Talk:France national football team

NEWS *** NEWS

I think a good idea would be to create a new sub-heading entitled '2010 World Cup Controversy', this could include the France-Ireland game, and also the recent news that several of the staff have resigned and the players have refused to play. There is to much information to be put under the general heading 'History'. CrucialCoconut (talk) 17:28, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Quite agree, but I think it should be a separate topic regarding France's fall of grace in terms of international football. They managed to get to the World Cup final in 2006, but in Euro 2008 they didn't get past the 1st round, and even in the current World Cup (South Africa 2010), they may well not get past the group stage. Tie in the arguments between Domenech and the players, and it will signify a large change in the French squad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.9.9 (talk) 08:21, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

*NEW* Jean-Louis Valentin *NEW*

This is relatively recent news, Team Director Jean-Louis Valentin has resigned, following an argument over team training. No articles I know of have been published, but this is where I found the news out: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/matches/match_28

Please feel free to comment, as to whether this should be reflected on the related pages, as nothing is confirmed, as of 20/06/2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AJStyles1992 (talk • contribs) 15:17, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Wenger

Wenger has never been at the France national team —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peking91 (talk • contribs) 15:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

New Jersey

There is a new Home jersey for World Cup qualifying that France is currently using. It is here [1]. The official website [2] shows pictures of the team playing in this jersey. Lintsniffer (talk) 00:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Multicultural Section

There is an objection to the fact that Italy's World Cup-winning team contained no ethnic minorities, citing Mauro Camoranesi as evidence. He may have been born in Argentina, but ethnically he is Italian. His family emigrated from Italy to Argentina, which explains his surname and the fact that the Azzuri called him up before Argentina. Therefore he may be of a different nationality, but he is ethnically Italian, thus not a minority. An example is Owen Hargreaves. He was born in Canada to English parents, thus making him eligible to play for England. Nobody refers to him as an ethnic minority because of where he was born, so Camoranesi's case ought to be the same. - esp —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:02, 12 September 2008 (UTC).

Correct, and Agreed... I've restated it in a more obvious way at the bottom.

I've corrected the offending part, which seems to be trying to gloss over the fact that his grandparents are Italian, and he is genetically, biologically, ethnically, and culturally overwhelmingly Italian; they also got his position slightly muddled: I do wish far lefties would read the sources they cite! Perhaps they prefer "Truthiness" to evidence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.126.11 (talk) 08:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Name

Shouldn't this be called "French national football team?" The current name sounds bizarre. Funnyhat 20:00, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

No it is France National Football team, you would say french national football team to describe a national football team as french, i.e. from france. However, to describe the team with a single noun you would use France as it is a noun, not an adjective as french is. This is important as France national football team is undeniably the national football team that represents the country France, and not just a national football team that could for some or other reason, be described as french. eg. the senegalese, cameroonian, gaudeloupian, etc. national football teams are arguably french, but could not be reffered to with the noun France National Football team. Philc _T^E_C^I 21:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

You really think "French national team" would cause confusion? I can't imagine a team from a different country ever being called "French." I mean, do you think say, the Nigerian or Ghanian teams would ever be called "English?" Funnyhat 01:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it sounds awkward. Nevermind that it may or may not be grammatically correct according to 53% of English Scholars, etc. etc.

The French National Football Team would sound better.

France National Football Team is the correct way to say it. They can be referred to as 'the French', but 'France' is the name of the team. You would say, "France are playing Italy tomorrow," not, "the French are playing the Italians tomorrow." The latter sounds insufferably pretentious. - esp

Except it's not the French that'd be playing the Italians is it, it's the "West Africans & the Maghreb Arabs & Berbers"! It's much easier to say "France", as it's not only less syllables, but nicely covers up the fact that there are no ethnically French people in the team!

they're french!! They're born in France and they have french nationality.

2006

The fate of France in the 2006 world cup have the same space that 100 years of history... that's ridicolous.

That's something I've disliked about Wikipedia from the beginning - the modern bias. It's like that on the vast majority of Wikipedia articles about modern subjects that change over time. Things from the past don't suffer from this, but I could see the length of a section on say, George W. Bush's death, being longer than the section about his first term. That's the modern bias for you. - esp

Vandalism?

