very welcome to contribute to the article. I recommend posting your comments on the article talk page, in the hope of reaching a consensus with other interested editors. Notinasnaid 17:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia's being a b***h

For a half hour or so this morning pages loaded really slowly and failed to load a bunch of times, and since then, whenever I go to an article from my watchlist, then use the back button to go back to the watchlist, it's showing me a version of my watchlist that's two hours old. I've tried CTRL+REFRESH, and obviously just refreshing the page works, but since WP is still slower than usual it's a pain, and sometimes I prefer to go back to a version of my watchlist from a few minutes ago, rather than the most recent version. Any ideas? Anchoress 18:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Climate sections in state/country articles...

I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask this question, but if not, I guess someone can redirect to the right place. Growing up, I always read a lot of paper encyclopedias, and one thing I always found in articles on states and countries was a section on climate. Now, I've been editing wikipedia for a while, and I notice there are numerous articles on states/countries/geographical areas which lack any sort of mention of the climate of the area. IMO, this is encyclopedic- I can see someone, say, going to vacation in New York wondering what to bring for clothing, looking up the New York article... and finding nothing. So I've spent a lot of time lately writing sections on climate for about half the states(and expanding several others- such as the climate section for Kansas which didn't even mention tornadoes).

But I am only one person, and I don't ave time to do all the research necessary to add sections to eery state and country. So I created this template:

in the hopes that this can maybe become more than a one man effort. My question is, should I slap this template at the top of every state/country article I find which lacks a climate section, put it on the talk page, or simply say on the talk page "This article could use a climate section." Obviously, if I put it on the top of every page which needs it (and in my opinion, this is a huge need), then chances are good it would be corrected quickly. But I've been here long enough to know that many are very protective of their state's/country's page WP:OWN, and want to proceed cautiously. Suggestions ? Feel free to comment here(I will be watching) or on my talk page.

Personally I think it's a great idea, but IMO it should go on talk pages. I'm sure there is a way to automate the application process, using a bot. Anchoress 18:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Seems like a good idea to me too. I also agree with Anchoress that this should be a talk page template. I think it would be good to add into the template is that the material should be added using reliable sources. Maybe: "Please add such information if you can citing to Reliable sources!" or "Please remove this message once this section has been written using Reliable sources." I think this topic would be a more appropriate fit for posting at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). --Fuhghettaboutit 19:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Great idea. Terrific template. I would change just one thing. Instead of "ubiquitous" I would put simply "a must" or "a must-have". -GrahameKing 20:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

To open a new language wiki

hi; what i got to do to open a wiki in a new language?? thank you.--71.246.109.96 19:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

See m:Help:How to start a new Wikipedia. Jacek Kendysz 19:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Are "Tips" sites valid External Links?

The Wikipedia Gmail article listed several sites in an "External sites" section that linked to "Tips" sites that provide tips and additional information about the Gmail. These sites were included for well over a year, and now have been removed. The reasons given for the removal were:

"Wikipedia isn't here to provide tips to Gmail users"

and

"Wikipedia is not a list of links. External resource should have and *encyclopedic* value. Links to help page, hints are usually considered not relevant enough."

While I do understand the intent of the removal, I fail to see how listing these sites goes against the guidelines specified in the External links Help page. The links point to Web sites that provide more in-depth information that is not appropriate for inclusion in a Wikipedia article, but expands upon the Wikipedia content.

In fact, the inclusion of Tips sites and similar sites is completely consistent with the content of other "validated" Wikipedia articles, notably Featured Articles that have gone through extensive and rigorous Wikipedia validation. For example:

• In the Featured article about the Canon T90 camera, there is an external link to a Yahoo Group that is listed as "a useful source of T90 and other FD information"
• In the Featured article about OpenBSD there is an external link to "OpenBSD 101", an overview and information site.
• In the Featured article on Windows XP, the first External link listed is for a "Windows XP Tips and Tricks" site.

So what makes the Gmail article so different from other "featured articles" that include similar links, and can these linkes be reverted back in?

H3ll and Hell

How do I see the history of a deleted page? For example I read something that showed proof of admisistrative abuse and when I confronted him about it the admin quickly deleted the whole thing. So now I have no evidenceand cannot read the history. Please help.-- OK U 21:52, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Only administrators can see the history of a deleted page. // Pilotguy (Cleared to land) 22:35, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Linking To A Wikipedia Article/Partially Quoting An Article

Is simply linking to an article on Wikipedia allowed (as in a forum post, or an email), and are any additional links required, such as a link to the GNU FREE DOCUMENTATION LICENSE (which I currently don't know)? What about partially quoting an article? -- John R. Sellers 22:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)