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Yemeni people

I don't get it; why isn't there an article for Yemenis as an ethnic group? I searched it, but it took me to a disambiguation page, and the only similar option was the page on Yemen Demographics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.117.24 (talk) 18:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Such ethnic group doesn't exist. --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 06:31, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

History of Yemen

The history (on this page and all of the history pages) is very vague about the origins of Yemen itself, the word, the modern concept. Has this area always been called Yemen? When it was incorporated into other empires in ancient times was Yemen considered a place? Or is Yemen a modern creation. Or to put it a different way, is there a mountain range or some geographic feature to the north that defines the border? I looked it up because I saw that Saudi Arabia was most of the peninsula, and I was curious how the tip ended up being different countries... the info I sought wasn't really here.

In fact, there's no border. --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 06:33, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

racial and ethnic affiliation of slaves

Why do you think this is not important? The rationale seems one of personal choice. As a reader of African history I would like to know this info.--Inayity (talk) 17:50, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Good point. It turns out that the Najahid slave dynasty in Tihama came from only one specific group in Ethiopia, the Jazali. Middayexpress (talk) 14:53, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Anyone who makes edits without rationale or a wiliness to use the talk page can be reverted b/c it is not how we develop and article by head strong unilateral editing. Yusuf is actively editing but I am waiting for a reply. --Inayity (talk) 12:18, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Indeed User:Inayity. He just tried to remove the specification that the slaves were from the Jazali group. I notice his revert-warring on Najahids with you and User:AcidSnow over the same issue. Hardly neutral. Middayexpress (talk) 14:59, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

I just recently went there to that page so not aware of the history of edit conflict.--Inayity (talk) 15:00, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Well User:Inayity and User:AcidSnow, it would appear that "Yousef" is now avoiding discussion altogether [1]. He has also begun reverting admins as well [2], [3]. Middayexpress (talk) 14:29, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Ok, lets just see how the noticeboard plays out. Also a more clearer one of him refusing to discuss [4]. AcidSnow (talk) 20:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

If the user wants to edit without discussing his edits there is a solution for that also, so he might find his energy is being wasted making these large changes. BTW no one WP:OWNS anything-- just b/c they from YemenItalic text

Indeed. Middayexpress (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

User:AcidSnow, thanks for the link. "Yousef" appears to have threatened you there. Middayexpress (talk) 14:44, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I did not threat anyone, as for the slave ethnic origin and such, i believe that any details should be under the demographics section. for example, the United States article mentions slavery but does not put much emphasis regarding their tribal origin, it simply mentions that they were African. So i do believe that the history section should not include much details regarding the slaves tribal origin either because i do think it is undue weight to the article and the section. if it must be included it should be under the demographics section or in a separate article titled Slavery in Yemen --يوسف حسين (talk) 08:24, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

You did at various times threatened both myself and User:AcidSnow (e.g. "just stay away from any Yemen related article" [5]). At any rate, the U.S. page is an inappropriate analogy for a number of reasons, not least of which is the fact that the specific ethnic groups that African American slaves came from are manifold and uncertain. By contrast, the specific Jazali identity of the Najahid dynasty rulers is known. "African slaves" is also about as descriptive as "Asian slaves" -- it could refer to any number of often completely unrelated populations. Please see below for the rest. Middayexpress (talk) 13:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

file a complaint! you keep circling around this in a pathetic way you know that? i did not threat you or any one here so stop bringing that up whenever you get the chance. --يوسف حسين (talk) 17:10, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll bear that in mind. Middayexpress (talk) 18:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

"file a complaint!", would you also like us to file one on the racial overtones of your messages and edits? AcidSnow (talk) 23:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Please :)--يوسف حسين (talk) 00:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Sheba and the removal of a picture

• User:AcidSnow removed a picture in this edit and according to him, the picture has nothing to do with Sabaeans rather with ancient history of Yemen. And that was enough reason for him to remove the picture [6]. The Sabaeans are civilization that existed in ancient Yemen, so there is no conflict here and no justified reason was provided for the removal of that pic. So i will post the picture again simply because it is of a Sabaean woman and being Sabaean does not contradict with being ancient Yemeni.

• As for Sheba and its relation with Saba. Sheba is just a hebrew diversion of the same word. The word in Arabic and Amhraic is Saba. Arabic bibles do not distinguish simply because it is about the same people. The Quran as well does not distinguish there is an entire chapter about Sheba (its legendary queen actually) under the title Saba (sura). User:AcidSnow argued that Yemen is not widely known as home of the Sabaeans but i beg to differ. This source says the following [7] :

The ancient Sabaean kingdom lasted from the early second millennium to the first century BC; the queen of sheba reportedly lived during the 1000 BC time frame. Yemen was the headquarter that controlled coastal areas of Ethiopia and Eritrea, whose people are descendant of unions between ancient Arabians and natives of those countries. It is proposed that the Semitic colonization of Ethiopia was established in the tenth century BC from Sheba. Beside the horn of africa, the kingdom of Sheba's sphere of influence included and controlled the eastern and southern trade routes through ports on the red sea, south of the gulf of Aqaba

• So i do believe that the Sabaeans are the closest people to biblical Sheba. Robert D. Burrowes wrote in his Historical dictionary of Yemen [8]:

  although ethiopians dispute this, Saba is most certainly biblical Sheba

• I believe there was no justified reason to remove the following sentence from the introduction : Yemen was home of the Sabaeans (biblical Sheba), a trading state that flourished for over a thousand years.--يوسف حسين (talk) 08:11, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

"User:AcidSnow argued that Yemen is not widely known as home of the Sabaeans", *sigh*, where did I say this? Since you obviously can not find it I would like to ask you to please not put words in my mouth. What I actually said was, "the image has nothing to do with Sheba (so how could my "Afrocentrism" be the reason for it?) nor the Sabeans, but rather just "Art from Ancient Yemen". The image is also not sourced since it's a "own work"". As you can see I said no such thing; so where did you get that I argued that Sabaeans are not from Yemen?

As for the quotes you used, I am unable to find either of them in the book. It also rather appears to be handed typed than a complete quote from the book. In fact, it appears that you actually edited the second one just so it could support you. As for Sheba begin Saba, the book you provided regards the only difference is spelling. Anyways, as I said before, there are other sources that go against your book so why do you continue to add this though you already know that? This is still being discussed and it does not give you the right/power to have the final word in this discussion.