The article was carelessly edited here by User:Kpillai. I attempted to revert and include subsequent edits, but unfortunately it didn't work so subsequent edits will have to be done again. --Oden 21:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that was vandalism, it looks like the dreaded Firefox tabs Google Toolbar bug. --Cyde↔Weys 21:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

It is plausible. I left a message on the user's talk page concerning web browsers and long articles. --Oden 21:31, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Zidane headbutt

The article currently states "Also in the 110th minute of extra-time, captain Zinedine Zidane received a red card for headbutting Marco Materazzi of Italy in the last game of his playing career, the third time he has been sent off on a red card for headbutting in his career."

I only know of one red card for headbutting (in addition to today's) - one with Juventus when he headbutted Jochen Kientz of Hamburger. - Slow Graffiti 05:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Headbutt Haka

In light of the headbutt, the French soccer team should have a haka to be used when playing against Italy. At the end, instead of a throat-slitting action, the team will pretend to headbutt their opponents. Scott Gall 09:39, 8 September 2006 (UTC) PS: And no, we are NOT having a throat-slitting action at the end.

World Cup record

France’s World Cup record, for 1998, lists 7 win out of 7 matches. However, their match against Italy ended 0-0 and they progressed only on PKs. The match should count as a draw.

For example, Argentina lost to Germany on PKs in 2006 but the match is correctly recorded as a draw.

Jirongi 13:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Jirongi is correct. I had corrected this but user Funnyhat changed it back to 7-0-0. I don't do edit wars so I hope other users will post here. Draws are draws. Penalty shootouts in world cups are the current method of determining who plays the next round, but statistically, and in reality, nobody won the match. Note: the 1982 record is also shown incorrectly, it should be 3 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses. This is common knowledge for anyone who follows international football. It is always been this way, and showing things different than the reality only makes Wikipedia look worse. Please amend these errors. - ChaChaFut 04:29, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Captain

I have changed the captain on the infobox into Patrick Vieira, since he was and still is the current France captain. His appointment as captain were announced on August after the retirement of Zinedine Zidane on this page. Moreover, statistically, since August 2006, he has captained France 7 times and Lilian Thuram has only captained France 2 times (both during the absence of Vieira on March 2007 matches). Also when both Vieira and Thuram are playing together, Vieira is the captain. Hence, I think the infobox should shows the current captain, not the temporary stand-in captain. Feel free to comment on my thought here. Thanks. Martin tamb 09:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

You are correct. He's just injured. He is the captain until he is formally replaced as captain. FFF.fr refers to him as captain in a brief article/picture mentioning his visit to his teammates ahead of the pair of matches this week. - Slow Graffiti 19:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

wiltord

'members of the 1998 world cup winning team are in bold' in the bits about most caps and goals wiltord was in that team but hes not in bold —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.32.53.166 (talk • contribs) 08:23, June 3, 2007.

Despite having comparable caps to Vieira and Henry, he actually was not. Wiltord made his first appearance for France the following year (February 10, 1999) against England when he came on as a late substitute for Youri Djorkaeff. He made his first major tournament debut at Euro 2000 when he scored the last minute equalizer in the final. The 2002 World Cup was his first. - Slow Graffiti 20:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Fixtures & Results

Hello! Does anybody think this section would be useful for the page? I have looked at other national teams and many seem to have upcoming and most recent match dates and scores listed. Thanks for consideration.

Abou Diaby

Diaby has been called u for the U-21 squad not the senior squad, it says on the Arsenal website, here is the link.

http://www.arsenal.com/article.asp?thisNav=News&article=481019&lid=NewsHeadline&Title=Internationals:+Arsenal+stars+set+to+go+globetrotting

Diaby was called for the friendly with Slovakia in late August, so at the time, the article was still correct. It is now incorrect: it lists the squad for Italy/Scotland, yet whoever updated it failed to update the call-up date and such. - Slow Graffiti 18:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Platini era

Why were France unfairly knocked out in 1986? I think that was a regular Game. And if i remember correctly, Platini played in that game!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.41.103.247 (talk) 03:45, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Away kit

