Talk:Jackie Mason

Carol Joseph

Did Jackie really date carole?

Anti-French sentiment

From YouTube: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZygecG1Onw Worthy addition?

Mason on Islam

Why so many "quotes" on his feelings toward Islam? Whilst they are genuine, his political opinions hardly seem to be his most quotable quotes. The guy's a stand up comic. Politics is a side-hobby and I would have thought some humor was more appropriate than what appears to be fuel for argument.

>His views of Islam and Muslims are not his "political" views, but his views of a minority group. I think it's important for us to have an understanding of his opinions, so whoever deleted that section, put it back.

Islam as murderous religion? The Jews killed so people (and used terrorisim) to create Israel. Islam is no more muderous than Judiamim. What Mason has basically said it's it ok for violence aginst Islam as long as there's nothing bad said about Judiasim. What a f**king hypocrite.

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Islam is no more muderous [sic] than Judiamim[sic]

One would have to be a moron to have formed this view. The basic illiteracy of the above comment's author leaves little doubt as to this being the reason.

> Yeah. A spelling error discredits his entire opinion, does it? Jews murdered and displaced native Palestinians and other Arabic populations to create Israel... this is fact. Their justification being that it's God's will for "his people" to have their homeland in Palestine, besides which are the many instances where Jewish beliefs state Jews are above gentiles.

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Someone REALLY needs to fill this Talk: space out, you know? Come on!

Question: How to link to part about Rabbi Hyman Krustofski to the profile of Rabbi Krustofski on the list of recurring Simpsons characters

Rephrase that, would you? I'm a Simpson's wonk, and I'd be glad to help on that, but I'm a little unclear on Wiki terminology and practice. BarrettBrown 03:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Aliens created Israel out of the sky with lasers...this is fact. There, now that I said something bizarre, unhinged, and offensive, I'm cured by just baldly claiming it's a fact. This works in S5. 69.253.219.207 (talk) 14:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Mason on Fox

Not sure if this should be linked in the entry or not (external links?), but he was interviewed on Fox recently regarding this whole drunken Mel Gibson fiasco. It's quite humorous, as expected (and spot on, IMO): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gct84oE5DEE gRegor 15:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

The full contextual quote from the transcripts

OLBERMANN: Do you worry (INAUDIBLE), do you worry, lastly, though, about this as a perhaps if not an intentional expression, but some sort of microcosm of anti-Semitism in this country (INAUDIBLE)...

MASON: (INAUDIBLE), first, he don‘t believes there‘s much anti-Semitism (INAUDIBLE). Gentiles in this country, disagreed with Jews, dislike Jews, envied Jews, hated Jews, this is 50 years ago. But today, this is democratic country. There‘s very few people who dislike blacks, even though blacks keep claiming it‘s a racist society. It‘s a power trip to claim it‘s a racist society. This way, you don‘t have to compete successfully, when you can convince yourself that everybody‘s a racist, then you have no chance.

I love when Oprah Winfrey says, We live in a racist society. She‘s standing there with $40 billion. You got a dollar and a quarter. And she‘s hollering what a racist society is. She‘s a sick yenta.

This is entirely different from what is presented in the article. He is making a point that minority groups and individuals, jews (a la Gibson) and Blacks claim that racism is holding them down to excuse their own shortcomings. Calling someone a "sick yenta" is standard Mason fayre, and is a very mild insult.

This is not racism in any way, indeed the only news service (to use a broad definition) to even mantion it was a non-notable black issue online magazine called EURWeb [1]. They did not in any way suggest that his comments were racist. A society gossip columnist in the NYPost reported the comments [2] jokingly noting how bold they were and again not making any comment about racism. Indeed, going though the 20 or so mentions of "sick yenta" that come up on google not even a single blogger claims these comments are racist. T he only place that is suggested is in our article.

