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Hi Ivanvector. I noticed this revert. Can you please be very careful in the future not to restore material sourced to tabloid journalism as you did there? --John (talk) 15:11, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Banned means banned, John. If we're not even going to bother trying to enforce a highly disruptive editor's indefinite block, stop pretending it means shit and unblock them. It'll save me a lot of button pushing. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 17:55, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I see. So you value following your interpretation of Wikipedia rules over preventing damage to real life subjects? That seems... counter-intuitive, don't you think? --John (talk) 18:39, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps if this editor ever took your advice, or anyone's, or in the case of this edit they made any effort at all to explain why the article subject's own words ought to be considered damaging to that subject to a degree requiring immediate removal under the BLP policy, and not just part of an ongoing bull-headed crusade to expunge one particular source from Wikipedia, they might not have earned a community 1RR restriction to stop their disruptive behaviour, repeated ignorance of which leaves them indefinitely blocked by a progression of administrators acting in good faith. Frankly, your ongoing encouragement of this misconduct is unbecoming an administrator, is insulting to the community which placed the restriction, and does no service to the policy you (and I) hold in such high regard. Your time and energy would be much better spent admonishing this behaviour and encouraging other potential crusaders to not get started in the first place. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:42, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

That's all good stuff, but you didn't answer the question. Never mind, I'll answer it for you. BLP trumps all other Wikipedia policies. If you want to go to AN/I to complain about this or rely in the future on using it in an unblock notice that the contrary applies, that'll be your own choice, but don't say you weren't politely warned. --John (talk) 19:48, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

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You're being a bit of a jerk, aren't you, John? (A notice of DS is not "mandatory".)--Bbb23 (talk) 20:01, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

I edit conflicted with Bbb23 as I was leaving a similar comment. You can be "right" without coming off as an officious bully, or at least you can if you're doing it right. Nobody on this project is going to respond well to this type of aggressive rebuking. --Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 20:11, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

iBan

I just finished reading [1] A friend sent it to me because I am in the throws of my fourth conflict with Jytdog. I've been here a year, and he has shown up on every article I have worked on, making accusations, doing mass deletions, posting warnings, using his favorite fecal metaphors. I was wondering if I could request an iBan. I'm not sure exactly what it is, but it looks like something that forbids Jytdog and I to interact--is that correct? Could I get one of those please? It would really help I think. It might save my sanity and make it possible for me to continue to work here on Wikipedia. I love this place. I have never had a problem with anyone but him, but I don't know how much more of this I can take. If he doesn't like what you write he screams POV and mass deletes--without checking sources or even asking the person if he has understood correctly. And if you try to argue or defend yourself or put it back, he sends you edit war warnings and other types of threats of how he will haul you before the admins quoting WP this and Wikipedia that. This last conflict started with me asking Jytdog for help with an article I was struggling on. His criticism is often valuable, and as long as he doesn't go off the deep end, he is a genuinely good editor. So after I asked him for help, what showed up was an Afd request--from one of Jytdog's friends and supporters who had never participated in the article at all. Jytdog's vote was the only vote for deletion--everyone else said keep and work on it--but then he went and mass deleted content anyway. A couple of people have tried objecting, but he just gives a snarky reply and goes his own way. He's untouchable. He's like Trump--nothing he does ever seems to blow back on him! The guy in that incident from the archive? He said Jytdog sees himself as the crusader saving Wp, and he was absolutely 100% correct in that--but he's the one who got in trouble for saying it. I don't want to get anyone in trouble. I just want him to leave me alone. I really need that ban. At least it would keep me from crying every day. That would be a big plus for me. Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

@Jenhawk777: it's very early in the morning for me and I'll respond with some suggestions when I've had some more time to look into the matter, but I want you to know I've read your message. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 10:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. That is thoughtful of you. So no ban right now, but maybe down the road? If I get banned I can still work on Wp and just not interact with him right? Jenhawk777 (talk) 16:55, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

So, I guess banning me isn't necessary this time. I am doing my best to talk, and he is doing his best to do the same I think, but for the future, I would really like to be banned from interaction with him--if there was a way to still edit. I don't understand all the ins and outs of Wp, and I guess asking to be banned is a little weird, but these kinds of conflicts take up so much time and energy and prevent work product and really screw up my day and make me a little desperate! In our last conflict he said he would shun me, and I was really hoping for that, but he never followed through. That's why I was hoping maybe if you banned me it would have the same effect. Anyway, we've taken a baby step forward. He's talking and hasn't used a fecal metaphor yet. So thank you for your response, but I think we are struggling through. Who knows--I may be back asking to be banned again in the future! Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:03, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Your alt account needs recognition

