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:For some sources on Neolithic transhumance, see [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=K69mDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA153&dq=transhumance+neolithic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS9aq1_MHcAhVE6Z8KHaMiCwMQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=transhumance%20neolithic&f=false], [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vkK8DQAAQBAJ&pg=PT100&dq=transhumance+neolithic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS9aq1_MHcAhVE6Z8KHaMiCwMQ6AEIQjAF#v=onepage&q=transhumance%20neolithic&f=false], [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NoQSBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA68&dq=transhumance+neolithic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS9aq1_MHcAhVE6Z8KHaMiCwMQ6AEIODAD#v=onepage&q=transhumance%20neolithic&f=false]. Please don't remove the tag again, it sends a message to the reader that it is a purely historic phenomenon. Thanks. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 14:13, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
:For some sources on Neolithic transhumance, see [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=K69mDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA153&dq=transhumance+neolithic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS9aq1_MHcAhVE6Z8KHaMiCwMQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=transhumance%20neolithic&f=false], [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=vkK8DQAAQBAJ&pg=PT100&dq=transhumance+neolithic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS9aq1_MHcAhVE6Z8KHaMiCwMQ6AEIQjAF#v=onepage&q=transhumance%20neolithic&f=false], [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NoQSBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA68&dq=transhumance+neolithic&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiS9aq1_MHcAhVE6Z8KHaMiCwMQ6AEIODAD#v=onepage&q=transhumance%20neolithic&f=false]. Please don't remove the tag again, it sends a message to the reader that it is a purely historic phenomenon. Thanks. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 14:13, 28 July 2018 (UTC)


:: Sigh. That does make sense in an academicky sort of way, but it isn't the normal meaning of recentism, which generally refers to articles that deal only with the past 2 or 3 years (at the outside), ignoring all of human history. It'd be far better to create a Prehistory section and tag it as empty. In fact, I'll do that now. [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 14:43, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
:: Sigh. That does make sense in an academicky sort of way, but it isn't the normal meaning of recentism, which generally refers to articles that deal only with the past 2 or 3 years (at the outside), ignoring all of human history. In fact the tag wording actually states "Please try to keep recent events in '''historical''' perspective..." It'd be far better to create a Prehistory section and tag it as empty. In fact, I'll do that now. [[User:Chiswick Chap|Chiswick Chap]] ([[User talk:Chiswick Chap|talk]]) 14:43, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

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ADHD logic

I find the following quote as offensive to people who may still be living as pastoral nomads, and to people with ADHD. It reflects a point of view, where people with ADHD are not fully evolved, and it assumes that the settled way of life is the "normal" and the genes that do not support it could only be prehistorical. Who knows that we won't be living nomadic lives again in 10000 years? There fore I dispute the neutrality of it.

"Following this logic, ADHD is a remnant gene (DRD4) from human prehistory that has yet to be eliminated through natural selection.[2]"

Laws of Migration Discussion

The 'laws of migration' section doesn't make sense. It states that these 'laws' came into being in a certain period, but doesn't say what migrant group they apply to or how they were formulated. If this is a more general academic list of typical features of human migration, that should be spelled out with more detail like who developed the list and under what situations do the laws apply or not apply.

Agree that it doesn't belong here. I'll delete it from teh article and see if anyone objects. Then we can hold a discussion here to see if we've somehow misinterpreted.
I've parked the deleted text below. This weekend I'll try to figure out where is should go – the material is certainly good enough to go somewhere.
Williamborg 22:09, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Relocated the material into the article on human migration where it appears to be a much better fit. Discussion? Williamborg 14:16, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Laws of Migration has been transferred to the article on human migration

Certain laws of social science have been proposed to describe human migration. The following was a standard list after Ravenstein's proposals during the time frame of 1834 to 1913. The laws are as follows:

  • Most migrants only go a short distance at one time.
  • Long distance migrations are for those who come from large cities.
  • Most migration is from rural areas to urban areas.
  • Most international migrants consist of young males between the ages of 20 and 45.
  • Most migrations proceed in step-by-step processes.
  • Each migration flow produces at least one counterflow.
  • Females remain more migratory than the males within their country.
  • Migration increases in volume as industries develop and transportation improves.
  • Major causes of migration are for economic reasons.

Editing

A little copy editing might be useful as well.

