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Richard de Morville (Conquest)

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Non-notable individual only known from witnessing a small number of donations. I recently removed a confused and uncited bit about him often being given the wrong name. The remainder was a direct quote from the one cited source which I have paraphrased. It basically provides a lot of context written about the family (not the subject) and one passing reference to the notable Constable being perhaps son of this guy named Richard found in a few charters. There are other sources in the References section but they make no contribution to the three sentences of text, and without a page number who knows what they are supposed to be documenting? WP:GNG, WP:NOTGENEALOGY Agricolae (talk) 22:07, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Agricolae (talk) 22:09, 6 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 01:03, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Nobility, which implies the possession of land and the political power that went with it. It is necessary to search for Ricardo as well as Richard, "of" as well as de, and Moreville, Moreuille, Moreuil, Morevill, Morevil, Morvil, Moruil etc etc etc. The books, such as this one [1], which appears to mention "Richard de Moreville" on nine pages, are available in snippet view and libraries. I suggest actually looking at them, in hard copy if need be. James500 (talk) 14:21, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is based on two flawed premises. First, we don't actually know that the subject owned any land or had any political power, only that his son did. Second, there was a much more famous Richard de Morville (the son of Hugh de Morville, speculated to have been son of the subject of the article here, Richard de Morville (Conquest)). Thus a simple Google search for Richard de Morville will tell us nothing of the notability of this specific Richard de Morville, amidst the other. In the source you specifically link to, most references appear to be to this famous (perhaps-)grandson. Of the subject, it says, in a footnote no less, "It further seems probable that the father of William and Hugh I de Morville was the Richard de Morville who witnessed charters of Richard de Redvers for Montebourg and the church of St. Mary in the castle of Nehou in the early twelfth century." That is not an indication of notability, when all that can be said is that he witnessed a few documents and he may be the father of a notable person. Agricolae (talk) 15:22, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete -- An individual known only from having witnessed a few charters is clearly NN. I would not object to a merge/redirect to a more prominent relative. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:47, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Keep.''' Nobility, which implies the possession of land and the political power that went with it. It is necessary to search for Ricardo as well as Richard, "of" as well as de, and Moreville, Moreuille, Moreuil, Morevill, Morevil, Morvil, Moruil etc etc etc. The books, such as this one [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KHVnAAAAMAAJ], which appears to mention "Richard de Moreville" on nine pages, are available in snippet view and libraries. I suggest actually looking at them, in hard copy if need be. [[User:James500|James500]] ([[User talk:James500|talk]]) 14:21, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
 ::This is based on two flawed premises.  First, we don't actually know that the subject owned ''any'' land or had ''any'' political power, only that his son did.  Second, there was a much more famous [[Richard de Morville]] (the son of [[Hugh de Morville]], speculated to have been son of the subject of the article here, ''Richard de Morville (Conquest)'').  Thus a simple Google search for Richard de Morville will tell us nothing of the notability of this specific Richard de Morville, amidst the other. In the source you specifically link to, most references appear to be to this famous (perhaps-)grandson.  Of the subject, it says, in a footnote no less, "It further seems probable that the father of William and Hugh I de Morville was the Richard de Morville who witnessed charters of Richard de Redvers for Montebourg and the church of St. Mary in the castle of Nehou in the early twelfth century."  That is not an indication of notability, when all that can be said is that he witnessed a few documents and he may be the father of a notable person. [[User:Agricolae|Agricolae]] ([[User talk:Agricolae|talk]]) 15:22, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' -- An individual known only from having witnessed a few charters is clearly NN.  I would not object to a merge/redirect to a more prominent relative.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 16:47, 8 September 2018 (UTC)