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==It's coming back?== |
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Added a line to the top stating that 4chan was coming back under new management. I didn't add the new section however. [[User:Ghost Freeman|Ghost Freeman]] 23:08, 7 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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==This page is a mess== |
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Someone ought to rewrite it from scratch. For one thing, we don't need a list of all of 4chan's boards; there's isn't a list of [[Futaba Channel|Futaba]]'s boards... |
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==Soviet Russia?== |
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Sweet Christ, do we really need that much on him in the article? Hell, do we even need to mention him beyond the CockMongler? --[[User:Paul Soth|Paul Soth]] 20:52, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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:I agree, I'ven't (yay?) even heard any of the memes he is supposed to use. [[User:Philip Nilsson|Philip Nilsson]] 08:50, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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::Well, it's been fixed now. Whole thing looked like a vanity job anyway. Last damn thing we need is the glorification of trolls. And lousy trolls at that. --[[User:Paul Soth|Paul Soth]] 17:06, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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fixed - ranix |
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== VfD debate == |
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For the archived debate related to this article see [[Talk:4chan/delete]] -- [[User:Francs2000|Graham ☺]] | [[User talk:Francs2000|Talk]] 02:03, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC) |
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You forgot to add the most zestful and jocular meme of Nevada-Tan. |
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:You're not fully meme unless you're zestfully meme. [[User:Azure Haights|Azure Haights]] 22:53, Nov 27, 2004 (UTC) |
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== Memes/popular 4chan culture == |
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Why the hell are all memes listed? None of them are particulary funny ( some are actually painfully unfunny... ), interesting nor well-known on other communities. Together with the fact that the memes are a complete mess and not really fit for inclusion in an encyclopedia, I think they should be removed. Any objections with good reasoning? :: [[User:DarkLordSeth|DarkLordSeth]] 00:00, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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I'm trying to streamline them. ~Java |
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* I'm more thinking of removal instead of streamlining. First of all, this kind of stuff doesn't belong in an excyclopedia. Second of all, none of those memes are famous or well-known enough to be even worthy of mention on here. Once something reaching the level of "[[All your base are belong to us]]", THEN it's big enough to include in Wikipedia. Untill then, get it out of here. I'll archive them to the talk page if you want. '''Any objections with good reasoning?''' :: [[User:DarkLordSeth|DarkLordSeth]] 14:59, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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*Yes, objection. It's not good reasoning. It's an encyclopedia entry about 4chan culture. Memes, at least the widespread ones, are PART of 4chan culture and thus deserve to be included. Also, they're referenced by users and by the 4chan community. Just because it's not famous to the rest of the Web doesn't mean it's not famous to 4chan. |
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:*If it's famous to just 4chan and not the rest of the world, it should remain on 4chan. These memes are '''NOT''' widely known enough to justify inclusion in here. Encyclopedic information about 4chan would be some details about it's origins, the fact it's been declared dead half a dozen times and that's pretty much it. However, in-depth explanations of the 4chan's memes are not to be considered encyclopedic. :: [[User:DarkLordSeth|DarkLordSeth]] 00:00, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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* If it's famous as part of 4chan, then surely the memes should be listed. Your justification is limiting it to not giving the memes their ''own'' article. -- Anonymous |
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:*There are lots of famous little tidbits about lots of things. On Wikipedia we don't include useless trivia. The memes and "famous poster" bits ARE useless trivia. Besides, all memes and "famous poster"s are highly POV; some people might think of a meme as the next best thing as sliced bread, others may hate it. Same deal with "famous poster"s. This is an encyclopedia. We list FACTS here, not useless POV trivia. :: [[User:DarkLordSeth|DarkLordSeth]] 15:21, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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:* Wow you win at pretentious Wiki Godlyhood. This is the page for 4chan. It is a reflection of 4chan. We will decide in our own time what to do about the memes. Deleting the entire section will merely make another damn vandalism war, so kindly participate in the democratic method and stop acting like WTSnacks. ~Java |