This is clearly someones POV. It cant stay in a wikipedia article. The whole incident recieved near zero media coverage - one gossip column and a non-notable website. juicifer 11:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually I wouldnt say that first one was out of context, it was an example he used. I think rather than racism it is his disgruntlement at being constnatly regarded as racist, I agree it is in the wrong section of the article. Any ideas where else it could go? --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk)(Review me) 11:42, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

okay, maybe the oprah comment was taken out of context (although it's not really that important of a point). that's probably a fair point. but, the other statement is extremely racist. i can't believe that it was not picked up by more media outlets. there have been much less offensive statments that have resulted in people getting fired. i also can't believe that no one called olbermann on not responding.

Dude, I'm sorry that you are upset that it wasn't picked up by more media outlets. But this isn't somewhere where you can try to right that wrong (as you perceive it.) It wasn't picked up by any (notable) media outlets, and was discussed neutrally in a gossip column. The non-notable outlet that did discuss the issue did not (read the article again) suggest racism. Here is the article to save you time:

OPRAH CALLED A ‘SICK YENTA’: Old school comic Jackie Mason irritated by her cries of racism; plus, TV mogul to headline Bennett College fundraiser. *While news broke of yet another philanthropic endeavor involving Oprah Winfrey, comedian Jackie Mason was busy on MSNBC condemning the television mogul for stating in previous comments that racism still exists in America. Appearing Tuesday on the show “Countdown with Keith Olbermann,” Mason was asked to comment on Mel Gibson and his drunken, anti-Semitic rant during a traffic stop in Malibu. When asked about the current level of bigotry and racism against Jews, the Jewish comic responded: "Please, there's very little bigotry against Jews in this country anymore, or racism against blacks. Oprah Winfrey stands up and says, 'This is a racist society.' She's got billions. You got a dollar and a quarter, but it's a racist society. She's a sick yenta." (Yenta: Yiddish for a gossiping busybody in everybody’s business.) Mason also said he accepted Gibson’s second apology for the incident, which addressed anti-Semitism in particular. Meanwhile, Oprah and her “billions” will head to Greensboro, North Carolina this fall to headline a benefit gala for Bennett College in support of its "Revitalizing Bennett Campaign," Bennett President Johnnetta B. Cole announced this week. The gala is to take place on Friday, Oct. 20, at 7 p.m. at the Grandover Resort and Conference Center in Greensboro. The campaign has raised more than $30 million to support student scholarships, faculty recruitment and development and other projects, the college noted. Winfrey’s friend, Maya Angelou, is an honorary co-chair of the campaign. Tickets are $250, $500 and $1,000, and will go on sale Monday from 9 a.m. to noon in the Institutional Advancement Office on Bennett's campus.

I can't even find a blogger who suggests that this is racist, not that that would help. Putting the incident on the page under the title "Allegations of racism" when we in fact the only outlet to allege this and can't quote anyone who has done so, exposes wikipedia (and yourself) to libel litigation in the US and the UK. I am going to remove it urgently. Please do not put it back until you can source someone notable making this allegation.

Also IMHO this really isn't racist. He says "there is no racism in the US" oprah says "there is", he says she is a "sick yenta" for saying that and that "jews and blacks claim racism exists to make themselves feel better about beinf failures in life". What about that is racist? juicifer 23:30, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

ok points accepted, not going to argue :D - but please dont use bold so often (my eyes) italics is more accepeted. Also please do not cite Legal reasons as cotnetn removal - that is not really allowed by policy and is wording pretty much reserved for foundation officials only (ie the legal reps). --Errant Tmorton166^(Talk)(Review me) 00:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

TM, unless you are citing a policy i've missed (please provide lk in that case), you've missed the point. You argument sounds like a misunderstanding of WP:NLT, which is aimed at users who threaten to sue other users. You have not even suggested, let alone given reason to believe, that juicifer is Mason (the only person who could claim to have been libeled by the disputed language) making a veiled that he will sue you, and without that, nLT is irrelevant to this matter.
--Jerzy•t 05:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Venue of the '60s suit

I removed

in the New York State Supreme Court

• If it went to the highest court in the state, that is called the New York State Court of Appeals, and the language is inaccurate.
• If it was decided in a New York State Supreme Court, then it was decided in a county-level court of first instance, and the language is misleading without further explanation.