"i do believe", you do realize your opinion does not hold any "weight" as your are not a historian nor a archaeologist? Also how am I Afrocentric? Since you still believe that we are I would like to know how you cam to that conclusion.

Also, since you "now what admin ed johnson meant" why did you go on to say he said we were "pan-Africanist"; which is untrue?

Not just those, but you were asked to use the talk page before you make edits so you could receive consensus. You however, put words in my mouth, lied, and went on without consensus. AcidSnow (talk) 23:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• well, you said it right here [9]. I do not understand your point, Own work means that the one who uploaded the picture owns it, He took the picture himself. He did not create the sculpture he just took a picture of a subject dated to the Sabeaan era (ancient Yemen)! so i still think the usage of the picture is pretty logical in the article. --يوسف حسين (talk) 00:35, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
• of course i hand typed it because i can't copy and paste something from a google book. I provided two sources and there are others. I did not say that i have the final word, if you have other sources let us discuss them. I will bring mine and you bring yours, but do not remove a properly cited information until proven wrong. I added information you removed them without any further explanation. --يوسف حسين (talk) 00:35, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
• Everyone has a belief and i based mine upon the sources. If you have other questions that are not related to Sheba/Saba please leave them on my talk page. I expanded the article and remember one thing that my edit was the one that got reverted before proven wrong..I did not revert user midday express last edits, but i hope we reach a common ground soon --يوسف حسين (talk) 00:35, 7 February 2014 (UTC).
• You did revert my edit again, properly cited information without providing a counter argument. According to you [10] I "have failed to receive census", how am i going o receive census if you do not discuss the edit? was it inaccurate or do you have a problem with the sources?--يوسف حسين (talk) 02:30, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

"well, you said it right here", I am confused I don't see it? Since you found it and its in the diff can you show me where is it? *Sigh*, once again I did not say that. I was referring to Sheba; which was what the discussion was originally about. In fact I never mentioned the Sabeans till after you brought it up. Could please stop twisting my words? So far after asking you not to speak for me you went and put words in my mouth, and then to currently tying to twisting my words against me. I also never called you a liar (so once again you have twisted my words), which you claim and continue to do so. Inayity also never called you stupid, but rather your comment was. I have not attacked you in any way so far, but you on the other hand have attacked me. Please, if you continue doing this and similar action we will not get anywhere. Your theory appears to be very flawed as you called Til Eulenspiegel African, when he is not. If you want me to keep this discussion related to Sheba/Saba and not you than DON'T bring stuff up about your "theory" that I am "pan Africanist" and/or "Afrocentric"! Your theory also appears to be very flawed, as you called Til Eulenspiegel African when he is not.

"you do not discuss the edit" and "without providing a counter argument", are you serous? Than what is this for example, "Anyways, as I said before, there are other sources that go against your book so why do you continue to add this though you already know that?". If that's not a discussion of your edits and a counter argument than can you explain to me what it is? Since this is obvious what you said I have not provided than could you please stop lying than? Its really getting annoying.

Again, as for not being able to find the quotes in the first book, you changed both of them so they so they could support you. So these are not actual qoutes if you do that. As for the others you have provided you are just cherrypicking sources knowing fully well that there are others that disagree and go against them. Also why did you provided three sources that are Biblical historians? These book you provided don't even go in depth about this issue. It would also appear that you are just searching "sabaeans queen of sheba" instead of actually taking the time to look for more reliable material. That is founded in every link that you have shown me. This would also explain why three out of five sources only briefly discuss Sheba and/or Saba (you were also told to find better sources by EdJohnston).

"I did not say that i have the final word", I never said you did. I said you have no right/power to do so; but you know fully well that this is a controversial discussion and sources that go against you, yet went on and added it to the lead.

Since you still want to add the picture because "He did not create the sculpture he just took a picture of a subject dated to the Sabeaan era (ancient Yemen)! so i still think the usage of the picture is pretty logical in the article.", you realize that nowhere in the image summary does it say its Sabanses and that there's a "subject dated to the Sabeaan era (ancient Yemen)"? It in fact says only ""Art from Ancient Yemen"; so where did you get the rest? Are you also forgetting there were other ancient civilizations in Yemen besides the Sabeaans?

As for not receiving "census", you realize that "census" is a population survey? Anyways, about receiving "consensus", all you have done is attempt to discredit me by speak for me by speaking for me, putting words in my mouth, and tying to twisting my words against me, all which are lies so how could gain consensus from me? You have also cherrypicked sources knowing fully that there are others that disagree with you? Despite not receiving consensus and told not to by EdJohnston and me you still continued to readded it. That is not how talk page works. I have already given you a reason as to why I am late at replying to you and others, yet you readd it because I have not responded? Just because I have not responded does not mean you can "override" mine or anyone else consensus!

User;Acidsnow, I really have no time to read your crying here but your own link itself that you used to revert my edit Says this :

'The South Arabian kingdom of Saba (biblical Sheba) emerges, with its capital at Marib, a fertile oasis east of modern San'a in Yemen. In biblical accounts, the Queen of Sheba brought a rich gift of gold, spices, and precious stones to King Solomon in Jerusalem.

So what exactly is your problem? I provided a list of quotes just down here that you completely ignored and started discussing my edits with other people. your rant up there proves nothing, it just some irrelevant links to this page! If there are other books contradict my contribution, why don't you tell me what they say instead of posting a link that actually support my position? if your own link itself identify the Saba as biblical Sheba, what else can i do to receive your census? again, leave me or my previous encounter with anyone and focus on the issue please. --يوسف حسين (talk) 05:55, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Other Sources Regarding Sheba

Ok Acid Snow, the quotes can be found in the sources provided above if you can't find them than it's your own problem. Here is another quote from a book titled New Inscriptions and Seals Relating to the Biblical World - published in 2012  :

....This recently published inscription published by Francios Baron and I, appeared on the market of antiques early in 2008. It is unprovenanced but its content indicate that it was probably found in the ancient city of Nashq, today Al Bayda. It is broken and incomplete having only the remains of 25 lines. It was dedicated by "Sabahhumu son of 'Ammshafaq" (from the clan) of Rawshan (line 1-2), inhabiting Nashq. This man was a massenger of Yadail Bayin son of Yatha'amir KING OF SHEBA (line 17-18). This is the first mention of the "town of Judah" in a Sabaean and more generally south Arabian inscription.

