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Looking over the pages for several comparable cities in England, including Salford and Leeds, it appears a distinction is made between the actual settlement and the local government district of the same name. For example, [[Salford, Greater Manchester]] vs [[City of Salford]], and [[Leeds]] vs [[City of Leeds]]. I have no strong opinion either way, but I just wanted to initiate a discussion on whether we should do the same for Manchester? It seems like some consistency in this regard would be a good idea. What are people's thoughts?
Looking over the pages for several comparable cities in England, including Salford and Leeds, it appears a distinction is made between the actual settlement and the local government district of the same name. For example, [[Salford, Greater Manchester]] vs [[City of Salford]], and [[Leeds]] vs [[City of Leeds]]. I have no strong opinion either way, but I just wanted to initiate a discussion on whether we should do the same for Manchester? It seems like some consistency in this regard would be a good idea. What are people's thoughts?
[[Special:Contributions/147.147.233.8|147.147.233.8]] ([[User talk:147.147.233.8|talk]]) 17:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
[[Special:Contributions/147.147.233.8|147.147.233.8]] ([[User talk:147.147.233.8|talk]]) 17:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
:There is a [[Manchester city centre]] article. --[[User:The Vintage Feminist|The Vintage Feminist]] ([[User talk:The Vintage Feminist|talk]]) 20:45, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


== What a blogger from San Francisco made of Manchester ==
== What a blogger from San Francisco made of Manchester ==

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Ice Hockey teams

Is ice hockey a sufficiently notable sport to warrant mention in this article? The city has two clubs - Manchester Storm and Manchester Phoenix, but neither are based in the city. Surely the actual geographical location of the stadia which the teams play out of is irrelevant? Both teams claim to represent the city - the clue is in their names? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 21 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vandals

Attention, vandals: Ratchester. Carlotm (talk) 21:23, 2 April 2016 (UTC) Can somebody fix the extra (disambiguation)? thx MarcusOfMichigan (talk) 23:27, 20 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Alternative pronunciations

Manchester (/ˈmæntʃɪstə/)--Oxford Dictionaries. "Manchester". Oxford University Press, 2013. Accessed 27 August 2013. An editor prefers |ər but has not provided an alternative reference. I think we should discuss which version we prefer. Educated speedh in Moston and Cheetham Hill would object to |æ| which is so terribly Auksford! Personally I have met so many different ways, separated by class, age and locallly I wouldn't trust my own opinion.--ClemRutter (talk) 23:57, 23 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You are doing brilliant work with all these fancy squiggles! I was alerted by two sensitivities- one a fact changed but the reference remained unchanged- and two- that anyone was trying to touch a major item on an FA-, hence the revert.
I have followed the reference you gave and I was almost convinced until I followed through to the line 'these have merged in UK English'. No. Where I live this is true but in Manchester with its remnants of an older English 'Northern vowels' it hasn't yet happened. Teaching EFL in Manchester we would correct Spanish students who pronounced it as is was written- and tell them it was more like Manchest- urgh! Salford- Oldham gave deeper problems when southern vowels were used- or the phonetic system used in secondary schools in Spain. And |æ| needs to be researched too.
Coming from a middle class Northern RP background I had a grandmother who would pick up any trace of 'that disgusting accent the poor boys speak'- and going to school on the bus I crossed at least three lingusitic fault lines- and lived in terror of getting roughed up because 'he spoke proper'. (off focus anecdote!)
If you do eventually decide to make a change I think you need to think about how this should be referenced because further comment is needed- I suggest we leave this open for further comment and then feel free to make the final decision. --ClemRutter (talk) 16:32, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what your basic argument is. On WP, the protocol is to use IPA that is inclusive to as many World Englishes as possible; it has nothing to do with references (though you can easily see r-including pronunciations in various US dictionaries, for example). If you say a phrase like "Manchester is" is there not a linking "r" sound at least in that phrase? The historical R is an inherent part of the word. Again, I feel a great compromise (like on the current Melbourne page) is to have the more universal English IPA transcription as well as a local one. Wolfdog (talk) 02:14, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To be specific, I'm talking about the /ər/ and /ə/ vowels, as I think you understand. On WP, the /ər/ in /ˈmæntʃɪstər/ is what we're getting at: a sound that most Americans, Canadians, and Irish and West Country natives, for example, would pronounce something like [ɚ], most southern Britons (Londoners, Welsh folk, etc.) would pronounce [ə], northern English people would pronounce [ə] or [ɜ], and so on. Wikipedia's (based primarily on John C. Wells') way to universally represent that phoneme is /ər/. Is there some objection to this? Wolfdog (talk) 19:50, 26 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Wolfdog: Even if there is, it must be raised on Help talk:IPA/English, not here. It's a misuse of the IPAc-en template, so I reverted it. Mr KEBAB (talk) 09:03, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Mr KEBAB: Actually, you seem to be agreeing with me. Wolfdog (talk) 15:41, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Wolfdog: Did I say I wasn't? ;) I replied to the very last sentence of your message. EDIT: Oh, you mean the 'misuse' part. I was referring to transcribing the final sound(s) with /ə/ instead of /ər/. Perhaps I should've made that clearer. Mr KEBAB (talk) 17:28, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Mr KEBAB: Oh, duh! I completely misinterpreted your words. Sorry.... Carry on! Wolfdog (talk) 14:17, 8 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't spell "Oxford" as "Auksford". /ɒ/ is not the same as /ɔ/ in British English. --94.217.102.134 (talk) 14:59, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hatnotes...many there are