Getting the facts straight (verification previously sought via {{fact}} tag) is a prerequisite for deciding how to state it, and whether that detail adds to the article or not.
--Jerzy•t 05:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

2009 motion picture

Anybody want to change the link within the first topic about One Angry Man to actually link to the motion film, and not a Ghost in the Shell episode? I couldn't even find a page that has the film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TedKennedyX (talk • contribs) 02:44, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

The offensiveness of the term "schvartze"

Jackie Mason claimed that the term "schravse" only means "black" and has no deragatory connotations.

Those of you unfamiliar with the term should observe this little clip of an anti-black Jew giving a speech at a racist conference:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbkC1LN7xy8 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Runeba (talk • contribs) 06:39, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was just wondering about that - I clicked on the link of the term to wiktionary, and the definition there says it's yiddish for "Black" and for "Black man" - no further notes on the wiktionary entry to whether that's as value free as that sounds - like "black" is nowadays the pc term for a black person. -PaulHammond (talk) 15:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

• Actually, in tapes of his stand-up he doesn't even bother with that word and regularly uses the 'N' word. Only in very public platforms does he appear to hide his pretenses and advocacies. I have heard the tapes and there is no ambiguity about his clear racism in them, but unless we have some means of citing that through what is kept on the public highway, that will remain undisclosed. {"I could have sworn I heard him say ----... No dear, not officially..."}. Unfortunately, there is an official (public) truth, and then there is reality, or the real truth. Stevenmitchell (talk) 03:44, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Mason's correct birth year is 1928

Wikipedia has recently partnered with the Astrodatabank,the most reliable and reputable source there is for accurate birth data. Lois Rodden (1928-2003) founded the Astrodatabank and created the Rodden rating system to determine accuracy.

In Mason's case,his original birth certificate was obtained. It states that he was born on June 9, 1928.

All of us who input birth dates to Wikipedia should refer to the Astrodatabak at this url: [3] Be sure to read 'source notes' to learn how the data was obtained. Here's the link to the entry for Jackie Mason: [4]

Astrodatabank uses wiki software from Wikimedia. That does in no way certify anything published on that website, nor does it mean anything on the site is valid. Only reliable 3rd party sources may be used and there is nothing provided on the site that indicates sourcing. It is a wiki, it can be edited by anyone who belongs to the site. That makes it a tertiary source which is not acceptable for use as a source. Please don't imply validation because of the use of licensed software. Wildhartlivie (talk) 02:36, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

While the astrodatabank uses Wiki software, I believe that in order to be eligible to edit, registration must take place and the new owner of the Astrodatabank, Alois Treindl, has implemented certain requirements to insure that reputable and responsible data collectors maintain the integrity of the site and the database, which has been stellar up until this point. Furthermore, my father went to school with Mason, who was six months OLDER than my father (born December 1928). Starfish1014 (talk) 14:10, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Nevertheless, it is possible to be user-edited, even if approval from the site operator is necessary. That is not the same as third party, reliably sourced, published sources. Please read WP:RS. I do not doubt that perhaps your father did go to school with Jackie Mason, however, personal recollection is not a reliable source either. There are a lot of people who went to school with someone, but that doesn't meet WP:RS. It's a fine, sticky, but clear line. Wildhartlivie (talk) 16:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

What can I say- it is regrettable that there is such rigidity to remain with inaccuracies here and with many other entrees. Astrologers are sticklers for accurate birth information, and push themselves well beyond that of the average person to obtain it. One would hope that Wikipedia and contributors such as yourself might be open and even grateful for our willingness to devote our time and expertise in an effort to the 'up the ante' of credibility of Wiki data. Perhaps going forward that will change. As far as my father goes, They were both children at the same time in the SAME grade (with a 6 month difference). Starfish1014 (talk) 18:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

As someone who was watched the birth year change in this article many times, I can say that it would be nice to have a good citation from a reliable source. However, I have to agree that, despite whatever level of professionalism exists among astrologers, we can't change what Wikipedia is without community consent. We have always been about reliable sources, and that's not likely to change any time soon.