Another quote from On the Reliability of the Old Testament- published in 2003  :

Where did she come from (the queen of Sheba)? Hebrew Sheba is universally admitted to be the same name as the place-name commonly transcribed "Saba" that denotes a community and kingdom in ancient Yemen in southwest Arabia

And another sources title The Ancient Arabs: Nomads on the Borders of the Fertile Crescent, 9Th-5Th Centuries B.C published 1982 :

AS for the Sabaeans, recent research on South Arabia has removed all doubt about the existence there of the Kingdom of Sheba in the 8th century BC. Nevertheless, it is unreasonble to connect the Sabaeans in Tiglath-Pileser III list with the kingdom of Sheba in South Arabia, since the other groups mentioned can be found in North Arabia and North Sinai....

This source titled Text and History: Historiography and the Study of the Biblical Text-published 2005  :

As new evidence has come to light, it has became more and more untenable to claim that the biblical account of the Queen of Sheba is legendary. First of all, though many legends connect her with ancient Ethiopia, we know now that it is much more likely that she resided in the country of Saba in Southwest Arabia on the Eastern tip of the red sea, present day Yemen.

and he goes on explaining why he thinks that and debunking the idea of another Sheba in Northwestern Arabia. in any case, there are more modern scholarly work about this in addition to public Yemeni lore regarding the legendary queen. I was told to cite historians so i did. Acid snow i assume since you are Somali (maybe i am wrong) that you may know just enough Arabic to get by, you do realize that no distinguishing is made in Arabic bibles and the Quran between Sheba and Saba, right? You should have read or at least being told about the story of Balikis and Solomon when you were a kid. It is in the Tafsir but maybe i am assuming a lot of things. Tell me what you think of the sources provided above --يوسف حسين (talk) 10:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Regarding Ethiopia and its national myth about Sheba, a book titled Popular Controversies in World History: Investigating History's Intriguing Questions:

The most obvious points of contention concern the question of the historicity of the Kebra Negast.The primary issue among these us the identification of Ethiopia with the biblical Sheba. Most scholars propose that the biblical Sheba was the historical Saba. The center of this kingdom is recognized as having been in southwest Arabia, in modern day Yemen. However, some discussion concerning the possibility that Saba, or Sheba, may still have been used in reference to Ethiopia exists. Some authors cite the historian Josephus, who called the queen of Sheba the queen of Egypt and Ethiopia. However, in Josephus's time, the term Ethiopia would have been attributed to the kingdom of Meroe in modern Sudan, not the modern nation of Ethiopia. Clearly Josephus's writing cannot be seen as supporting the narrative of the Kebra Nagast. A further possibility of support comes from a royal inscription that refers to Saba. The inscription appears to be an attempt to lay claim to the rule of the Sabaean people in Ethiopia by a ruler named D'amat. Linguistic evidence and material remains indicate that the Ethiopian Sabaeans represented in the inscription were linked to the larger Kingdom in Yemen....

There are others but i got tired of quoting. tell me what you think and i hope that we can work something out before resulting to a third opinion.--يوسف حسين (talk) 12:49, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Najahid

• The Najahid dynasty controlled no more than the city of Zabid, They had Ethiopian origin but were fully assimilated to that city society. The Yemeni author 'Uamar said that there were no ethnic differences between the Arabs of Tihama and their slaves because Arabs intermarried with them. The Najahid dynasty was established by those slaves. regarding their ethnic link as being Jazili, it should be under the demographics section. That the Yemenis around Zabid intermarried excessively with their slaves who were brought from such and such area and race. Not a lot of people are familiar with the term "Jazili" and i believe that the term Ethiopian is common and easy to relate to since we are talking about the middle ages section. --يوسف حسين (talk) 08:36, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I see you are using the talk page, but you may have missed the part where you are supposed to get agreement before making major changes, NOT make major changes and then come on the TK and explain them. --Inayity (talk) 09:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah i am using the talk page, i did not make "major" changes i just changed "Jazili" to Ethiopian. I do not see the necessity for emphasizing the alleged difference between "Jazili" and Ethiopian since "Jazili" is just an ethnic group within Ethiopia. So Ethiopian is a more proper term to use in the middle ages history. Any distinguishing should be made under the demographic section--يوسف حسين (talk) 11:35, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

but what term does the reference use? As Ethiopia is a big place that does not match modern day Ethiopia--Inayity (talk) 12:21, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• I do not know about Ethiopia being a bigger place but the refrence uses this term since you asked [11]:

  The complex and little known story of the rise and fall of the Najahid princes of Zabid (Middayexpress reveted this and made them rulers of Tihama), a city that was one of the early recipient of Abyssinian slaves.. The defeated Najahid who were of Abyssinian slave origin..

and this source [12] :::::

It is known that, like the Ziyadids before them, the Najahid. constantly brought over shiploads of Ethiopian slaves to Yemen

In AD 1001 power fell to an Ethiopian slave of the Ziyadids, and then to a second Ethiopian slave, named Najah (AD 1012), whose position was again confirmed by the caliph

since you wanted to know what term the reference use.--يوسف حسين (talk) 17:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Per WikiProject Countries, the demographics section is reserved for modern demographics of the local population. The history section is earmarked for actual historical events (and major events at that), so that's where the Najahid material belongs. That said, I've restored the specific Jazali identity of the Najahids. "Ethiopian slaves" is much too broad and vague. It could apply to any population in Ethiopia, whereas the Najahid slaves actually only came from one specific historic group. As the admin asked you on your talk page, kindly do not revert again until consensus has been established.Middayexpress (talk) 13:43, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• No it does belong to the demographic section as this source say [13]:

A tribe of Ethiopian origin called Jazali had furnished slaves to the Najahids.One of the consequences of the influx of of Ethiopian and Nubian female slaves was it impact on the racial configuration of the host...

and another source say [14]

Arab men in these coastal regions have children with black slaves

• the reason behind mentioning this was the fact that highlanders had a difficult time distinguishing Arabs from their slaves in Zabid, the Sulayhids (Hashidi tribesmen) had to put the people of Zabid through a linguistic test so they would not randomly kill the Arabs by mistaken them of being Ethiopians.[15].

to this day the population of Zabid and its surrounding are generally black due to the excessive intermarriage and mixing between people of the two coasts. So it is pretty logical to mention the Najahid and the slaves orgin in the demographic section not the history. I do not understand why you removed that they were rulers of Zabid, Tihama is a geographical term and the Najahid controlled no more than that port city. I have no problem with mentioning they were "Jazali" really if it's that important to you, you are right terms like "african slaves" are too broad but "Ethiopian slaves" is not really that broad as you may think because the term "Jazali" is just not that known to many people outside Ethiopia. but if you see that it is important to mention they were "Jazali", i have no problem with that and i should not make a big deal out of it. Just stick to the historical narrative. they did not rule Tihama and they were owned by their Ziyadid masters. You removed the sentence mentioning their role as rulers in the name of the Ziyadids at first. --يوسف حسين (talk) 17:45, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• Another thing, aren't your edits considered a revert too? your edits are basically a revert of mine since i was first to expand that article..--يوسف حسين (talk) 17:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

My edit already had support. On the other hand, one of the conditions for your unblocking was to not revert and instead seek consensus for the first time. Middayexpress (talk) 18:50, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• Congratulation on that "support" but i was blocked for edit warring. My question was why your version is out there when it's actually you who reverted the "original" version?

