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What "continuing story elements"?

@Maineartists: Please explain what you mean when you say the show has "continuing story elements"?

For the record, WP:NCTV says this about "non-series" television shows: Each episode of an on-going show usually is self-contained with little connection to other episodes, other than title, format, hosts, and other on-air personalities. These shows generally lack on-going narrative or story elements.

I've been under the impression is that each episode of this show is a contained story where Ramsey comes in and "fixes a restaurant". The next episode is then Ramsey at a new and different restaurant. Is this not correct? --IJBall (contribs • talk) 21:49, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, gain consensus here and then change these too: Ramsay's Hotel Hell, Hell's Kitchen, MasterChef (U.S. TV series) etc and change section titles such as "series host" for fellow chef: Anthony Bourdain [1]. I think you are mistaking the definition of "story" when it comes to these TV series. Maineartists (talk) 22:02, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- That's an WP:OSE argument – the fact that the language used at other articles is incorrect doesn't justify keeping this article's incorrect. But, I'm asking again – is each episode of this TV show "self-contained": yes or no? If the answer is "yes", then the words "TV series" should be avoided here, and the words "TV program" should be used instead. This is all from WP:NCTV, not me. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:47, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, to clarify, shows like MasterChef (U.S. TV series) or American Idol or The Voice (U.S. TV series), and other reality competition shows in that vein, do have "continuing elements" (e.g. continuing competition elements, and contestants who carry on from episode to episode), and so are true "TV series" under WP:NCTV. But it looks to me like this, Hotel Hell, Hell's Kitchen, are properly described as "TV programs", not "TV series". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 22:51, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm not going to get into semantics. I merely contested your edits on a long standing entry that I felt did not warrant an edit. Let others weigh in. Gain consensus here and you can rv as you see fit. Plain and simple. Maineartists (talk) 01:03, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - Throwing my hat into the ring: I agree with IJBall with regards to the definitions as outlined in WP:NCTV and that Kitchen Nightmares and Hotel Hell would fall under Program and not Series - unlike Hell's Kitchen which features the same cast, albeit being whittled down, for an entire season at a time, which would fall under the Series heading. However I would like to open up the discussion of why there needs to be distinction of this nature regarding television shows. In common parlance series and program/me are freely interchanged when talking about whatever we've been viewing; indeed some definitions of series are as follows - 'a set or sequence of related television or radio programmes.' (Google search), 'a set of regularly presented television programs each of which is complete in itself.' Merriam-Webster[[2]] and 'A set or sequence of related television or radio programmes. Oxford Dictionaries[[3]]. So if someone can provide a clear reason for needing the distinction and why Wikipedia doesn't follow the dictionary definition's model, I'm all ears. 77.44.46.232 (talk) 14:21, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Criminal offences ==
-In Ramsey's native England, if the state and practices of the restaurants he advised on were as shown on these TV programmes, these restaurant operators would have been prosecuted for serious breeches of food hygiene laws by the UK's Environmental Health Officers. The offences are in the UK criminal offences, probably known as felonies in the USA. Does the USA have the equivalent of UK's food hygiene laws? How could these American restaurants be allowed to open to the public, because in the UK they would have been closed down by the government? And has anybody felt they wanted to puke after seeing these TV programmes because they ate at these restaurants prior to Ramsey's involvement, and that their health and safety had been compromised when eating at these places. Is the advice not to eat at American restaurants because it would appear the US government does not involve themselves in inspecting their eating places? If the US does have food safety laws and inspectors, then are Ramsey's programmes actually for real? [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C5:C10B:A300:3D28:F6A9:7B2E:B5C5|2A00:23C5:C10B:A300:3D28:F6A9:7B2E:B5C5]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C5:C10B:A300:3D28:F6A9:7B2E:B5C5|talk]]) 18:13, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
-: First of all, this isn't a discussion board, but a place to improve the article.  Second of all, the jurisdictional structure of the U.S. is far more complex and these matters are left to smaller units of government (states and counties).  A matter of this size won't make anything beyond very local news.  That doesn't mean something isn't being done.  Lastly, I don't recall seeing any of the U.K. restaurant owners being prosecuted.  --<span style="font-variant:small-caps; text-shadow:blue 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em">--<font color="blue">Dr.</font><font color="red">Margi</font></span> [[User talk:Drmargi#top|<big>✉</big>]] 18:24, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
-::I have to second that IP user. I think it would be, in fact, an improvement to the text if it is stated whether it is real or fake. One hint could be what he or she stated. But, however, it is not the task of wikipedia to find theories about that. So, if there are some reliable sources which I don't know I think it is reasonable to add such a section to the text. --[[User:Kontemarlos|Kontemarlos]] ([[User talk:Kontemarlos|talk]]) 22:47, 1 April 2018 (UTC)::
-In one, Ramsay picked up a rotting dead rat with his bare fingers. Then he went on to cook with bare hands. God, I am not going to eat any food that man prepared, not even if he paid me!!! Is this show on parr with other US shows like Judge Judy or Jerry Springer? Or is it just that US eating places are disgusting. [[Special:Contributions/109.156.178.223|109.156.178.223]] ([[User talk:109.156.178.223|talk]]) 02:08, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
-::http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6074689/New-Orleans-restaurant-sues-Gordon-Ramsay-Kitchen-Nightmares.html  [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C5:C10B:A300:5168:6C55:63C:6BD|2A00:23C5:C10B:A300:5168:6C55:63C:6BD]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C5:C10B:A300:5168:6C55:63C:6BD|talk]]) 01:11, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
-:I'm pretty sure he would've washed his hands in between touching the rat and cooking the food - you can only fit so much in a 45 minute program and it's well known that there is lot that ends up being cut for time.[[Special:Contributions/77.44.46.232|77.44.46.232]] ([[User talk:77.44.46.232|talk]]) 10:40, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 == What "continuing story elements"? ==