Having said that, if his birth certificate is available, it is possible - not definite - that it could be considered as a source here. Also, perhaps census records for 1930 have been transcribed from Wisconsin?  Frank  |  talk  18:54, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Pat T. (the administrator for the astrodatabank) HAS Mason's (Mazur's) original birth certificate on file. That's what I've been trying to tell you. We are on the same team- this new development- the inclusion of the Astrodatabank) is a blessing to Wikipedia. In the spirit of accuracy, I am willing to make the connection between you and the person in charge at Astrodatabank so that you can better understand and appreciate what has gone into this 30+ year endeavor. FYI: On the Wikipedia page (at bottom) about the Astrodatabank- there is clarification about who can and cannot edit. Here it is verbatim:

Currently the Astro-Databank wiki is a read-only wiki. The update and maintenance of the database is still done outside the wiki, with the original Astrodatabank software and the continued help of the data editor Pat Tagliatelo.

Because this is a complex database and not just a text-based wiki like Wikipedia, the regular Mediawiki software is not sufficient for editing or entering the data. Alois Treindl and his team are working on special Mediawiki extension software, which will allow editing the database content directly via the wiki web interface. This development will take a few months. When the online editing tools are ready, Astrodienst will begin to form a community of reliable and qualified database editors, who collect and verify birth information, write biographies, and new data to the database and maintain the existing content. Starfish1014 (talk) 19:37, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

What we need is a reliable source. Whether or not a copy of a birth certificate held by a third party would qualify is not for me to comment on; the appropriate place to start is probably Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard.  Frank  |  talk  20:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

There are specific policies governing sourcing. WP:RS covers that. It doesn't much matter if someone has a copy of a birth certificate in their hands, there is also policy concerning verifiability. Unless the source data can be confirmed, it isn't verifiable. This is why sourcing needs to be to reliable sources. That is defined as credible published materials with a reliable publication process. I'm sure no one doesn't appreciate that there is a venture that has worked on such things for years, but there is no need to understand the particulars of that to say that the website would not be considered a reliable source. It is still a tertiary source. I agree with Frank, please feel free to take the question to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard, but you will in all likelihood get the same answer. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:46, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Whatever - Good Luck to you both, and may Wiki's shameful accuracy problem (and the closed-minded bureaucracy that keeps it as is) work itself out in whatever way the Gods deem necessary. It's not for lack of trying :-) Peace. Starfish1014 (talk) 21:03, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

I am pretty sure this is the first time I've seen Wikipedia accused of having an "accuracy problem" because its policies are too strict. I think it's worth pointing out that Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth. Reading that link should give an idea of how the "closed-minded bureaucracy" works, at least regarding verifiability.  Frank  |  talk  21:12, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Birth year has been changed again (1928 was also referenced by recent media reports upon his being booked by NYPolice) and it has been changed to 1936 by [outing redacted -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:26, 10 June 2012 (UTC)]) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShShSheba (talk • contribs) 12:30, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

After a round of hectic changes, reverts and more changes, we now have a semi-protected article and a date of June 9, 1931. So Happy Birthday for yesterday to Mr Mason, however old he is. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:23, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Blacklisting.