Per the Wikipedia guideline WP:HAT "If at all possible, limit hatnotes to just one at the top of the page." This article presently has a list of six different links, this seems excessive to me.
I think the numbers need to be trimmed down a bit to include the disambiguation page of [[Manchester (disambiguation)]], the [[2017 Manchester Arena incident]] article while it is a major news story (for the short-term) and perhaps the [[Manchester, New Hampshire]] article. I changed it to that configuration, it was reverted, so let's discuss. Shearonink (talk) 03:33, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the Arena incident hatnote since the 'recent news' template is taking care of that possible issue. Shearonink (talk) 03:36, 23 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Μάνχεστρο: shitty Manchester, when we support a non-Mancunian team versus a Mancunian

Why is there no link at the top half of the page that links to the England wiki page or the UK wiki page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.122.250.248 (talk) 15:28, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]


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Mamucium or Mancunium

The page mentions Mamucium or Mancunium. There is a wikipedia page with the name Mamucium so the mention in this page should be a link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.97.62.77 (talk) 14:37, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rossendale Valley mention?

Hi everyone, I would be very grateful if anyone here can please answer my query here regarding a mention of the Rossendale Valley (simplified as Rossendale hills) in the climate section in this article (and the Greater Manchester article)? One problem with this mention to me is that the Rossendale Valley is part of the Pennines (the Rossendale Valley article even states the region is part of the Pennines) and a separate mention basically implies that the area is separate to the Pennines and even though the article just gives mention to the Pennines alone and not any sub-ranges/areas earlier on, the Rossendale Valley appears out of nowhere in the climate section beside the already mentioned Pennines ("the Pennine and Rossendale hills that surround the city to its east and north receive more snow"). Another problem with this mention is that the Rossendale Valley does not extend to the city of Manchester itself, it just lies in the area north of Manchester and I believe its within Lancashire and if the Peak District and West Pennine Moors are not given mention in this article (even though they are arguably closer to Manchester than the Rossendale Valley) due to the fact that it would be off topic, I see no reason why the Rossendale Valley should even be mentioned at all here and if it is still given mention, the Peak District and West Pennine Moors might as well be mentioned too as it would be hypocritical in my opinion to say places like the Peak District or West Pennine Moors should not be mentioned when the Rossendale Valley is given mention here. I had actually removed it from this article earlier on last year but my change got reverted by another user so I thought I'd raise this point here before doing anything else. Please feel free to answer this query of mine, I will happily welcome any polite response. Thank you and Happy New Year. Broman178 (talk) 10:22, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I agree and have removed that part of the sentence. As far as I know there is no area known as the Rossendale hills and, as you say, that area is part of the Pennines. There is no mention of Rossendale in the article cited although there is a mention of Rosedale Abbey in north Yorkshire which someone may have confused with Rossendale, so if someone wants to put it back they will need another citation. Richerman (talk) 21:59, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for both your reply and for changing that sentence because I believe this issue needed to be solved. Like I said, I removed it myself from the sentence earlier last year but another user (J3Mrs) reverted my change on the basis that it apparently was an unhelpful edit to the article (to J3Mrs anyway). I'll make a similar change in the Greater Manchester article because the same issue is present in the climate section there. Broman178 (talk) 10:20, 7 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

City of Manchester?

Looking over the pages for several comparable cities in England, including Salford and Leeds, it appears a distinction is made between the actual settlement and the local government district of the same name. For example, Salford, Greater Manchester vs City of Salford, and Leeds vs City of Leeds. I have no strong opinion either way, but I just wanted to initiate a discussion on whether we should do the same for Manchester? It seems like some consistency in this regard would be a good idea. What are people's thoughts? 147.147.233.8 (talk) 17:52, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There is a Manchester city centre article. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 20:45, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What a blogger from San Francisco made of Manchester

Turns out there's a lot of drink. City review: Manchester, England. --The Vintage Feminist (talk) 20:40, 12 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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