Regarding the issue of complexion, the author is mistaken because dark skin has been a native feature of many populations in Yemen (e.g. the Mahra). It doesn't require foreign admixture to explain its presence. Other authors also interpret it differently (e.g. "The culture and pigmentation of the people of the Tihama is testimony to the closeness of Ethiopia and Yemen both geographically and historically[...] Their closeness is also expressed in national myth and lore: both claim to be home to the biblial Queen of Sheba" [16]). I think therefore either we mention both interpretations, or drop the issue of complexion altogether. For its part, the Najahid dynasty was composed of former slaves from the Jazali group of Ethiopia. It ruled on its own behalf, not in the name of the Ziyadids. The Najahids also did apparently control a good portion of the Tihama region as a whole: "Following the end of the Ziyadid dynasty in the early 11th century, two former slaves of the kingdom founded the Najahid dynasty. Control of the Tihama swayed back and forth between the Najahid rulers and the Sulayhid power of the highlands. In the mid 12th century, Ali bin Mahdi finally brought about the end of the Najahid dynasty" [17]. Middayexpress (talk) 18:42, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

• you see? that is exactly my problem with you. I try to reach a common ground and close the case and you jump on and start talking about another topic, " the author is mistaken because dark skin has been a native feature of many populations in Yemen". Well, that problem is not really a concern of mine now since i am talking about a specific issue which is slavery from the east African coast facing the Yemen. I do not know what to do with a Picture of a Mahra guy with dark skin. You disregard everything just like that and say it does not require foreign admixture, so the sources i provided above are lying? is that what you are suggesting? Should i go and cherry-pick pictures to prove a point or go discussing a completely different Ethnic group now? You of all people should know how many Mahri and Hadrami trader settled in Somalia and east Africa [18]. I do not want to discuss that history in this section at least. Unless you want to open a new discussion which i will happily join, but please stick to the topic which is the Najahid and their relations to Zabid and East Africa. Sinan of Bakil << this is a picture of the chief Bakil tribal confederation. Bakil my friend is mentioned in Sabaean inscriptions so they are the natives of Yemen. If you want to discuss your preconceived notion that you are so preoccupied to prove which is "being black is a native feature in Yemen" , you should start a new discussion because i will not engage in a debate on multiple subjects at the same time.

Regarding the similarities between Yemen and Ethiopia, it's true there are many similarities in geography and ethnicity as well especially among the Amhara and tigray ethnic groups of northern Ethiopia (to a certain extent of course they are Africans in the end of the day). Ethiopia is the only country that still uses a writing system developed from Ancient South Arabian script. They have hooked noses and relatively lighter skin than let's say Somalis :). I did not deny that Ethiopians claim the legendary queen to be their own, to study and understand civilizations like the Sabaeans one must forget modern political boundaries because the Sabaeans did not really refer to themselves as Arabs,Yemeni,South Arabian, African or Ethiopian. they were a "Semitic" tribe who believed themselves to be children of an imaginary being called El-Maqah. However, modern studies support the view that the Semitic influence on Northern modern day Ethiopia came from what is today Yemen, and the fact that Marib was the Sabaeans headquarter from which they controlled the trade routes. Again, keep the discussion about the topic which is the Najahid, i posted another section regarding Sheba and user:asidsnow edits just above you. And NO i will not drop the issue of complexion ..

Lastly, Tihama is a vast geographical region in the Arabian Peninsula. There is no way that Najahid or anyone else for that matter controlled that entire coastal strip except for the Ottomans maybe but it was part of different Sanjaks, as Tihama is divided between the Yemen and Hejaz. Zabid is located in Tihama of Yemen ( Tihamat al-Yaman ) and the city of mecca for example is part of Tihama of Hejaz (Tihamat al-Hejaz ). the Najahid controlled the city of Zabid from 989 to 1022 in the name of their Ziyadid masters until receiving recognition from the Abassid in Baghdad in 1022. Again they never controlled Tihama in its entirety from Aden to Aqaba in North Arabia! they ruled Zabid and some of them built small towns around that port. the travel giuide is not wrong but it's not specific either because Tihama is a large geographical region, it is not identified as a political entity. regarding the Tihama population (low land as opposed to the Yemeni highlands) this sources say :[19][20][21] :

The Tihama has historical connection with the east african coast and its history

Large numbers of Ethiopian slaves were exported through dahlak to yemen, which explain the generally dark (not "darker") complexion of the Tihama population

Slavery and long-term migration have resulted in mixing with the peoples of East Africa, particularly in the Tihama region on the Red Sea coast

i could go on and on so please do not disregard historical facts and studies just because your honorable self think they are wrong. You have a preconceived notion that you want to prove, I will not drop the issue of complexion just to satisfy that notion [22]. Dark to "darker" and Africa to the horn of Africa.. disregarding everything in the sources to prove your own preconceived notion "dark skin has been a native feature of many populations in Yemen" .. well, i'm sorry but it's not and it's not something to drop and allow you to emphasize in the Yemen article. --يوسف حسين (talk) 23:13, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

First, WP:TALK instructs to keep talk page posts short and concise. You're thus just wasting your own time and everyone else's here by posting mountains of text. Second, I never stated that "being black is a native feature in Yemen." That is a strawman. What I did actually write was that "the author is mistaken because dark skin has been a native feature of many populations in Yemen." And I supported that too with a quote noting that "the culture and pigmentation of the people of the Tihama is testimony to the closeness of Ethiopia and Yemen both geographically and historically" [23]. The author in that passage is not talking about light skin uniting Ethiopians and Yemenis, as you somehow concluded. He is obviously talking about dark skin since he specifically mentions the pigmentation of the people of Tihama. In other words, this is an alternate explanation for why many Yemenis in general and the Tihama in particular are dark i.e. it's an autochthonous feature of theirs in common with the peoples of the Ethiopian highlands. Since you have declined the proposal to drop the issue of complexion, then surely you do not object if this alternate explanation is also noted. Just so you know, Yemeni populations in the eastern part of the country were also shown to have closer genetic ties with populations in the Horn than do those in the west [24]. Lastly, that the Najahids and Sulayids at various times controlled the Tihama region is indeed often asserted. Some more examples:

• "Control of the Tihamah passed regularly between the Sulayhids and al-Ahwal for some time, the Sulayhids taxing the Tihamah in the cool winter, the Najahids in the summer." [25]
• "Tihamah swung to and fro under the control of the Najahids and Sulayhids until Sa'id's death in 481/ 1088. His brother, Jayyash, ruled over Zabid from 482 — 98/1089—1104, during which time he built the town of Hays, purposedly bringing in relatives from Abyssinia to populate the new town. After his death, Najahid power was exercised by a series of slave ministers." [26]

One other thing, kindly refer to me by my actual username, Middayexpress (not "Midwayexpress", which I've had to correct several times now). Calling other editors out of name is disrespectful and a breach of WP:CIV. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, though, and assume that those were typos. Middayexpress (talk) 16:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah as expected this is going nowhere, multiple topics and circling around the the main issue. Please stop referring me to wikipedia policy pages, it is just an attempt to show off, if you think "mountain of texts" are a wast of time than stop arguing about whatever that is you are arguing about. Regarding the Tihami population, read the massage i left above. Because it did not contradict Robert Burrowes quote at all. You either did not read what i wrote or deliberately trying to extend this conversation as long as you can. You did not say "being black is a native feature in Yemen", you said : "..dark skin has been a native feature of many populations in Yemen".. ok! i don't know what to do with that. it's like saying :" i did not say the light is shiny, i said it's bright"!

You referred me to WP:TALK and it states "Avoid repeating your own lengthy posts", i quoted three sources regarding the Tihama population and they agree with the what Robert Burrowes wrote. In the end, the "dark complexion" (being black basically) is a foreign factor after all which was my point from the beginning. Just take some time and read my previous post again please. Robert Burrowes is talking about Tihama population yet you interpreted as "this is an alternate explanation for why many Yemenis in general and the Tihama in particular are dark" and again, you on your own concluded that it is "autochthonous feature". Where did Burrowes said that it was an "autochthonous feature"? He is clearly talking about Ethiopian (foreign body to Yemen) influence on Tihama population. Your interpretation cannot be accepted simply because it is not based upon a source. You took a sentence and interpreted on your own because Burrowes did not mention anything about being "autochthonous feautue common with the peoples of the Ethiopian highlands", he said :Ethiopia is Yemen's nearest sizable non Arab neighbor and one that had an important impact on Yemen over the ages and he went on and said how the skin color of Tihama population is a testimony to that. So it is a foreign impact just like i said before and i provided three quotes above that you completely disregarded and interpreted Burrowes's sentence in a really awkward way. Just read the three quotes i posted above about Tihama, do they really contradict Burrowes? or you just want to keep talking?

So i guess i am done here unless you have a source that says "being dark (black) is an autochthonous feature in common with Ethiopia", do not try too hard to prove your preconceived notion. Regarding the Genetics of Maharis and Hadramis, this is really off topic man and that link of yours proves nothing but i listed a link to a book above you apparently did not bother to check.

As for The Najahid and the extent of their rule, You do not understand my friend. They did not rule Tihama period! nobody did. Do you understand what i mean by Tihama? The Najahid did not rule an area from Aden to Aqaba! Zabid is/was the most important city in Tihamat al-yaman (Tihama of the Yemen meaning Hot lowland of the Yemen) so if some historians say the Najahid controlled Tihama, they do not necessarily mean that the Najahid ruled that entire coastal strip. Tihama in Arabic can be pluralized to "Taha'im" (Tihamas/lowlands), as tihama is not a name of a country or a specific land it is just geographical description to the western coastal strip of Arabia. Tihamat al Yaman (Yemeni Tihama) starts from Hali to Aden which was the Ziyadid Dynasty realm, so it is safe to call the Ziyadid rulers of "Tihamat al -Yaman". The Najahid on other hand did not control that entire area but they saved their masters capital (Zabid) from total collapse in 989. Al-Hussein bin Salama was a black eunuch who ruled in the name of his Ziyadid masters until his death in 1022. Najah, the founder of the dynasty, was a slave as well. He succeeded al-Hussain ibn Salama and received recognition from the Abbasid Caliphate in Baghdad. This narrative which you removed should be mentioned in the article. Your own source itself says :Jayyash, ruled over Zabid, if he ruled anything other than that they would have mentioned it. --يوسف حسين (talk) 18:00, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

U did realize you deleted my comment?--Inayity (talk) 18:48, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

• i received a message about edit conflict. I did not mean to delete your comment you can post it again "Inayity" but if it's not related to the discussion, please refrain :)--يوسف حسين (talk) 18:58, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Are you serious? Are you a previously banned new editor telling me about keeping it relevant? What kind of stupid comment is that?--Inayity (talk) 19:09, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah i asked you to refrain because i knew it was something like that. The fact that i got blocked has nothing to do with asking you to keep it relevant. You are just here to support your friend which is fine but please keep it about the topic in question not me --يوسف حسين (talk) 22:54, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Kendite/يوسف حسين: After just coming off your second block in a week, you were given a chance here to explain your position and in the process improve your behavior. Instead, you have continuously ignored standard talk page etiquette, accused me of attempting to "show off" when reminding you to adhere to it, taken my words out of context, called me out of name, made snide remarks about what you presumed was my background (which I never divulged, nor will I), and aggressively answered comments I never even made. Besides obvious civility issues, there are other problems as well. Just as an example, your link above alludes to intermarriages between the Zanj and Hadrami in Zanj territory in East Africa, not between Ethiopians and Hadramis in Hadhramaut. You also automatically presume that the Tihama's dark complexion (which is hardly exclusive to them amongst Yemenis) is a legacy of recent admixture, when there are in fact several alternative explanations. The main one is that the Tihama were the earliest inhabitants of the region i.e. the first/original Yemenis: "It has therefore been assumed that the dark-skinned people of the Saranik [sic] tribes, the largest tribal federation of the Tihamah, were the earliest inhabitants of the region, but in fact it is not clear whether they first lived on the Arabian or African side of the Red Sea" [27]. As another example, you write above that "your own source itself says : Jayyash, ruled over Zabid, if he ruled anything other than that they would have mentioned it", yet somehow overlook the rest the quote that goes "he built the town of Hays" and, more pointedly, that "Tihamah swung to and fro under the control of the Najahids and Sulayhids until Sa'id's death in 481/ 1088". This indeed isn't working out. Middayexpress (talk) 19:23, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