Wasn't Jackie Mason Blacklisted by Hollywood in the 1950's or 1960's, causing him to loose alot of mainline work for the longest time. On scanning the article, offhand, I see no references on this story, that I heard in the 1980's, about Jackie Mason. I looked in the discussion section too, and no mention, of this black mark on Hollywood's act during those days of common blacklisting. What is he, chopped liver, to not get the whole story right, by the historians, already? LoneRubberDragon (talk) 18:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

LoneRubberDragon - SET LoneRubberDragon (talk) 18:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Mason was ever blacklisted. However, his career took a noticeable downturn in the 60's after an incident in which he appeared to make an obscene gesture on Ed Sullivan's show. Sullivan never invited him back, and he was rarely seen for much of the next 20 year. --69.77.183.2 (talk) 17:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Over-weighted controversies

Half this article seems to be about controversial things he said. The guy is has been a comedian since 1961 and that’s all anyone has to say about him? I’m not defending anything he has said, but shouldn’t the article be about his career as a comedian, not the derivation of the word "schvartze"?

I’m not Jewish, and actually don’t like his comedy. But this article seems to have a political agenda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.18.99.150 (talk) 05:23, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Year of birth

Some doubt as to the year of Jackie Mason's birth? Some references give 1931. This entry gives 1936. Cany anyone please confirm which is correct? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.149.18.67 (talk) 01:16, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

1931 seems to be the most supported year. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:46, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Agreed that 1931 is the year of birth but user who referenced the NYPost article brings up a good point that 1928 could be valid since it is his age given by NY Police when he wa recently involved in a altercation and they gav his age based on his drivers license.

[Outing redacted -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 15:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)] — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShShSheba (talk • contribs) 12:12, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

There seems to be a problem with the NYPost article being behind a pay wall? Are any such NY Police records also available in the public domain? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:18, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I have no problem accessing this article: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/jackie_mason_gal_pal_arrested_after_Rv7UiOuDiVB4PQo8z8qx2H — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShShSheba (talk • contribs) 12:40, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Also, note section above about birth year being 1928 and birth certificate — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShShSheba (talk • contribs) 12:27, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, you're right, the cop's report in the NYP supports a birth year of 1928 or 1929. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:30, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

This sentence was also added by another editor: "He has 1 daughter, Sheba Mason, from a relationship with Ginger Reiter (never married)." Does anyone have any source for this claim? The recent bout of birth year "adjustments" has also included the removal of the name of this daughter. But although her name appears in the info box, her parentage she seems not to be supported by any ref in the text. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:10, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Additional information- NY Times article from 1961, with the headline '30 year old comic has a Dead-Pan, Staccato Style' http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=FB0616FA385D1B728DDDAC0A94D8415B818AF1D3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by JenDelany (talk • contribs) 14:22, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Well "30 year old" in a headline is a bit headline-ese, isn't it? Even when it's NYT? I suspect that, at that time, the newspaper would have used whatever age Mason's agent told them to use. But do you have access to the text of the whole article, or is that behind a pay-wall? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:26, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

May 2013. I seems an ip, who refuses to discuss here, has returned to haunt us - which is why the page is currently protected. Should further action be taken if these disruptive edits continue? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:55, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Mistake in "Early life"

It says: "At age 25, he received semikhah from Moshe Feinstein and was ordained a rabbi (as his three brothers, father, grandfather, and great-grandfather had been), in Latrobe, Pennsylvania.[3] Three years later he resigned to become a comedian." You can't resign from semikhah -- it's a degree. It's like saying someone got a PhD but later resigned. Being a rabbi is only a title unless you are a rabbi of a synagogue. If that's true, then that's worth a mention. Otherwise, this makes no sense.--Bobjohnson111980 (talk) 03:30, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Good point; thank you. The text only repeated what was in the preceding source. Fortunately another source tells what it is he resigned from; I edited the text accordingly and added the new citation. Hertz1888 (talk) 06:56, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

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Real year of birth

Mason was actually born in 1928, not 1931. (86.163.135.70 (talk) 11:12, 21 December 2018 (UTC))