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SPI question

Hi, just a question about Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Zeshan Mahmood. The case was closed because the IP got blocked in the meantime, but I'm not sure I see whether the case can be taken to be confirmed. Can the IP's numerous creations be speedied per G5? – Uanfala (talk) 22:35, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Any thoughts at all? Do I need to ask the admin who closed the case instead? The IP has created a large number of draft articles and given that many appear nominally sourced, it's not unlikely that in six month's time they might get promoted to mainspace. If they can't be G5-ed, then I'll have to leave comments on all of them indicating they're likely to be hoaxes. – Uanfala (talk) 14:34, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

I really don't know. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:22, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

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Origin of the Romanians article

Hi Vanja,

please check the recent edits. I notify you in time, page protection would be recommended if I would be reverted, as well it would be a clear edit war from the other side. In the talk, restructuring written section, but [1] the case is clear, especially you may check it as one who interested in history. The page was protected already for one week recently when I had to make earlier a report because of edit warring, but I am afraid soon things may become disruptive on other's behalf (as such concerns you may read other sections in the talk page). Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 17:25, 23 November 2018 (UTC))

Thank You for attention to the article, what recently concerns me as I referred other issues, what's going on recently:

Here one editor [2] with a highly questionable argumentation in advance prolongs what he will purge/delete in one way content, immediately another editor told his diasgreement and objection [3], as well concerning that the way editing process does not work like so in Wikipedia. Other also expressed a concern [4]. Despite the user after the protection expired deleted it [5], that was reverted by another user accordingly [6], after I also expressed my disagreement about the removal in the talk page and reinforced that there was no consensus for it [7].

Despite, the same user made another revert [8] by accusing the other user of "provoking edit war" and referred to third opinons expressed in the NPOV noticeboard (a 60 km long discussion that did not lead to any unform consensus, though some suggestions were considered), but the same time forgetting that without community consensus such deleteions and unlateral changes can't be done in a one way, considering the user soemtimes misuse or don not understand properly wiki guidlelines...

Then again revert [9], again [10] (here the argumentation is again misleading and dubious, - why not to expand it's relevance to a theory, why even ignore?; my addition - and ask the user to "open" a discussion the talk, although it was already discussed - as I refererred above - that there is no consensus for removal...after another editor again made a revert [11], his argumentation is dubious in the edit log since the accusation of "he removal of RS content" how would stand if it includes the whole linguistic section? (despite the user may have referred to other contents, that was no really a consensus for other changes on those sections that are still under discussion the talk pages).

After the section was again restored a bit later [12] pointing out fairly "that (important section was removed without any proper discussion", again the same revert came from the tendentious user [13], with an amazing threat "of the user being reported for disruption???", after Fakirbakir fairly expressed that "No one agreed on these changes. No consensus, article is getting ruined" [14] but again the same user reverted it [15] with again a dubious argumentation.

Seeing this, I again reinforced that there was no consensus [16] and Fakirbakir did not do anything wrong, the answer [17] - the second part in both reflects this - I even do not worth to answer, since the same nonsense argumentation I've met....this seems a disruption, not understanding or misusing WP guidelines...If I count well, already the sixth time reverting and removing something without consensus or proper discussion, an entire section...it heavily concerns me, at this point I am afraid what will come next if such can just go freely...(KIENGIR (talk) 11:47, 24 November 2018 (UTC))

Again...[18], but as well other issues, recent edits in the page/talk you may see user deliberately do not want to understand a follow wiki rules, more editors are already concerned, please impose discretionary sanctions on the user, nothing helped so far, it's really unbearable...(KIENGIR (talk) 00:19, 26 November 2018 (UTC))

And again [[19]]...the 8th time...please tell me, how long and how far this can go? Why there is no intervention? Thank You(KIENGIR (talk) 11:31, 26 November 2018 (UTC))

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Hi Vanja, just for sure I indicate that I reset the map voted by the RFC, that Iovaniorgovan abused through one month recurrently and continued as well just before the admin intervention. Since it is again a complicated case with a long history, just for sure I indicate that here is the background [20] (former WP:AN3 complaint, I could gather a permament link when it became archieved), the rest of the discussion on the talk pages and the just archieved RFC discussion. His really foxy and disruptive attempts were awesome, hopefully it won't happen again, and because of the current situation in the page, I better link the evidence in advance. Thank You.(KIENGIR (talk) 08:04, 29 November 2018 (UTC))

Archival of discussion linked to noticeboards

Hello,

You recently reverted an archival done by an editor, on the grounds that the discussion archived was not inactive since it was linked to a noticeboard issue that is not yet closed. May I ask that you do it again?

It involves the same editor. He archived this discussion and this notice of a NPOV issue that are linked to this NPOV noticeboard issue. I did ask him to not archive the discussion.

In reply, he said I was vandalizing the page (for reverting his archival based on the argumentation above).