Hi, Ivanvector! Since you revealed, at the article WP:Squirrel!, that you have an alternate account named PEIsquirrel, you really ought to list that account at User:Radiant!/Classification of admins. It is a mammal, after all - right? --MelanieN (talk) 02:25, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Oops, my mistake; according to the talk page, alternate accounts don't count. However, see my comment at the talk page; we might be able to get you classified after all. --MelanieN (talk) 13:49, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Ha! Thanks for all your work on this :) Years ago I thought there was a math or numbers section on Radiant's page, but I didn't find it and I wasn't about to try to shoehorn myself in there. It's all in good fun no matter what happens. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 13:57, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Not a lot of work, not at all. I just happened to visit the Radiant page because of your entry at WP:Squirrel!. While I was there I noticed - SQUIRREL! - that the page was missing a category, so I suggested adding it. User:Double sharp did so, and presto! There you are! along with a few other mathematically-minded folks. --MelanieN (talk) 21:05, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

No problem, and thank you

For this— my original revert, per deny, was intentional, but then I thought I would redo it with an edit summary. And at that point, I think my IP reset, and I got some bizarre error message that stopped me editing— Something about WP trying to steal my information?! Talk about timing. The first time, certainly, that I've restored VXfC! Thanx again, —SerialNumber54129 ^{paranoia /cheap sh*t room} 18:03, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

You reverted back my changes related to Kalki incarnation

It is really sad that you are publishing wrong information on Wikipedia about KALKI Incarnation...

Composition time of Kalki Puran is considered somewhere around 10th century.

Buddhist already had this prophecy written down in form of Buddhist bodhisattva Maitreya (future Buddha) somewhere around 5-6 century. Plz, check the Maitreya Wiki page. They don't need to borrow from others... When the temple of Tirupati was captured by Shankaracharya & team, Kalki Puran was written after that. It has been said…That temple was a Buddhist temple of one of the future Buddha called bodhisattva Padampani.

Few more facts about the relationship between Vasudev Krishna & Gautam Buddha & Jain Tirthankar NamiNath…just for the references…

$ Sāriputta - Krishna's one of the births in later part :

It has been written in Jataka Tale that Krishna in his next one of the births born at the time of Buddha and became his followers. Sāriputta often preached with the Buddha's approval and was awarded the title "General of the Dharma" (Pāli: Dhammasenāpati). Relics (Asthi Shesh) of Sariputta are still kept ( Read the Wikipedia article of Sariputta ). The stupa of Sāriputta at Nalanda also exists.

Sāriputta - Wikipedia

$ Ghatapandita ( later born as Buddha ) was the Youngest brother of Krishna & Balram.

$ In the Buddhist version, Krishna laments in uncontrollable sorrow when his son dies, and a Ghatapandita feigns madness to teach Krishna a lesson. The Jataka tale also includes an internecine destruction among his siblings after they all get drunk. Krishna also dies in the Buddhist legend by the hand of a hunter named Jara, but while he is traveling to a frontier city. Mistaking Krishna for a pig, Jara throws a spear that fatally pierces his feet, causing Krishna great pain and then his death.

$ श्री नमिनाथ जी जैन तीर्थंकर वासुदेव कृष्णा के cousin भाई थे|

If you really wanna know the real facts, Plz read all the texts written down by other Vedic religions as well.

Editor using multiple accounts for disruptive editing

Hi there. I'm hoping you could help out the situation at Paul Bernardo, Sir Wilfrid Laurier Collegiate Institute, and University of Toronto Scarborough as there is a disruptive editor using multiple accounts to add unsourced information and make Bernardo look less of a criminal. I tried AIV but it was in-actionable, but using multiple accounts for his purposes should not be allowed. Thanks. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 02:32, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Yep, on it. Have a look at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/The Princess of Scarborough Fair. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 02:52, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Sockmaster Turkspasha at it again

• Turkspasha (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

You performed another rangeblock on his IP range not long ago.[2] However, he's at it again (same gelocation, same edits, etc.)[3] - LouisAragon (talk) 18:21, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

