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Proposed merge with Ubon Ratchathani bid for the 2025 Southeast Asian Games

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The result of this discussion was to merge Dom from Paris (talk) 10:18, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Given how minor an event the SEA Games is (compared to the Olympics), it's very unlikely that enough coverage will be generated to sustain separate articles on such minute details. The "bid" article is currently sourced only to a local news site, which does not help establish notability. Paul_012 (talk) 03:43, 31 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. They should be merged. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:59, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support merge. --Dom from Paris (talk) 10:14, 6 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 19 October 2018

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– Usually sport article in Wikipedia use official name (example UEFA Euro 2016), "SEA Games" is also WP:COMMONNAME and the style that used in logo. Hddty. (talk) 02:34, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Why not also nominate the main article Southeast Asian Games? --Paul_012 (talk) 04:01, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Fails the Recognizability and Naturalness criteria of WP:NAMINGCRITERIA. Also, this woukd break [[WP:Consistehcy] with the head article. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 04:16, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I added Southeast Asian Games here. Hddty. (talk) 07:26, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per BrownHairedGirl. However, redirects at all of the proposed destinations should be created. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:19, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per the above. SEA Games to me sounds like some computer game event. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:44, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose While "SEA Games" indeed are used officially. "Southeast Asian Games" is also an official name of the games. Also favor the longer title for being less vague (more direct and does not imply that only watersports are only contested here) to English-speaking readers outside Southeast Asia.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 10:30, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia has many article that use ambiguous but popular name that used in the logo (example World Series). The article also didn't imply watersports games because there's no other games titled "Sea Games". Keeping the title in favor of readers outside of Southeast Asia is kind of useless because majority of readers that come to these articles is from Southeast Asia or already know what "SEA Games" mean. The readers who don't know already can read the first paragraph: "The [year] SEA Games, was a Southeast Asian multi-sport event..." Hddty. (talk) 11:41, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Per WP:COMMONNAME. "SEA Games" is the term most commonly used by reliable sources to refer to the subject. It outnumbers "Southeast Asian Games" by several orders of magnitude in the English-language news sites of the region. I don't see how "SEA Games" fails the Recognizability or Naturalness WP:NAMINGCRITERIA; a person familiar with the subject area would surely recognise the term "SEA Games", and editors could be reasonably expected to link to it. --Paul_012 (talk) 18:54, 20 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Oppose''' While "SEA Games" indeed are used officially. "Southeast Asian Games" is also an official name of the games. Also favor the longer title for being less vague (more direct and does not imply that only watersports are only contested here) to English-speaking readers outside Southeast Asia.[[User:Hariboneagle927|Hariboneagle927]] ([[User talk:Hariboneagle927|talk]]) 10:30, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
 ::Wikipedia has many article that use ambiguous but popular name that used in the logo (example [[World Series]]). The article also didn't imply watersports games because there's no other games titled "Sea Games". Keeping the title in favor of readers outside of Southeast Asia is kind of useless because majority of readers that come to these articles is from Southeast Asia or already know what "SEA Games" mean. The readers who don't know already can read the first paragraph: "The '''[year] SEA Games''', was a Southeast Asian multi-sport event..." [[User:Hddty.|Hddty.]] ([[User talk:Hddty.|talk]]) 11:41, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
+*'''Support'''. Per [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. "SEA Games" is the term most commonly used by reliable sources to refer to the subject. It outnumbers "Southeast Asian Games" by several orders of magnitude in the English-language news sites of the region. I don't see how "SEA Games" fails the Recognizability or Naturalness [[WP:NAMINGCRITERIA]]; a person familiar with the subject area would surely recognise the term "SEA Games", and editors could be reasonably expected to link to it. --[[User:Paul 012|Paul_012]] ([[User talk:Paul 012|talk]]) 18:54, 20 October 2018 (UTC)