Editing done. Looking forward to reading improvements by others! Williamborg 18:39, 28 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Transhumance in the alps

This is still very much practiced especially in Austria and Switzerland. Not in St. Moritz or Interlaken, sure, but it still is a sizable contribution to the agriculture. I added some figures (from German Wikipedia) , the references are, though, only available in German--Irmgard 19:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In Europe, there is also the three waves transhumance in the Pireneas : first the horses (mostly barefoot) around 15 of May, then the cows (end of May) and finally the sheeps (mid-June). If someone could add something about this... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.86.85.68 (talk) 23:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

invisible picture?

why can't i see the picture? Benwing 04:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There was some sort of weird breakage that meant that Firefox wouldn't display the image. I fixed it by downloading the file, opening it in GIMP, re-saving it, and uploading it to Wikimedia Commons (as Image:Seter.jpg). –EdC 15:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nice article

I just read this page for the first time and was pleasantly surprised. It seems well done. I have half-expecting a page on transhumance -- not the most well known of words and concepts -- to be either stubby or veering toward the kind of train wreck that wikipedia articles so often become. But it is neither! Relatively short and readable, but containing lots of information, and with a global POV as well. I just wanted to say -- well done. That is all. Pfly 02:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nomadic Transhumance v. Pastoral Nomadism

So is "nomadic transhumance" the same thing as nomadic pastoralism? If not, then what is the difference? -- Slacker (talk) 12:06, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I've been asking the same thing. Having read the articles on nomadism, pastoralism, and now transhumance (which I wish to do some work on), I would suggest that the nomadic pastoralism information is most accurately covered here. I'm proposing that we delete nomadic pastoralism and redirect it here. Then we can tidy up the nomadism and pastoralism ones so that they compliment each other and this article. Anyone wanna help? - Damian Doyle (talk) 11:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that they are the same. Currently this article (Transhumance) covers two different (though related) subjects: transhumance proper, and nomadic pastoralism – these are quite distinct, and I don't think they belong in the same article. As nomadic pastoralism already has its own article effectively we have WP:Duplicate articles. I think the answer is to split out the nomadic material to there – unless anyone can explain how "nomadic transhumance" differs from "nomadic pastoralism". (Also see discussion at Talk:Nomadic pastoralism) Richard New Forest (talk) 15:33, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No further comments, so material moved to Nomadic pastoralism. Richard New Forest (talk) 19:11, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Transhumance in Mexico

The wikipedia article about the Tarahumara says that some of the Tarahumara practice transhumance. It might be good to add Mexico to the list of areas that this article (the transhumance article) mentions as places where transhumance is practiced. 24.17.218.38 (talk) 22:45, 31 October 2010 (UTC)ATBS[reply]

Intro paragraph is very confusing

I can't figure out what the author means in the intro paragraph. They state that transhumance is movement of people with their livestock, but then state that the herders have a permanent home, implying that the humans don't move. Then they state only the herds travel, with the people necessary to tend them! Which is it? Do the people move with the herds or not!?!? Then, in a non-sequitur, they say something about susceptibility of horizontal transhumance being disrupted without even saying what horizontal transhumance is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.112.232.147 (talk) 19:36, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The first part of this complaint seems based on a strange interpretation of ordinary English. (As I understand it, "having a permanent home" is not synonymous to "being a prisoner". Of course you may leave your "permanent home" on a temporary basis, even for a couple of months; there is no implication that you'll never "move", in the sense of transporting yourself from one place to another.)
On the other hand, the IP has a point as regards the concluding sentence about horizontal transhumance. In the introduction, it is definitely more important to define it briefly, than to discuss its vulerability. JoergenB (talk) 16:36, 30 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Two very different types of winter feeding required: grazing v. foddering, depending on regional climate

This page describes abundantly the summer months but neglects important varieties of winter feeding practices, i.e. foddering. This page implies that all winter feeding is by grazing on the low pastures. However in Norway and the high Alps the valley pastures are not grazed at all but completely harvested for hay to store. The winter there is so hard that livestock must be kept indoors throughout the winter and sustained on fodder. "Norwegian 'Summer Farming', in German is called 'Alm-Wirtschaft', and must not be mixed up with the 'transhumance' traditions of Southern-Europe."[1] Kildwyke (talk) 20:57, 22 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]


References

  1. ^ http://www.canal-u.tv/video/universite_toulouse_ii_le_mirail/mountain_farming_of_norway_land_use_history_and_development_of_cultural_landscapes_mons_kvamme.5563 Mountain summer farming of Norway : land use History and Development of cultural Landscapes By Mons Kvamme

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Can people who practise transhumance be classified as semi-nomads?

There is a dispute on this issue at Talk:Origin_of_the_Romanians#who_were_nomads.3F. 123Steller (talk) 22:25, 29 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

There is a parallel dispute on this issue at User_talk:Fakirbakir#Nomadic_Transhumance_v._Pastoral_Nomadism--Megustalastrufas (talk) 16:32, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Recentism

I came here expecting to see a discussion of how transhumance developed during the Neolithic. To my surprise, it discussed only recent transhumance. Nothing prehistoric, not even Iron Age. Doug Weller talk 16:32, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For some sources on Neolithic transhumance, see [1], [2], [3]. Please don't remove the tag again, it sends a message to the reader that it is a purely historic phenomenon. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 14:13, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Sigh. That does make sense in an academicky sort of way, but it isn't the normal meaning of recentism, which generally refers to articles that deal only with the past 2 or 3 years (at the outside), ignoring all of human history. In fact the tag wording actually states "Please try to keep recent events in historical perspective..." It'd be far better to create a Prehistory section and tag it as empty. In fact, I'll do that now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:43, 28 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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