Isn't there a mistake with those away colours ? That red & blue kit looks more like Spain to me, France have always played in White as the 2nd kit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.251.27.162 (talk) 20:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Nope, it might look strange but suprisingly it's not a mistake. That's the away kit France will wear during EURO 2008 finals this summer. In fact, France already worn this away kit during their friendly match again Spain in Feb. this year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Viva69 (talk • contribs) 14:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

mexes

wtf, why hasn't mexes bee selected for the 08 squad. Bad move that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.12.167 (talk) 16:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Because he's too French. --217.172.29.4 (talk) 06:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess that he wasn't selected because he didn't fit the team tactics or that he wasn't considered good enough. To the ludicrous Russian bigot above: French isn't a race but a nationality, Guadeloupe between others overseas territories from which are originating some of the French team's players -those you seem to find too colored for your retarded stereotype of the typical French- are part of France since centuries. Maybe go out of your cave someday. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sensi.fr (talk • contribs) 19:31, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Arsene Wenger

Since when did Arsene captain the French side? he never played for them. Boils (talk) 23:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I just edited out Wenger and replaced him with Platini. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boils (talk • contribs) 23:40, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Camoranesi

This part: "observing that the Italian team contained no ethnic minorities,[7] although this observation is not true as Italy midfielder Mauro Camoranesi, who was in the team at the time, is from Latin America."

Is incorrect, Camoranesi is ethnically Italian; his original nationality may be South American, as many ethnic Italians live in Uruguay and Argentina, but only an imbecile would conflate the two things. It was therefore correct for the assertion to be made that the Italian team contained no ethnic minorities, because a nationality is obviously not an ethnicity. So can we please remove this fallacious challenge.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.32.126.11 (talk) 08:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Zidane era

There seems to be something missing at the end of this section. I'm not sure what, it just doesn't feel like it flows into Euro 2000 properly. 81.108.87.117 (talk) 16:10, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it's the fact that it doesn't mention the 1998 World Cup, at all. It basically ignores the most important part of the France national football team's history.

Henry hand ball

The article is clearly inadequate in reflecting what transpired in the Ireland match yesterday. When protection is removed, if it hasn't been fixed, it will be rectified.99.245.37.46 (talk) 23:14, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

You could suggest an improvement, and use the {{editsemiprotected}} template to request a change, or wait until protection expires. However, the incident is already mentioned in the article, and this may be enough (otherwise there is the problem of undue weight on recent events). snigbrook (talk) 01:27, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Given magnitude of global coverage and outrage, this is not subject to "undue weight" clause. The current mention and citation create a false impression that one media outlet reported Henry's handball, when the payer himself has admitted to it and press coverage has been non-stop since the event.Bubalazi2 (talk) 00:43, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Fixed.99.245.37.46 (talk) 16:34, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

When will there be a mention of this controversy on this page? To say "qualified" for SA 2010 and no more is surely a bit of a joke... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.192.24.230 (talk) 18:08, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

This is football. Cheating or injuring opponents is a part of the game (Maradonna against england, Schumacher against france, Henry against Ireland, Suarez against Ghana (Quarter finals WC 2010) etc etc...)you can not always cry about every unfair facts in a football game... There are nothing about Battiston's jaw destroyed by schumacher?? And yet, that was unfair... This is football!! Sankaa (talk) 14:30, 8 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sankaa (talk • contribs) 14:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Grammar

@Joao10Siamun (who says "They (France) procured a draw via (by means of) controversial circumstances (Henry's handball). What's the problem? You do know via is a word right?.") Yes, of course I do know that "via" is an English word, albeit one overused and misused by non-native speakers of English, but just because it is a word doesn't mean it is correctly used here. Hence my suggestion that a native speaker decide on this sentence - however you decide to revert (which seems a bit arrogant to me!). Can someone else from the UK or the USA comment on this please? The present wording sounds awful and, in fact, sounds like it is trying to weasel around a very unpleasant episode in French football. To finish, "You do know via is a word right?" is not exactly a polite or helpful way to present your case either.... 79.192.46.229 (talk) 14:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I am in no way being impolite or arrogant. I am just confused as to what you are arguing. You seemed to be declaring that the sentenced is so screwed up that no one can understand it, but now you say that I am covertly weaseling around Henry's handball. Clicking on controversial circumstances brings you to the situation. Thousands of people view this page daily[3] and you seem to be the only one that has a problem with it. I just don't get why the sentence seems so bad to you.Joao10Siamun (talk) 16:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Not that "no one can understand it", just that it is strange English. Like I say (again), how about letting a third party decide...79.192.46.229 (talk) 17:53, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