• Well, you see that's why i said it's an attempt to "show off" maybe i should have used a different word but you and your friends keep circling around that i got blocked, "your second block in a weak" (that's not very accurate) and "you threatened me", "you did not write my user name correctly" and so on. Your friends "Inyayati" and "acidsnow" called me a liar and stupid and you are referring to me using my previous username, but you don't see me bringing that up, do you? You are just looking for anything to discredit me. Anyhow, The link does not mention any Zanj or whatever even if it did it shed light upon a certain phenomena which is the relations Hadramis had with East Africa. Your link does not say anything about Ethiopia either. regarding the Zaraniq tribe of Tihama, so what? they are indeed the largest tirbe in that region but i do not know how you concluded that they were the "first/original Yemenis", What does it mean to be the "first Yemeni"?

Your source does not say that and it does not not say that the "Zaraniq" tribe was the "first original Yemeni", and if the author does not know if they first inhabited Arabia of Africa (you did not put a time range, are you talking about humans out of Africa in general or what?) that does not really qualify them as being "the first original Yemenis". Because i do not know who are the "first original Yemenis", nobody knows for that matter. I did not say their black complexion which is almost exclusive amongst them, is of recent admixture. It is historical. at least a thousand years since the Ziyadid Dynasty, at least! But it remains a foreign factor nevertheless as witnessed by the many sources i provided before. If you would just take some time and read these sources [28][29][30], it would explain why the Zaraniq tribe which i admire and respect are generally black. They could be of Arab origin as they claim (from Azd according to Arab genealogists) or they could be Africans who settled in the region, i do not know and your source does not either. What i know and other source emphasized is that Slavery and long-term migration have resulted in mixing with the peoples of East Africa, particularly in the Tihama region on the Red Sea coast . I referred you to a book that cite a medieval Yemeni historians that said Arab men in these coastal regions (Tihama) have children with black slaves and black skin skin is shared by free and slaves alike but you disregarded that as usual and didn't even discuss it because you believe they were the "first/original Yemenis", according to you. I do not know who first inhabited the region 10,000 years ago, My own tribe came from Najd in central Arabia, so i guess we are not the "first/original" Yemenites. :)

I did not make any snide remarks about your background, i know what it is even if you didn't say. This is why i asked to stop trying too hard to prove your preconceived notion that Yemenis are like you, or even similar to you. I do not know a lot about Somalia and i do not try too hard to prove anything about its people because i don't know anything about them. You want me to stop mentioning anything regarding "blackness" or "the complexion issue" in your words, am i right? is that your issue with me? I cannot do that because it's just not fair, there are black people in Yemen and there is a reason behind their existence which is according to most sources was immigration (back and forth) and slavery. Nobody besides you ever claimed that these black Yemeni citizens were the "first/original Yemenis" whatever that means.

lastly, Hays is like 20 minutes away from Zabid! it's hardly an evidence that the Njahaid controlled Tihama in its entirety. As your own source suggests, they ruled over Zabid. Now please unless you tell me what is it that you are trying too hard to prove, i think this discussion is going nowhere. The only reason i keep responding (i shouldn't really) to you is because i was told to keep talking before making an edit so i don't get blocked, i am not really enjoying this. I could have used this time to expand the article's content instead being locked here debating absolutely nothing. I am trying to keep this as relevant as i can. Cheers --يوسف حسين (talk) 23:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

If you keep up your incivilities you will be reported. You are asked to Assume Good Faith WP:AGF, You do not tell me about relevant on a page that you think you WP:OWN. And please reduce your prolix text it is a violation of the talk page and is totally excessive. Next warning will be at the Administration notice board. If you are unfamiliar with policy go and read it. Esp how to use the talk page. And do not delete my comments AGAIN!--Inayity (talk) 06:02, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

• go ahead. I don't know what to tell you. You are the one who called me stupid and kept reminding me that i was recently blocked for edit warring. i'm pretty sure that's against Wikipedia policies. Responding to your friend is not considered incivility, i did not call him names like you did to me and i never threatened him while you kept harassing me and accuse me of being a liar, stupid and uncivil, i don't think that constitute a "good faith". What did i do that would be considered a personal attack or incivility? i asked you kindly to keep the discussion about the article not me or my behavior because i did not do anything wrong. I did not delete your comment and asked you to post it again, i told you that i received an edit conflict message so i posted my text again. Continuing harassment and accusations will not play in your favor, as an editor i have every right to express my opinion about whatever i think is wrong with the article. You and your friends present an idea that contradicts my version of the truth, so i have to respond. in the end of day, my edit was reverted and no sign of good intention was ever presented. Do not threat me of reporting please as i am the one who should be reporting you. Disregarding every source i provide to prove a personal point of view. This long debate believe or not is about the usage of words like "black" and "Ethiopian slave", because apparently you believe that the Yemeni population is originally black, your friend said that the "first/original Yemenis are dark" or something like that, therefore it's not logical to use such terms! this is what i understood and i had to engage in a debate simply about sticking to the sources not personal interpretations and false unfounded notions.--يوسف حسين (talk) 07:48, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Right, this nonsense has gone on long enough. I've reported the matter here. Middayexpress (talk) 17:11, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

good thinking --يوسف حسين (talk) 23:38, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Tourism in Yemen

Hi! It would be great if you could create this article: Tourism in Yemen!

Perhaps you can draw some inspiration from Tourism in Brazil and Tourism in Germany. :) Thanks & all the best, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 20:54, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed

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Yemeni Ethnicity

Despite the country's location close to Africa, Yemenis are primarily of Arab origins. The Suni/Shi'a religious division is somewhat ethnically driven. The social structure of Yemeni Arabs consists of four classes of people: the Sayyid, or wealthy (who trace their decent to the grandson of Muhammad), the Qatani, (tribesmen), the Shafi'ite townsmen (merchants, artisans, and craftsmen), and the Akhdam (slaves). Despite prejudices toward Africans by Arab Yemenis, academic studies have found that Yemenite Arabs have 35% Black African genes in their mtDNA (maternal line), while some other Middle Eastern people have less. The most obvious explanation is that Yemen is very close geographically to Sub-Saharan Africa and is not separated by the Saharan barrier. Middle Eastern countries far away from the Arabian peninsula, have as little as 10 percent African blood in their mtDNA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.228.75.132 (talk) 13:08, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

@84.228.75.132 Most Middle Eastern people have less.

