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Was blocked unjustly, and via circular reasoning

Hello! You blocked me. This I circular reasoning for the first delete by Yaniv was inappropriate. He called my post “garbage”. I have a right to appeal to the editors board and speak, and people have been siding with me, but you and others keep blocking me! For nothing I’ve done on the administrators page! This is not okay! You aren’t using logic or sources, but ridiculous rules that you use whenever you feel it meets your agenda! STOP! Thank you for your time!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.203.4.16 (talk) 05:05, 4 September 2018‎ (UTC)

New section

Hi, I redirected the Kurdish genocide dab page to the primary topic, Anfal, but I was surprised when I saw your name in the editing history (I did this as what seemed like obvious cleanup, but now I'm worried there may be some past discussions I wasn't aware of). The content didn't seem appropriate for a dab page. I checked Max Planck which is my go to source for authoritative international law stuff and the only thing that came up was the Iraqi Special Tribunal. In any case, I'm prepared for a discussion if it's needed, as I'm currently working on improving coverage of ICTR and ICTY cases so I have a bunch of sources already open in front of me. Seraphim System ^(talk) 03:47, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

@Seraphim System: I'll leave it to you, I don't have an opinion. Doug Weller talk 21:12, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Londinium Demographics

I don't know why you keep changing the demographic information on the Londinium page that I provide. I don't see how the BBC can be a more reliable source, than the publications of a historian like Tacitus, who lived during that time. I hope you have a good explanation to maintain that position. I wait your answer. Best regards BryceHarper34 (talk) 20:12, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Hi, please read this and this. Tacitus is what we call a primary source, while Wikipedia goes with what reliable secondary sources state. Also, please note that age matters, as said in the first link i posted above. Happy editing.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 20:21, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

I was going to say that and add that a source written around 98CE isn't going to work as a source for an overview of the demographics of Londinium. Doug Weller talk 20:31, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

I see that you are falling into a clear fallacy here. Because this is not a scientific or medical postulate. It's not a theory either. On the other hand, the information provided by the BBC is really a theory, therefore, it should not be taken as an absolute truth and as a reliable source. On the other hand, Agricola by tacitus, is a text written by someone who lived it in the first person. And for that reason it should not be taken as a "primary source", because Tacitus didn't theorize, he simply wrote what he saw. And for this particular reason, I consider that this is a more accurate source than a theory, such as is the information from the BBC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BryceHarper34 (talk • contribs) 23:29, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

With all due respect, have you read the links provided above ? If you have not, please read 'em and refrain from aggressive behaviour like "I see that you are falling into a clear fallacy here" when you disagree with other editors. Also, Doug's remark about a 2000 years old writer sounds quite legit.---Wikaviani ^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:35, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Yes, I read the links, and that is why I find the use of the information obtained by the BBC inadequate. Since it is a theory. Second, please avoid falling into a misunderstanding of the words, since I find no insult or aggression in the term "fallacy". Finally, I believe that if no information provided meets the requirements, it would be best to remove the information from the demographic section in the meantime, until a more viable source is obtained. And also, are you trying to tell me that the information obtained from a writer who lived during that time, is not a reliable source? But the information published by a television channel is a more reliable source? this makes no sense BryceHarper34 (talk) 01:23, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Londinium

Doug - mess here. I've corrected Leslie to Lacey, but the book title & link go different places. I imagine The Origin of Roman London, which I'd just put in FR, is correct. Johnbod (talk) 21:50, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

@Johnbod: thanks for sorting that. I'm not sure what happened there. Doug Weller talk 20:13, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

/Richard Santorum/ Discretionary Sanctions/

I don't understand how the following paragraph is an accordance with Wikipeda's policy of a Neutral point of view in regards to Richard Santorum :

"Santorum's anti-LGBT history has brought intense criticism from LGBT rights advocates and supporters. Human Rights Campaign, a leading LGBT rights organization in the United States, published a report during Santorum's presidential campaign that vehemently berated him for his comments and statements that were interpreted as homophobic.[226] During an event Santorum held in 2012 in Illinois, two men were escorted out of Santorum's rally after they publicly kissed each other to mock Santorum for his anti-LGBT views; the crowd booed the men before their exit.[227] After Donald Trump won the 2016 election, Cornell University invited Santorum to speak in November of that year; his appearance was met with fervent protests by several students who censured him as a fascist and a bigot.[228]"