"Starlets"

The word "starlet" is currently used in the article to describe young French players. "Starlet" is not a synonym for "young star;" it is a young actress in the film or television industry who's pegged to be a star when older. It has a decidedly female meaning and isn't used in sports. I'd change it myself, but the article is locked for some reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.57.108.55 (talk) 15:58, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

911,000 Google hits for 'football' and 'starlet' together</ref> says otherwise. Obviously the word's meaning has evolved.

Edit request from And-Seaman, 20 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} So I change That Nicolas Anelka dosen't play for the French Football Team Anymore

And-Seaman (talk) 12:39, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done - by Joao10Siamun. Set Sail For The Seven Seas 206° 26' 30" NET 13:45, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

2012 World Cup

Perhaps someone (with more thorough knoweledge of the subject than I), should include information about controversy surrounding the French team's refusal to practice, following the recent dismissal.Mk5384 (talk) 03:16, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Zidane-Materazzi case and racism

"The Zidane-Materazzi headbutt incident in the 2006 World Cup final and its aftermath served as a symbol for the larger issue of Europe's struggle to integrate its non-white immigrant population: even though both players denied it, international media speculated for days about the presence of a racist element in the exchange, observing that the Italian team contained no ethnic minorities."

Speculations were simply unfounded (not proven anyway) and came out either from bad faith or from incapability to read the lips of one person speaking Italian. I think the statement in italic is non-neutral since it suggests the media were right despite the denials. It should at least be reversed. Actually, even though media speculated a lot, both players denied: is there any reason not to trust Zidane? And the circumstance that the Italian team contained no minorities, which media maliciously pointed out, seems to be completely irrelevant from a NPOV. --79.46.66.75 (talk) 16:30, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

france out of 2010 world cup

something should be put about them crashing out of world cup —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.111.130.109 (talk) 07:51, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

As me and SineBot have said, an article entitled 'Recent World Cup Controversy'would comply with the last three discussions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CrucialCoconut (talk • contribs) 10:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Intro Edits

Made it clear that Zidane is a multiple winner of the POY award. Also, removed the sentence "France and England share the record of having one World Cup victory," since it isn't really a record and does not highlight any relationship between France and England. Jairuscobb (talk) 06:03, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

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France men's national football team?

Why is this article (and other articles about men's national football teams) only called "France national football team", instead of "France men's national football team"? As I see it, there are two French national football teams: the men's national football team and the women's national football team. The article about France men's national ice hockey team is called "France men's national ice hockey team". I can not see why football is different. EriFr (talk) 10:40, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree. I suspect that Wikipedia has a mix of treatment (national v men's national) across the various national teams in various sports. I would like to see them all standardized to specify the gender, but I don't particularly want to do all that work. Rks13 (talk) 20:37, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

Comments on "C"-assessment

A quick look at the WP Football quality scale learned that the article still falls short for B-status.

Reasons:

• Citation. The article core (everything without the lead) has 31 paragraphs from which 17 without any reference, and 6 with just a single reference. Try to find one reference from a reliable source for every paragraph, and also any important or controversial material which is likely to be challenged should be cited.
• Balance. More than 900 words are used for the racial issue. Many national football teams obtained a multi-ethnic appearance throughout the 20th century, among others England, the Netherlands, Belgium and Switzerland, but their Wikipedia articles barely comment on that. IMO this topic should become at most a paragraph in the History section.
• Illustrations. A picture of an often used home stadium is welcome, if possible also images in the Competitive record section - not absolutely necessary, but it would make the sections a lot nicer.