Can You please give a link to this study? --YOMAL SIDOROFF-BIARMSKII (talk) 22:15, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Yemeni Ethnicity — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.228.164.12 (talk) 14:24, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Infofox

Is Hadi still President, or did his resignation take effect on Jan 22, 2015. GoodDay (talk) 03:38, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

As has been reported in the news, the legislature is prepared to consider whether to accept or reject Hadi's resignation. Rejection is an option, however remote, and until that option is removed there is no basis for declaring the office vacant on this page. There's no need to get ahead of events. 50.185.134.48 (talk) 04:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Legitimacy of the Houthi "constitutional declaration"

It isn't for us to decide. What's more, the intro is emphatically not the place for a running presentation of events as they develop in Yemen. See WP:NOTNEWS. Also, if we're going to unilaterally decide the Houthis haven't taken control of the government, contra practically every WP:RS out there, we're going to need better sources than a journal entry or two. As I see it, User:يوسف حسين, the revisions you keep trying to impose are chock-full of WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, and WP:POV issues, and instead of edit-warring over them, you need to obtain consensus per WP:CONSENSUS and WP:BRD. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:12, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Your edits are not fulfilling and don't draw a complete picture, leading to a misleading presentation of events. al-Jazeera and al-Arabiya are biased sources and are not to be trusted while reporting on the Houtis. English is not my first language and i don't mean to disturb the page in anyway, but please avoid the over simplification while writing about the current crisis.--يوسف حسين (talk) 18:20, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Houthis did indeed take over the government, but the government is not functioning and their declaration was not recognized neither locally or internationally. So instead of naming Mohammed Ali al-Houthi as an acting president, i think a mentioning that the government resigned would be better.--يوسف حسين (talk) 18:28, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I am happy to work with you on addressing areas where you think the article is deficient, but edit warring against consensus is not the way to go. If you lay out the changes you would like to see, we can workshop them on Talk (with the participation of any other editor who is interested) and try to come to a consensus on implementing them. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I think an intro shedding some light on the events prior to Hadi's resignation would be a good start --يوسف حسين (talk) 18:28, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Yemeni politics is all about balance between tribal and military centers of powers, just because someone declared himself a president, does not mean he really is. Your edit ignored the fact that Jamal Benomar is still meditating negotiations between warring factions, so the houthi declaration is not final. I think the article should emphasize on that.--يوسف حسين (talk) 18:34, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

My feeling is that details like that are best covered in the "Revolution and aftermath" section, which may be due for a split. I'm not averse to adding a line at the end of the intro noting that UN talks are ongoing, but the idea that the Houthi coup has fizzled out is unsupported. -Kudzu1 (talk) 18:36, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree the intro section is too long. However, their declaration has fizzled out indeed. They announced that members of the "dissolved" parlimant will join their 551 member national transtional council within days, only 12 people registered. Even Ali Abdullah Saleh who has been aiding them against common adversaries such al-Ahmar tribal group and Islah, refused to back their plan. If that is not a complete failure, what is? The fact that the Houthis are willing to negotiate with political parties, demonstrate how desperate they are in their quest to legitimize their attempted coup.--يوسف حسين (talk) 18:50, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I can provide a list references in Arabic and you can translate them and evaluate the situation yourself. The Houthis did not want Hadi and his government to resign, that's the exact opposite of a coup. They were and still looking for a weak president they could dictate terms to. They have no desire to rule directly and held responsible in the eyes of the Yemeni public--يوسف حسين (talk) 18:52, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I think we have to wait for reliable sources to assess the situation and reach that conclusion on their own, rather than try to synthesise a conclusion based in part on our own original research. It doesn't hurt us to hold off before judging a nine-day-old coup to have failed, especially considering that I haven't seen any indication that the Houthis have conceded territory, control of state institutions, or anything of the sort. -Kudzu1 (talk) 19:02, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

that's not an original research, Yemen's state institutions are weak and have always been a front for patronage politics.[31] Houthis removed Islah members from government buildings and replaced them with their own. The only development is Hadi's resignation. At least keep the part about their battle with Ali Mohsen al-Ahmar before taking over Sanaa in September, and the reason they used to justify their kidnapping of Hadi's chief of staff. Also mentioning that UN meditated talks are still going on wouldn't hurt. You identified what happened as coup based on your own synthesis, am i right? which is not completely wrong but i do not see a good reason for emphasizing "neighboring states" position when the international community has not identify it as such. Also, "protesters" are mostly members of certain political parties, some of them are on Saudi payroll. So i suggest changing it to something like "Houthi's declaration wasn't recognized locally" however you see fit--يوسف حسين (talk) 19:17, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

I just made a small change by adding Islah as part of the conflict that erupted in the north, and the fact that the Yemeni parliament granted Saleh and his associates immunity from persecution.--يوسف حسين (talk) 08:01, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Those seem like reasonable additions -- thanks. -Kudzu1 (talk) 08:12, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU??? YOU CAN PRINT WHAT YOU WANT, AND OTHERS MUST "WORKSHOP THEM ON TALK!? GO FUCK YOURSELF! 123.255.16.94 (talk) 10:57, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

food facts

Customs[edit] The generous offering of food to guests is one of the customs in Yemeni culture, and a guest not accepting the offering is considered as an insult.[1] Meals are typically consumed while sitting on the floor or ground.[1]

§Food preparation[edit] In Yemen, many kitchens have a taboon (also called tannur), which is a round clay oven.[1]

§Fruits and vegetables[edit] Tomatoes, onions, and potatoes are some of the staple fruits and vegetables in Yemen.[2]

§Meat and dairy[edit]

Homemade mandi from Hadhramaut, Yemen Chicken, goat, and lamb are the staple meats in Yemen.[2] They are eaten more often than beef, which is expensive. Fish is also eaten, especially in the coastal areas. Cheese, butter, and other dairy products are less common in the Yemeni diet. Buttermilk, however, is enjoyed almost daily in some villages where it is most available. The most commonly used fats are vegetable oil and ghee used in savory dishes, while clarified butter, known as semn (سمن), is the choice of fat used in pastries.

