Talk:Allah

Claims about YHWH

I removed "By this time [1934] Christians were also becoming accustomed to retaining the Hebrew term "YHWH" untranslated (it was previously translated as 'the Lord')." The articles Sacred Name Bibles, Sacred Name Movement and Angelo Traina document that the date for this is decades later. — Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

How old is this comment? --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 17:51, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Allah is the proper noun of islamic god

Since unscrupulous users censor and erase my comments, I decided to open this new section.

Allah is the proper name of the One True God.

Allah is the proper or personal name (ism dhat) of the divine being.

genitive proper noun → Allah

according to Islam, Allah is God’s proper name

The name of Allah is a proper name. It cannot be used for any other person even in a metaphorical way. This name is peculiar to Allah and only refers to Him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ‎2a01:e35:3989:c080:4115:e507:74cb:4fee (talk)

That only proves that Muslims believe that Allah refers to the deity they worship, it doesn't do anything about any of the sources present in this article that attest that Christians used the term before Muhammad was even born. Now go read WP:AGF and WP:NOTSOAPBOX until your eyes bleed. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:12, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Your assertion "that Christians used the term before Muhammad was even born." is a lie since there is no pre-islamic Arabic bible to prove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:3989:C080:4115:E507:74CB:4FEE (talk) 22:21, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Read the article please. Allah#Usage --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:26, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

The Name ‘Allah’ was not used by pre-Islamic Arab Christians, the alleged two cases are false. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:3989:C080:4115:E507:74CB:4FEE (talk) 22:35, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Now get that treatise published in a respected peer-reviewed academic journal instead of being hosted on an obscure church website. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:45, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

You can also get me a link where you can clearly see these so-called pre-Islamic Christian texts about Allah. Do you have a single one ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2a01:e35:3989:c080:4115:e507:74cb:4fee (talk • contribs)

There are citations in the article already. Just because you can't be bothered to verify them isn't our problem. Ian.thomson (talk) 23:01, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

By the way the simple fact that pre-islamic polytheists used the name Allah to design their chief god proves that Allah is a proper noun. How polytheists would differentiate their gods without any unique identifier (the proper noun) ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:3989:C080:4115:E507:74CB:4FEE (talk) 22:42, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Early Semitic paganism believed in a chief creator deity named *Ilu-, which the Hebrews were sure was Yahweh (otherwise they wouldn't derivative forms of *Ilu- as titles for Yahweh). Elohim and Allah both derive from *Ilu-. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)That would only make sense if one can only be Christian if they have a Bible in their own language (no matter how much faith they have). That was not the case for the overwhelming majority of Christians between 500 and 1500. It also ignores other archaeological evidence, and requires a ridiculous standard as we barely have any pre-Islamic Bibles. The only complete works known are the Greek Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus (which wasn't known until the 19th century) and arguably the Hebrew Dead Sea Scrolls (as they predate Christianity). Outside of that, we only have a few dozen scattered fragments -- and by and large from areas where Christianity wasn't as overshadowed by Islam as it was in Arabia. The idea that the Bible must be translated into the local language only appears during the Protestant Reformation at any rate. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Let us escape from the flooding made for conceal the facts.

^{Pirate and possibly malware link removed} The only two known cases of Christian pre-Islamic Arabic inscription do not quote the name of Allah but the name "barrazahu" (B-R-Z-H)]— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:3989:C080:4115:E507:74CB:4FEE (talk • contribs)

1) My security software doesn't trust that site. You should get your computer scanned.

2) That link appears to be piracy, which violates WP:COPYVIOEL.

Ian.thomson (talk) 23:58, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

I am a software engineer, change your security software which you do not give the name.

It's a secure document site, its content contradicts you, that's why you censor it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:3989:C080:4115:E507:74CB:4FEE (talk • contribs)

I really don't care what you claim to be.

There's this thing called copyright, which your link violated. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:53, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I looked it over. If the anon had been bothered to read the paper, it would have been obvious that the interpretation described therein doesn't mention any deity at all. The word barrazahu is described as a demonstrative pronoun (in English, "this"), also found in the Quran, referring to the inscription itself, as the related word Barraza means "put forth, produce" as in writing something.

Therefore, that paper is irrelevant to the discussion here. ~Anachronist (talk) 00:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Blah blah blah, why do not you let readers check?

Therefore you've just done as usual: censor everything that contradicts you despite reliable sources— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:3989:C080:4115:E507:74CB:4FEE (talk • contribs)

If you're going to keep making accusations and not going to bother trying to assume good faith, then your continued presence is a waste of everyone's time and bandwidth. You've demonstrated no interest in fixing your ignorance of how things work. Range blocked. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:53, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Anonymous: I am a reader, and I have checked your source. Nobody is censoring anything. Your source doesn't corroborate what you claim, therefore it is irrelevant. It's that simple. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2018

ADD: The general term for a god in arabic is “ilaah”. This Arabic word is a common noun, and can either refer to any supposed god, or may also refer to the unique One. This is universally accepted among all Arabic-speaking peoples. The Name universally accepted among Muslims that refers to the deity of Islam is “Allah”. Allah "is a proper name". Also, Abdul Mannan Omar, the editor of the Encyclopedia of Islam, and translator of the Qur'an into English, says directly that Allah "is not a common noun" and, similarly declares it to be a "proper name" (The Dictionary of the Holy Qur'an p.28, 29). Over the centuries the continual and prevalent use of that name however, has made its use synonymous with the noun ‘god’.

ADD: There is on-going debate on the derivation of the word 'allah' from 2 other words 'the' and 'god' forming the Arabic 'al' and 'ilaah' and which some muslims further abridge into the word 'allah'. The calligraphic writings of both 'allah' and 'al-ilaah' do not show a clear connection between them, making the linguistic contraction of 'al-ilaah' into 'allah' difficult. Priplanning (talk) 09:20, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

 Not done You need to cite more professionally-published mainstream academic sources to support your claims There are a number of works by the name "Dictionary of the Holy Qur'an," you would need to specify which author and publisher you meant. Ian.thomson (talk) 16:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I have to say I rather like the text proposed, although it needs some tightening up and actual citations that we can verify. Also the proposer should say exactly where this text is supposed to go. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

It depends on who is Abdul Mannan Omar. They don't appear to have worked on Encyclopaedia of Islam. --Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:17, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 July 2018

no need for all caps 89.197.161.18 (talk) 10:31, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 10:59, 6 July 2018 (UTC)

Reference request

I translated parts of this article to Farsi and noticed that section In other scripts and languages doesn't have any references. Can someone give some ideas about where I can find references for this section? Taha (talk) 06:33, 29 November 2018 (UTC)