This should slow them down for a bit. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:51, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! - LouisAragon (talk) 22:26, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

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RfD 17 September

There are three discussions at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 September 17 that need closing. One of them, Stephni meyer, has been open over a month, every active RfD admin (including myself) has commented on it, and it's been listed at WP:ANRFC for since 24 September. It would be great if you or any other admin watching this page, could do the honours. Thanks, Thryduulf (talk) 13:30, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

@Ivanvector: Thank you for assuming the best of me, I had totally misread SilkTork's name and you're quite right in thinking there was no malice on my part. Thanks also for closing this very involved case. JZCL 21:58, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

That is really what I thought. It seemed very ... silly. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 21:59, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

I've half a mind to trout you for that last comment ;) JZCL 22:04, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

9 years of editing

Hey, Ivanvector. I'd like to wish you a wonderful First Edit Day on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! Have a great day! Kpgjhpjm 14:16, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Closing Village Pump discussions

Why have you closed the discussion when it has not even started? I was unaware of it so I asked at Help Desk and some other editor suggested it to post it there. That is best place for other editors to support or oppose the motion. I request you re-open the discussion at Village Pump. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.222.30.200 (talk) 14:29, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi 117.222.30.200, I apologize for the confusion. I saw that you had posted the same question in several places, which usually goes awry because you end up with separate discussions in all of those places and often you don't get the same answers or advice that's all that helpful. I thought that it was being addressed at the help desk so I closed the two village pump discussions, but then I realized that the help desk had told you to start a discussion on those boards. I went back and un-closed the one that I thought was in the most appropriate place, the idea lab. Other users should see your question there and add comments. Also note that when you leave a comment on a discussion page like this or the help desk or village pumps, you should "sign" your post by typing ~~~~ (four tildes) to end your comment. Then SineBot will stop following you around. Cheers. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 14:39, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Ivan! Just scrolled through Proposals and IdeaLab, people on Proposals seem to be quite responsive, could you please re-open it there. Thanks!

@117.222.30.200: you'd probably be interested in this discussion that's already ongoing about basically this same thing. Someone else brought it up a few days ago. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:00, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Ivan! Recovery of accounts is another advantage of having an email linked. Since, someone else has also brought that up and others have supported it, we should get behind them and support it. How about re-opening the discussion on Proposals, only because people seem to be more active there. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.222.30.200 (talk) 15:06, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

That goes back to what I said before, you should just add a comment to the current discussion instead of starting a new one while the first one is still ongoing. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:10, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

I didn't see it in the first place until you showed it. Should we take the entire thread to Proposals? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.222.30.200 (talk) 15:13, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Someone else has already posted a note below the closed discussion at Proposals linking to the active one at Idea Lab, so now editors who are looking at either page will be able to find the discussion. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:31, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

OK, thanks! Will watch the space for further development. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.222.30.200 (talk) 16:53, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations

on getting the bit:-) ∯WBG^converse 14:30, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

^ GAB^gab 16:15, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Insurgency in Balochistan

Following your 1RR restriction, Razer2115 with zero prior edits there, reverted my merely 5 hours old edit on the article, after he hadn't edited WP in over 48 hrs from his last edit. He then left a frivolous warning on my talk when I had already received one earlier and when I had already engaged on talk while he had not done so himself by then, in apparent attempt at WP:DAPE.

His WP:NOCONSENSUS rationale for reversion is invalid here. The policy says, "In discussions of proposals to add, modify or remove material in articles, a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit." DBigXray is the one who first removed the longstanding text including a ref with a misleading edit summary. In this edit, to address his concern I merely readded it after rewording it to what the source said. Now, DBX has invoked NOTNEWS, UNDUE & what not in an apparent attempt to WP:CENSOR it. Further down the article, Kulbhushan Yadav is indeed mentioned so this infact is WP:DUE. I request you to restore it per WP:STATUSQUO until the conclusion of the talkpage discussion. This popping up of editors to support DBigXray also happened on Human rights abuses in Kashmir. This hints WP:MEATPUPPETRY to me. Both these guys are misinterpreting and misrepresenting policies on the talk and I want someone to give a WP:THIRDOPINION. Son of Kolachi (talk) 08:25, 10 October 2018 (UTC)