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::* No, no, no. This page is '''NOT''' for 4chan, this page is for pretty much any Wikipedia visitor who is interested in encyclopedic information about the 4chan community. This page is '''NOT''' a reflection of 4chan either, it's an article that is meant to give good information about 4chan. Lastly, it is '''NOT''' up to the 4chan people to decide what happens with this article, so why don't you play along with the democratic process as well while I move this to cleanup. |
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:::I'm tempted to put it up on [[WP:VfD]] instead because I highly question how "notable" this community is. Notable communities are [[Something Awful]], [[Fark]] and [[GameFAQs]], for example. Not 4chan. The current behaviour by community members only confirms the idea of this community being an unnotable niche on the internet. |
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== lol wiki drama == |
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he's not a meme. deal. |
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24.218.103.51, in your single-minded effort to be the sole arbiter of what is and is not a meme, you helpfully reverted my spelling corrections. Thanks, that's greatly appreciated. Now gb2/b/ and stay there. --[[User:208.180.124.100|208.180.124.100]] 01:16, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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== Incorrect information. == |
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Milhouse is not memetic, because he is only used by one poster, two at most. |
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Gildor is not the resident /b/tard idiot - they all are. (correction: Gildor stands out as being dumb even for /b/ and should be regarded as its chief idiot) |
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Avril is very rarely mentioned. |
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Most of the new additions are too new to be properly seen as memetic or not. |
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If Wiki hadn't noticed, the vandalisms were perpetrated by the pro-milhouse poster. Further proof that milhouse is the vandalism, not his removal |
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:"Milhouse is not memetic, because he is only used by one poster, two at most." This is simply incorrect. You only need two people in a memetic relationship. Also, there have been far more than two who posted him. At least more than the proclaimed WTF Kaorin, Sadako or W.T. Snacks when people put them on the meme list - but noone objected then. And the objection to Milhouse isn't one based on any objective observation regarding how many posters posted him, either, but on pure personal emotional opposition. There is no vandalism in listing Milhouse along the other memes. In order to conform to Wiki's NPOV standard, even memes you do not like have to be listed - the only alternative being NO memes listed at all. |
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:Milhouse is hardly ever posted on the board except during floods by the one or two idiots who post pictures to piss people off. A meme is generally accepted and posted by all users. |
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::"A meme is generally accepted and posted by all users." That's retarded and not true - NO meme is generally accepted and posted by all users |
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:::Memes are usually posted by MORE THAN TWO users. And they tend to show up on the /b/ boards more than once in a blue moon. Cockmongler is posted by many people and has survived for a while. Personally I think most of the "memes" need to be K.O.'d. Let's keep to long-term and surviving memes, not ego-stroking. |
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== Famous Dates? == |
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There was a Famous Dates section, displaying dates remembered by 4channers, why was it deleted? |
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:Probably got lost in the shuffle of vandalism and reversions. There's still a lot of useless and incorrect material in the current frozen state. |
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**Last known content of the "Famous Dates" section: |
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*** '''Soviet Sunday''' was a day when everyone who posted was listed as Soviet Russia. |
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*** '''Guro Sunday''' is a day where /b/ is filled mostly with Guro. (Frequent) |
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*** '''The Day /b/ Reached Over 100 Pages''' was when 4chan's /b/ reached over 100 pages of random. |
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*** '''Furry Friday''' is similar to Guro Sunday, with the exception of yiffy images being posted instead of guro. |
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*** '''Death of /z/''' was when the other random image board, known as /z/ was killed off. |
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*** '''Tractor-chan''' was when one post on /b/ reached more than 300 posts, all about a plump girl who IMed W.T. Snacks, and is now known as Tractor-chan. |
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*** '''/z/ Crashed 4chan twice''' was when the section of 4chan known as /z/ ate up so much of 4chan's bandwidth, that it crashed twice. |
