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Ian Campbell (Canadian politician)

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Subject does not pass WP:Politician. He is currently a councillor of the Squamish Nation, of ~4000 people, among 15 others, which does not confer notability. He is running for mayor of Vancouver in the upcoming 2018 election, but that doesn't confer notability either. 1l2l3k (talk) 19:16, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Lean DeleteWhile I don't know where I'd stand on tribal leaders, 1l2l3k has a point that candidates do not normally meet the specifications of WP:NPOL. If he wins, he'd be notable as Mayor of Vancouver. The question then becomes: is his work as councillor and hereditary chief of the Squamish Nation enough for notability? That I don't know. Bkissin (talk) 19:31, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Keep I am not sure about whether his role as a hereditary chief of the Squamish Nation alone makes him notable or not, but I feel we should be careful removing content related to aboriginal people. As a group, they are under included in Wikipedia. Of course alone that is not a reason to keep if he is not otherwise notable. He is the mayoral candidate for the current ruling party/slate Vision Vancouver in Vancouver the third largest city in Canada. His candicatcy has been covered in multiple reliable sources: The Georgia Straight, CBC News, Vancouver Sun, and Globe and Mail (as cited in the article). Not cited in the article as of yet, his campaign has also been covered in the StarMetro (newspaper)[1], Vancouver Courier[2], CTV News[3], North Shore News[4] and Squamish Chief[5]. If he is elected, he is certainly notable. If he is not, he likely is anyway given the coverage to date, and which will continue until the election in October.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 19:57, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Whether presence or not of aboriginal people is under or over included is of no relevance for notability. There is nothing in the wikipedia policies that says that when a subject is aboriginal, a different level of care should be used. Are you making an argument that he has received significant press coverage, thereby falls under second bullet of WP:NPOL? In this case the onus would be to bring sources that consist of writings which cover "in depth, independently in multiple news feature articles". With the exception of the article on "the Star" I don't see in-depth coverage in other articles. --1l2l3k (talk) 20:19, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Whoa, don't get WP:HOSTILE. I think the concern that Darryl Kerrigan and I have is whether being an Aboriginal chief satisfies notability outside of the campaign context. I can't say that I know personally. When Elsipogtog member Susan Levi-Peters ran in Beausejour in 2011, she was considered non-notable, but I can't remember if she was a chief or not. Steam5, Bearcat, your thoughts? Bkissin (talk) 20:44, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks 1l2l3k and Bkissin. I have made some additions to the article and am starting to think he may be notable simply for his role as Chief of the Squamish Nation. During his tenure, he was the negotiator on the Squamish, BC Woodfibre LNG project (which he was ultimately opposed to), and was Chief when the nation filed a court challenge against the Trans Mountain Pipeline. Some of his statements were reported well before he declared for mayor, including his proposal that the Fairmont Academy, a former RCMP barracks, in Vancouver, be torn down despite its heritage designation due to its history in the "marginalization of indigenous people". Ultimately, it appears the building is going to be moved. Before he declared for mayor, this[6] profile was published in BC Business. Anyway, more food for thought. Look forward to hearing from others.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 01:55, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

I was by all means not rude in my earlier paragraph, just stating Wikipedia's policies. I left a note in the talk page that may require attention. I repeat: there is nothing for tribe leaders, even if we consider them under WP:NOBLE that would make them inherently notable: only GNG saves this article. I think the article got very good improvements in the last 24 hours by Darryl Kerrigan, that can satisfy the second bullet of WP:NPOL and at this point, I can use WP:WDAFD and can withdraw my nomination, always provided that @Bkissin: agrees with me and strikes his "delete" vote. --1l2l3k (talk) 15:27, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

We typically don't include general WP:ROUTINE campaign coverage as counting toward WP:GNG under WP:NPOL - and all of the coverage is currently campaign related as he's unelected, but it does seem there should be enough sources about his career as the Squamish Nation regardless of his mayoral run to get him there, but I'm not sure they're in the article yet. SportingFlyer talk 13:15, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:42, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:42, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of British Columbia-related deletion discussions.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 21:57, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Keep - I think being a hereditary chief of a major indigenous community probably makes one notable, providing there are reliable sources. -- Earl Andrew - talk 15:26, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

• Note that Squamish Nation pop. 3,600. more or less mayor of a very small town.

• Squamish is one of 3 numerically small indigenous groups, that hold lands that can be described as over $1 billion in developable properties.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:38, 28 August 2018 (UTC)