Backtostart (talk) 08:52, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 1 April 2017

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 15:48, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

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France national football team → France men's national football team – All of the other national football teams for men state in the title that it is the men's national team and it only makes sense that the page for France do the same. AquilaXIII (talk) 02:48, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

No, they are not titled that, because that is not what they are called. This is not the place to contest passive sexism in organisation titles, I'm afraid. Britmax (talk) 09:45, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose The above statement is a blatant falsehood. Anyone can see that none of the other teams listed in Category:European national association football teams are named in this way. Shouldn't there be some kind of sanctions for this level of dishonesty in a formal procedure? Number 57 10:16, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

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World Cup goals

Adding up the numbers, it looks like France has scored 120 goals, not 119. Funnyhat (talk) 21:13, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

WC games played / wins

Table should be updated to 66 games and 34 wins. 2602:306:CFEA:170:5D52:D5F4:4706:8F5 (talk) 21:50, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Badge on infobox

The badge shown on the infobox should be that on the kits worn on the field as that's what the majority of people associate the team with and it's far more distinctive AND representative of the team. It's far more easily identifiable than the "official" badge of the French Football Federation which the team does not use on their uniforms.--Chlorineer (talk) 19:57, 17 July 2018 (UTC)

I 100% agree; it's what the team wears on the field, it's what should be in the infobox. The reason for changing it to the logo of the French Football Federation was flawed at best (to match it with what appears in the infobox of this page on the French Wikipedia). Not to mention, it looks better. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 04:52, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Disagree Prior to July 10, it was the FFF badge, not the crest on the current shirt. We should use the, as previously name, the official badge. This is an informational site, aesthetics shouldn’t trump official nature. Crest should be illustrated in section about uniform or crest history. Mghabmw (talk) 06:23, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your input. Although I respectfully disagree as I think Wikipedia is descriptive NOT prescriptive. This is a page about the football team, not the football federation. In my opinion, for the average reader, the crest on the shirt is by far the most identifiable visual element of this team.--Chlorineer (talk) 14:54, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

It's the official logo of the football federation though, not the national team, which is what this article is about. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 17:42, 18 July 2018 (UTC)

Agree The shirt "Badge" is what that field is used for KarimKoueider (talk) 12:33, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Sources please.

• Official logo of the French Football Federation
• Official logo of the France national football team

The badge on infobox is not official. Is only a logo from the internet like the emblem of the kit. --Phailonick (talk) 15:38, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

The badge on the infobox is not from the "internet". It's quite literally stamped on the main kit (uniform) of the french football team that just recently won the world cup. Certainly the football team "condones" its use Source 1, Source 2.--Chlorineer (talk) 18:02, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

The swoosh and the other stamps in the shirt are not the official logos of the France national football team. The official internet sites of French Football Federation has the official logos. --Phailonick (talk) 19:29, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I never suggested that the Nike, Inc. [swoosh]] logo should be on the infobox or any other patch. That's a red herring.--Chlorineer (talk) 19:52, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes, the official logos of the French Football Federation, which is not what this page is about. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 21:57, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

‘’Disagree’’ the women’s page uses the logo and not the crest. We should remain consistent — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.23.5.50 (talk) 22:25, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Then put this crest on the women's page. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 21:56, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

100% with you MAINEiac4434.--Chlorineer (talk) 19:39, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

The FFF prescribes the two star logo for the men’s team and a non starred logo for the rest of the federation. Being that these are not free images and used under fair use, we should be using the logos prescribed by the trademark and copyright owner. This is not a matter of what logo you like better or what you feel looks nicer. https://www.fff.fr/actualites/182227-de-nouveaux-logos-pour-la-fff?themePath=la-fff/federation-en-action/ Mghabmw (talk) 15:39, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

It's indeed not what any of us likes better. The logo that most people associate the French football team is (whether we like it or not) the one on their kits. It's the French federation's God-given right to say they officially sanction whatever seal they please to be on paper. In practice they certainly do not abide to their own policies, why should Wikipedia? I'd be 100% with you if they were consistent and the seal of their kits was the same one as the FFF. I'd be the first one to change it. As of today, it is not.--Chlorineer (talk) 19:38, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm not saying this to be a dick, or in a patronizing manner, but you may want to give WP:COMMON a check. Where else on Wikipedia will this logo go? --Chlorineer (talk) 19:52, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

It doesn’t need to be in Wikipedia at all. Common sense would be that it would be the same logo as the other languages, considering its not a free image. FFF can break their logo policies because they own the logo. Not to be a dick, but use some common sense kid, Mghabmw (talk) 05:33, 26 July 2018 (UTC)