§Legumes[edit] Broad beans are used in Yemeni dishes, such as bean salad. Lentils are also used in dishes, such as stews.[3]

§Yemeni dishes[edit]

A fatoot of fried bread with eggs Dishes common in Yemen include: aseed, fahsa, fattah, fatoot,[3] ful medames, hanith, hareesh, jachnun, kabsa, komroh, mandi, mutabbaq, Samak Mofa, shafut, shakshouka, thareed, and Zurbiyan.

§Saltah[edit] Although each region has their own variation, Saltah (سلتة) is considered the national dish.[3] The base is a brown meat stew called maraq (مرق), a dollop of fenugreek froth (holba), and sahawiq (سحاوق) or sahowqa (a mixture of chili peppers, tomatoes, garlic, and herbs ground into a salsa). Rice, potatoes, scrambled eggs, and vegetables are common additions to saltah. Meats used in the preparation of this dish are typically lamb or chicken.[2] It is eaten traditionally with Yemeni flat bread, which serves as a utensil to scoop up the food.

§Ogdat[edit] Ogdat (عقدة), meaning knot in Arabic, is a stew made from tying and mixing all the ingredients together. There are many types of ogdat, and it can be made with small pieces of lamb, chicken, or fish that is mixed and cooked together with vegetables, including tomatoes, carrots, potatoes, onions, zucchini, etc.

§Yemeni bread varieties[edit]

Laxoox Breads are an integral part of Yemeni cuisine, most of which are prepared from local grains.[1] Unleavened flat breads are common.[2] Tawa, Tameez, Laxoox, Malooga, Kader, Kubane, Fateer, Kudam, Rashoosh, Oshar, Khamira, and Malawah[1] are popular breads eaten in Yemen. Flat bread is usually baked at home in a tandoor called taboon (تبون). Malooga, khubz, and khamira are popular homemade breads. Store-bought pita bread and roti (bread rolls like French bread) are also common.

§Spices[edit] A spice mixture known as hawaij is employed in many Yemeni dishes. Hawaij includes aniseeds, fennel seeds, ginger, and cardamom.

Yemeni cuisine is often prepared hot and spicy with the use of chili peppers, cumin, coriander seeds, turmeric, and other spices.[3] Herbs such as fenugreek, mint, and cilantro are also used.[3] Fenugreek is used as one of the main ingredients in the preparation of a paste or sauce called holba (also spelled hulba).[3]

§Desserts and sweets[edit] Bint Al-Sahn is a sweet honey cake or bread from Yemeni cuisine.[3][1] It is prepared from a dough with white flour, eggs, and yeast, which is then served dipped in a honey and butter mixture.[1]

Other common desserts include: fresh fruit (mangoes, bananas, grapes, etc.), zalābiya, halwa, Rawani and masoob. Masoob is a banana-based dessert made from over-ripe bananas, ground flat bread, cream, cheese, dates, and honey.

§Honey[edit] In Yemen, honey is produced within the country, and is considered a delicacy.[1] Locally-produced honey has a high demand, and it is also considered as a status symbol in the country.[1]

§Beverages[edit]

Black tea Shahi Haleeb (milk tea, served after qat), black tea (with cardamom, clove, or mint), qishr (coffee husks), Qahwa (coffee), Karkadin (an infusion of dried hibiscus flowers), Naqe'e Al Zabib (cold raisin drink), and diba'a (squash nectar) are examples of popular Yemeni drinks. Mango and guava juices are also popular.

Although coffee and tea are consumed throughout Yemen,[2] coffee is the preferred drink in Sana'a, whereas black tea is the beverage of choice in Aden and Hadhramaut. Tea is consumed along with breakfast, after lunch (occasionally with sweets and pastries), and along with dinner. Popular flavorings include cloves with cardamom and mint. A drink made from coffee husks called qishr is also enjoyed.

Alcoholic beverages are considered improper due to cultural and religious reasons, but they are available in the country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.59.89.206 (talk) 12:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Adherence to atheism?

In the religion section:

"About 1 percent of Yemenis are non-Muslim, adhering to Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, or atheism."

Adhere is defined as:

• "believe in and follow the practices of"
• "to be devoted in support or allegiance; be attached as a follower or upholder"

It doesn't make any sense to say that people who don't hold religious beliefs "adhere to atheism". Any suggestions on how this should be reworded? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.162.135.19 (talk) 20:18, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Suggest removing atheism from that list and adding "or having no religious affiliation". -Kudzu1 (talk) 20:48, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

"or having no religious affiliation" is not the same as "atheism". Also the OP states, but does not give any reason, why 'It doesn't make any sense to say that people who don't hold religious beliefs "adhere to atheism"'.Snarfblaat (talk) 22:22, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Panorama of Haraaz landscape has scrollbars when watching pages in zoom

I don't see many WP articles with a panorama photo and imho it's a lovely variation to pictures on the right of an article. However, there is a small issue with it. I view pages in 125% zoom by default. In that zoom, the image doesn't fit the frame and there's scroll bars to the right of and below the image. Is this a local error or a WP wide issue? In case of the latter, could anyone help me find out where to address this? We're at the dawn of an era of high res displays (higher than full hd / 1080p), both on high end laptops and pc displays. So this will become an issue to an increasing group of users. PizzaMan (♨♨) 20:32, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Ancient history

No mention of the Aksumite conquest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snarfblaat (talk • contribs) 22:32, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

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Yemen area size?!

Currently on Wikipedia the area size written is 527,970 km2, whereas other sources says the area is 555,000 km2.. and to more precise, Yemeni sources has a number of sources that says 555,000 km2, and there are also a number of sources that says 527,970 km2!!! How can we solve this? 967Bytes (Contact) 16:35, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

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GDP PPP

The GDP PPP calculations are far off . Would someone be able to edit that please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.88.227.242 (talk) 08:06, 30 July 2018 (UTC)

Ethnic groups

Hi Mr.user:Kleuske can you tell me where did these percentages come from? Do you have a source? Or you just assumed it? SharabSalam (talk) 13:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

It's Mrs. Kleuske, thankyouverymuch. The onus is on you to provide sources for the change. Kleuske (talk) 13:40, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

See Demographics of Yemen. Kleuske (talk) 13:43, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Yemen.html

Moroccansoldier (talk) 15:00, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Watching CSPAN about Yemen. Lots of chatter - no real news. I didn't know that Yemen was mineral, gas and oil rich. Shows how dumb I am - a war in the Middle East should have tipped me off. 75.68.248.198 (talk) 21:27, 30 October 2018 (UTC)