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*** '''Death of 4chan''' (Note: this has happened on numerous occasions, only leading to the rebirth of 4chan later) One notable death of 4chan was dead for the fourth time. The owner, moot, announced it featuring an image of a jet that exploded in air, with a pilot floating away from it, arrows pointed to each object, the jet being 4chan, and the pilot being moot. |
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signed, [[User:Humblefool|hfool]] 23:28, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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How about a list of the dates of 4chan's many shutdowns/restarts? Also, a section on why it took the name 4chan and not 3chan. |
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*All the above need DATES. Of those events, I think only Furry Friday, /z/ death, /z/ crashed 4chan, the deaths of 4chan, and also SUPER SLAM!! day. Chronologly-style is best. ~Java |
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== Proposed changes == |
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* Removal of /b-only characters and memes, or at least their transfer to a "/b characters and memes" section. They can't really be considered general 4chan memes if they haven't spread beyond /b. They include Gildor, Psaiyan, Bad Teeth Man, Cock Mongler, Covercat, "Harbl" or "...touch my harbl", Queen of Punk, The Undernet, You forgot Poland. |
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* Removal of the memes that clearly predate 4chan or were not originated there or in 2chan. I'd hit it, Kill it with fire, "One does not simply ... into Mordor.", Needs more [...], y halo thar |
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* Reinstatement of the "Famous dates" section. |
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--[[User:24.114.252.183|24.114.252.183]] 19:30, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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~Agreed. /b/ meme section is mostly trash, but Psaiyan should be in Famous People because he DID create the whole Rei situation. |
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~Agreed, except with "I'd hit it" which should be kept because of the weapons thing. |
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~If we do, we need the actual DATES not "zOMG GURO SUNDAY LOL!" |
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--Java |
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~Sounds like a good plan, and "I'd Hit It" might be spreading a little out of imageboards. Scary...BTW, guys, sign your posts, even if you don't have a username. '''Click the second button from the right above the edit box''', that's all you need. do you mind if I move your comments apart a little? [[User:Humblefool|hfool]] 22:24, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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**Hokay, '''"Eyebrows,"''' or '''"Amarao-Brows,"''', '''"Moot"''', '''Multi-track Drifting''', '''"Osakaphone"''', '''Waha''', '''Yaranaika''', '''"Spicy hot loligasms"''', '''"SPIKE DIES"''', '''Bad Teeth Man''', '''[[Milhouse]]''', and '''Psaiyan''' have all been removed, but I still have the text. Give me a reason to keep any of the above, or they will not return. [[User:Humblefool|hfool]] 23:01, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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***'''Multi-track Drifting''', '''Waha''', '''Yaranaika''', '''"Spicy hot loligasms"''' Are all well known and have seen regular use outside of /b for a long time. I don't know what buki^2 has to do with spicy hot loligasms though.--[[User:24.114.252.183|24.114.252.183]] 16:39, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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***Psaiyan should stay, because he DID cause the whole Rei thing. Spike dies isn't just /b/. And the ones above should stay. And lol wiki, we still have the text, it's called History. What, are you a kidnapper to threaten? Does this need more Yoshinoya? Oh-- yeah, we need Yoshinoya. ~Java |
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***Quiet Java, the spammers don't know that! Anyway, the point was to try and cut down on the massive amount of rather worthless meme information. I did kinda cut randomly, but it needs pruning. So, Psaiyan goes to '''people''', '''Multi-track Drifting''', '''Waha''', '''Yaranaika''', and '''Spicy hot loligasms''' return? Grrr, I got reverted. Nevermind. For now. [[User:Humblefool|hfool]] 01:33, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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== moot == |
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moot is currently a link to [[mootness]], to do: unwiki moot. |
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== stop the vandalism! == |
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Someone (67.137.248.71) keeps messing with this page! please stop! |
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== Torturecat? == |
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Anyone else think that [[4chan]] needs an entry documenting the 'Torturecat incident'? It was one of the more notable things to happen on /b/ in a LONG time. [[User:Kurt Shaped Box|Kurt Shaped Box]] 23:02, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 05:53, 21 December 2004
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