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== Khan Shaykhun chemical attack == |
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Hi Dan, please can you provide evidence to support your reversion to "the position of the Syrian government changed on numerous occasions"? You have provided no RS to show that the Syrian government changed its position at all, let alone "on numerous occasions". You saying "its story about what happened did change" isn't evidence I'm afraid and does not justify the reversion. As far as I'm aware, their position was always that the chemical attack was fabricated. It is not necessary to believe their claims to report them accurately. The Russian military initially seemed to imply, but did not state, that a rebel cache of chemical weapons might have been hit, but that was based on their admission of a raid that took place between 11.30 and 12.30 and it was never, to my knowledge, a suggestion put forward by the Syrian government. Once it was accepted that the incident occurred before 7am, the Russians went with the Syrian story that the incident was a 'fabricated' attack or, as they put it, a 'provocation'. Here is the Syrian government's facebook page from 4 April 2017, the day of the attack.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/syrianmilitary/posts/1328845147196864</ref> It says, "Less than 48 hours of half of the enemies in the West announcing the "shift of priorities in Syria" the "rebels" come again to remind everyone how dirty our enemy is, using children and fabrications ... even in the worst days the Syrian military never used such weapons". Then, over a week later Assad again claimed the attack was "fabricated" in an interview. <ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6sA2tElFF4</ref>If you can provide RS for your claim that their view changed on numerous occasions, fine, but if not, your reversion cannot stand. I don't want to waste too much time on this, because this is a straightforward matter of fact, not interpretation. Either evidence exists that the Syrian government changed its mind over whether or not it was a fabrication or it doesn't. [[User:Kiwicherryblossom|Kiwicherryblossom]] ([[User talk:Kiwicherryblossom|talk]]) 09:36, 27 December 2018 (UTC) |
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March 2017
Hello, I'm Mattythewhite. I noticed that you made a change to an article, Neil Taylor (footballer), but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so! If you need guidance on referencing, please see the referencing for beginners tutorial, or if you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. Mattythewhite (talk) 14:00, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi there, I noticed that you've changed De Bock's club over to Leeds. I'm not going to change it back as it's "referenced", but note that the Yorkshire Post are the only ones that are reporting this (plus a couple of others quoting the YP). There has been no official announcement from the club. I'll leave it to you to decide whether you think the ref is adequate. Nzd (talk) 00:42, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
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Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Terrorist96 (talk) 14:55, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
I've closed this report with a warning to you. --NeilN talk to me 15:23, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
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You are suspected of sock puppetry, which means that someone suspects you of using multiple Wikipedia accounts for prohibited purposes. Please make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, then, if you wish to do so, respond to the evidence at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Dan the Plumber. Thank you. Terrorist96 (talk) 03:51, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Daraa offensive
I would ask that you cancel your edit here [1]. First, the source itself also refers to them as "government forces", and not just "forces loyal to Assad". Furthermore throughout all Syria-related battle articles the uniformed wording that we have been using to describe them for years is: government forces/troops/fighters, pro-government forces/troops/fighters, Syrian military, Syrian Army, etc. We have avoided using wording such as: Assad loyalists, regime forces/troops/fighters, pro-regime forces/troops/fighters, etc, since it was determined this wording is not really neutral and is rather subjective. Plus, the "Assad" government is still officially considered and recognized by most (including the UN) as the Syrian government. Hope this clears it up now. Second, your edit removed the date from the sentence and also canceled out the correct title of the source/report to an incorrect one. EkoGraf (talk) 23:52, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
Topic ban
For violating WP:1RR on Douma chemical attack and a general battleground attitude you are now subject to the following sanction for one week:
Topic banned from making any edits about the Syrian Civil War and the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, broadly construed. This includes talk pages.
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--NeilN talk to me 23:54, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
You need to start taking WP:1RR seriously. It doesn't matter how right you think your edits are, breaking this restriction is going to get you sanctioned as everyone has to follow the same restrictions. Also if you think Terrorist96's user name is against policy, bring it up at WP:RFCN. Otherwise, please drop the matter. --NeilN talk to me 00:05, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- My username has already been litigated [2] and I would prefer to avoid double jeopardy. Terrorist96 (talk) 00:26, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Terrorist96: Thanks for linking to that decision. Dan the Plumber, you'll have to accept the fact the community has decided to let this editor use this name. --NeilN talk to me 00:31, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
- Yeah thanks Terrorist, 'It's just a name. A combination of letters and numbers. Nothing more', - against such brilliant argumentation, what could be objected? And you say you have a 'sentimental attachment' to the name. Well, quite. Its the sort of name a person such as you seem to be, well, one can imagine you would be sentimentally attached to it. It is provocative of course, and should be prohibited, but what has self evident straightforwardness like saying that, to do with Wikipedia. Dan the Plumber (talk) 20:07, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
- @Terrorist96: Thanks for linking to that decision. Dan the Plumber, you'll have to accept the fact the community has decided to let this editor use this name. --NeilN talk to me 00:31, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
July 2018
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. NeilN talk to me 19:34, 8 July 2018 (UTC)Note your topic ban is reset to last one week after this block expires. --NeilN talk to me 19:40, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