I removed this paragraph for the sake of objectivity and somehow discretionary sanctions are being imposed against me, is there any political page (besides Santorum) which states nebulous "protesters" censured previous or current political candidates on the basis of being facists and bigots? This is almost a Trumpian critique with bad sources and poor faith ("people say it's the best, the greatest!"). There's been plenty of "protesters" who have called Obama a "Socialist" or "Kenyan-born usurper" are their opinions to be highlighted too? As a matter of fact Obama had the exact same position as Santorum during the time in which he was most politically active (2012), there's no reference anywhere to Obama's anti-LGBT history. As a matter of fact the section under Santorum is replete with the words, Anti-LGBT, as if that framing where neutral, that's about as vague as saying a president is Anti-War or Pro-Peace,. Any article would seem infantile if this treatment was done to another candidate, imagine an article stating, because of Obama's Anti-peace stance he was in support of bombing Yemen and Afghanistan? I don't think it would go over as neutral, much less accurate. If a specific criticism is leveled by an individual and is properly source, that is fair game but a six paragraph review on Santorum's LGBT views seems excessive, especially while all his other positions only get one sentence treatment, or two sentences at best. This was a two term Senator from a very big state, a runner up in a national Republican primary, the article should at least attempt to be neutral, least we retroactively brand all political entities Anti-Black and Anti-LGBTQQIAAP for being victims of their times. Best regards, Exadajdjadjajdsz (talk) 09:27, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

@Exadajdjadjajdsz: I'm not getting involved in this content dispute - this belongs on the article talk page. Doug Weller talk 18:01, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Why do I have discretionary sanctions then? Someone must have arbitrated that. Exadajdjadjajdsz (talk) 20:19, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

I addressed my dispute on the talk page, yet another user deleted it, can I be involved in an "edit war" regarding a talk page and not the actual content itself? Exadajdjadjajdsz (talk) 20:37, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Jesus

Tap on the shoulder, forgot to sign your post here. Britmax (talk) 17:46, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Misrepresentation of the tweet

Mr Weller, as you're so quick to advise I am wrong about Mr Ellison because I don't have four, independent, and seperate sources for the claim: I suggest you look to KEITH ELLISON VERIFIED DIRECT TWITTER ACCOUNT on January 3rd of 2018 and see for yourself in his own words and photographic evidence of his own self portrait. Perhaps before you threaten people or censor them, you should look outside your own echo chamber bubble. PatrioticMiguel (talk) 18:42, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

The tweet you're apparently referring to shows Ellison holding a book. Not sure if serious. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 18:49, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

He held a book. He didn't say he supported Antifa. According to the notoriously left-wing Fox News, "In a post on Twitter, Ellison said that he found the book "Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook" at a Minneapolis book shop and said it would "strike fear in the heart of @realDonaldTrump."[1] @PatrioticMiguel: either you haven't actually seen the tweet or you are misrepresenting it. It's shown on the Fox News link. This is also interesting. Doug Weller talk 19:39, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #340

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

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81.191.69.71

81.191.69.71 (talk · contribs · WHOIS)

Could you look at this IPs edits again? They've been disruptive again immediately after your previous block on them was lifted. Thanks. 134.196.241.184 (talk) 17:39, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Done. Doug Weller talk 17:57, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

Udita Goswami

Sir, I've re-added the reliable source which got deleted here. I've added info based on that without mentioning the names and precise DoB of her kids. Only the year of birth has been mentioned. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 14:55, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

As per WP:DOB, Wikipedia includes full names and dates of birth that have been widely published by reliable sources, or by sources linked to the subject such that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public.

My question is since The Times of India is considered a reliable source, will it be wrong to include the subject's full birth date as supported by this reference? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:26, 28 November 2018 (UTC)

St Illtyd stones

Thank you for trying to protect Wikipedia, I see from your page that you have deleted many entries that also had proof.

I am amused by your phrase "trying to translate the Latin". Anyone with even a reasonable grasp of Latin can see that the phrase "(I)N NOMINE D(E)I PATRIS ET (S)PERETUS SANTDI" references only two of the Holy Trinity, where is "ET FILIUS" for The Son? This is a point made during by the tour guide of St Illtyds.

Your edits seem to prevent the spread of knowledge via Wikipedia and I ask you to reconsider insisting on an erroneous translation.