- I was only doing my bit at trying to keep a few wikipedia articles on Syria from resembling Sputnik and RT. I hope you bloody well keep an eye on those articles and the way those pro regime twisters 'edit' in such a way that OPCW reports are 'selectively' read/misread and RS material is misquoted. They swarm all over them with their twisted narratives to push. I wouldn't mind if they respected sources but they don't. They misquote, excise, misrepresent, distort. They make articles on Syria unreadable if you aren't as brain dead and cynical as they are. Dan the Plumber (talk) 19:58, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
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. NeilN talk to me 20:42, 12 July 2018 (UTC)Your topic ban is reset to last two weeks after this block expires. If you violate it again, a lengthy block will ensue along with an indefinite topic ban. --NeilN talk to me 20:44, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks 'NeilN'. Dan the Plumber (talk) 21:11, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
- Ekograf - (you've been told this account is linked to an indef banned editor somewhere haven't you , so why settle for two weeks ban plus two weeks or whatever Neil has set up), I see you around on SCW related artiles - you, Terrorist96, (voted NOT a provocative username ( but of course)), Nishidani, Huldra, Funk Monk et al - all are vehemently pro- fascist, pro Assad regime, pro Iranian IRGC/ Hezbollah pro Putin accounts - you all edit these article in a way to slant them, - Nishidani /Huldra call anyone who doubts the words of the Assad regime 'wikipediots', all this - you edit in bad faith, you edit POV, you slag off other editors - all of this results in crap articles. And that accounts for you pursuing any editor you perceive as anti-fascist, anti Assad regime , until they are blocked and banned. the edits for which NEILN has blocked me are nothing - you 're right that report was from AP, so all that the other editor had to do was point that out and undo the edit. Instead an appeal to get another editor blocked. You are part of a 'side' on Wikipedia on SCW articles and your POV edits, part of that poisonous crowd Funk Monk, etc mean wikipedia articles you dominate are twisted, and worthless. almasdar? FFS. Dan the Plumber (talk) 21:25, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
@Neil N - I see ekograf complained about me writing 'fuck off' , - to an editor who was not offering friendly advice , but was harassing as should be evident -( thats in a fucking edit summary for my own talk page - fucking hell Ekograf, you really are a diligent policeman) if I tell you Nishidani/Huldra speak about fellow wikipedians ( who/m? they see as daring to question the veracity of everything Robert Fisk writes, or that the `Syrian regime says) Wikipediots - is that CIVIL. You admins don't seem to handle things well imo. you are played really by POV types who harass editors they don't like, taunt them, and goad them , until they snap, and then they report them. In their little cabals you'll find they are VERY UNCIVIL to fellow wikipedians. You should really ban me indefinitely because Ive surely used up all my ROPE with my terrible dastardly and utterly destructive edits to the entire edifice of WP. today. FFS. Dan the Plumber (talk) 21:38, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Dan the Plumber has violated his Syria topic ban once again within a day of being unblocked [3], with his first edit being the un-discussed removal of sourced material and its RS ref (Associated Press) that has been in place in an article for years, with the edit apparently being POV in nature. It was also an edit war action he already previously made before he was blocked the last time. He also made an edit on a second Syria-related article [4] as well. EkoGraf (talk) 20:04, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
- Blocked two weeks, topic ban reset. --NeilN talk to me 20:49, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you. EkoGraf (talk) 21:43, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you Ekograf. Your assiduity in seeing me blocked makes me feel important. Dan the Plumber (talk) 21:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
- If you had just waited a week for your topic ban to expire, you could have made any edits to any Syria related articles that you wanted to. Serafart (talk) (contributions) 22:24, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you Ekograf. Your assiduity in seeing me blocked makes me feel important. Dan the Plumber (talk) 21:47, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
- Thank you. EkoGraf (talk) 21:43, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you make personal attacks on other people, as you did at User talk:Dan the Plumber. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. Please do not personally attack other editors again, as you did to Ekograf, Terrorist96, NeilN and others on your talk page. Serafart (talk) (contributions) 22:28, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
Final chance
Your topic ban applies on this talk page as well. Post about this topic again and I'll block you for six months, revoke talk page access, and make the topic ban an indefinite one. --NeilN talk to me 12:56, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
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Khan Shaykhun chemical attack
Hi Dan, please can you provide evidence to support your reversion to "the position of the Syrian government changed on numerous occasions"? You have provided no RS to show that the Syrian government changed its position at all, let alone "on numerous occasions". You saying "its story about what happened did change" isn't evidence I'm afraid and does not justify the reversion. As far as I'm aware, their position was always that the chemical attack was fabricated. It is not necessary to believe their claims to report them accurately. The Russian military initially seemed to imply, but did not state, that a rebel cache of chemical weapons might have been hit, but that was based on their admission of a raid that took place between 11.30 and 12.30 and it was never, to my knowledge, a suggestion put forward by the Syrian government. Once it was accepted that the incident occurred before 7am, the Russians went with the Syrian story that the incident was a 'fabricated' attack or, as they put it, a 'provocation'. Here is the Syrian government's facebook page from 4 April 2017, the day of the attack.[1] It says, "Less than 48 hours of half of the enemies in the West announcing the "shift of priorities in Syria" the "rebels" come again to remind everyone how dirty our enemy is, using children and fabrications ... even in the worst days the Syrian military never used such weapons". Then, over a week later Assad again claimed the attack was "fabricated" in an interview. [2]If you can provide RS for your claim that their view changed on numerous occasions, fine, but if not, your reversion cannot stand. I don't want to waste too much time on this, because this is a straightforward matter of fact, not interpretation. Either evidence exists that the Syrian government changed its mind over whether or not it was a fabrication or it doesn't. Kiwicherryblossom (talk) 09:36, 27 December 2018 (UTC)