On another note, this user's Talk page is weird. Seems like his previous sections have gone missing, as it only shows one archive (2018/November) that doesn't contain some of the earlier sections - for example this (which can now be found only in his talk page's history). Is this normal? (to delete sections from the talk page?)Cealicuca (talk) 16:16, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

@Cealicuca: Yes, it is "normal" to remove comments from your own talk page (see WP:BLANKING). I de-archived the discussion because it was still active. On the other hand, the discussion you mention ( (Talk:Origin_of_the_Romanians/Archive_19#Restructuring_of_the_Written_sources_section) is not active, there have been no comments for more than 3 months (90 days is a standard period after which discussions are archived). So, I don't see any reason to de-archive. Vanjagenije (talk) 16:50, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Abdullah.Mhairat

As part of my tidy up following the conclusion of the SPI and the deletion of his article... well, can I just point you at a bunch of stale ducky sockyness at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arab Advisors Group. Thanks, Cabayi (talk) 18:23, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

... and Special:Contributions/Bjaghbeer, User talk:Bjaghbeer. Looks like they've been plugging away at this topic for 5 years and more. Cabayi (talk) 18:26, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Origin of the Romanians article

Hi, I'd greatly appreciate it if you could take a look at the latest edits made unilaterally by an editor without having reached consensus on the Talk pages. Thank you.Iovaniorgovan (talk) 10:19, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

One question

Zdravo Vanja,

How can we edit the content behind A bullet on Kosovo related articles? For example, when a user clicks on a bullet behind Kosovo (Kosovo Judicial Council) there is a text stating that 113 countries recognize Kosovo, which is incorrect. Is there a way to edit the text with the current number stated? Mm.srb (talk) 18:29, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

The text is contained in Template:Kosovo-note. The note doesn't say, thought, that 113 countries recognize Kosovo, it says that Kosovo has received formal recognition as an independent state from 113..., which is correct. Vanjagenije (talk) 21:35, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

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Tesla and Serbian Orthodox Church

Hi. I noticed that you did one revert, but there are other edits done prior to this one which were against the same consensus. Here is the consensus [21]. You will see it say: "The consensus is to keep the present text, which reads "Nikola Tesla was born ... to Serbian parents... His father, ... was an Orthodox priest.Tesla's mother['s] ... father was also an Orthodox priest,..." The other suggested version, saying the father and grandfather were Serbian Orthodox priests, would introduce ambiguity. (E.g., 1. Orthodox priests from Serbia, or 2. Serbian Orthodox priests.)...". You can see which references S. Rich put after establishing a consensus. Someone has since put the following references that are against that consensus: 15,16,17,18. All those references are cherry picked and are mentioning Serbian Orthodox Church, thus by consensus introducing ambiguity. Can you please revert to the version that was done by S. Rich? I tried to notify 2 other editors but they do not care about this consensus, and I can't do it as an IP. 141.136.229.217 (talk) 19:19, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

• Particular articles should be discussed at their talk pages. Thanks. Vanjagenije (talk) 19:26, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I see the protection for IPs editing talk page has expired. I will open a change request. Thank you. 141.136.229.217 (talk) 19:39, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Is this normal to you [22] ? 89.164.164.9 (talk) 20:50, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Clear socking

Here is important evidence that User:Bilseric and the IP accounts pretending to be someone else supporting him, are the same person: diff.

I will explain it. At that discussion yesterday evening, I discussed only with the IP account. I was asking him for sources, and at middle of the discussion, under pression from me accusing him of not having any further source that that one, he said: It's not irrelevant, and I have provided a secondary source from a contemporary historian saying that happened.

I immediatelly remembered that the only other source presented either by him or "the other one" was this one presented by Bilseric.

I immediatelly started asking him when did he presented that other source, and he got it that he slipped, and avoided presenting it as seen in his answers. But today he couldn´t resist, and he confirmed, as seen at bottom at Talk:Austria-Hungary, that he was refering to that source he presented at the other discussion as Bilseric.

Clear case of socking. He already did that when he was Asdisis and IP´s used to appear backing him, remember. He is so lunatic that he makes this entire theater where he even responds to himself. FkpCascais (talk) 21:44, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

• We have a procedure for conducting sockpuppet investigations. It is explained at WP:SPI. Thanks! Vanjagenije (talk) 21:52, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
  • You will probably find it hard to believe, but in over more than a decade, and being involved in so many problematic areas, I actually always got to eliminate vandals by other means than not by reporting them for sockpuppeting. I always found the repoting process for socks extremelly hard and time taking. I guess I am probably making an elefant out of a mouse, but that is what always happened with me. Anyway, MrX already started a spy report, I´ll do my best to help.

• • What is most impressive in this case is that the vandal is already indef-banned. His initial account was User:Asdisis and Tesla was his first major involvement. He behaved so annoyingly and was so clearly a POV-pusher that he got himself banned. However, he already made socking before being banned, and afterwords he just continued editing as IP often even openly admiting it was him. He even got to say that no one was going to stop him. So, even if this accounts of his get blocked, he will appear again. I was really thinking of exposing this case to widder community and expose this problem. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 22:05, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Tell me please if the evidence I added at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Asdisis is going to be taken into account, or what? FkpCascais (talk) 13:24, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Both IPs are already blocked. What more do you expect to be done? Vanjagenije (talk) 13:59, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

The account Bilseric is the same as one of the blocked IPs which was blocked as sock of Asdisis, meaning, Bilseric is also Asdisis. FkpCascais (talk) 14:19, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Vanja, the editor Bilseric is continuing to make the entire mess and refusing to recognise consensus (look at Teslas talk-pages last events. Exactly same behaviour as old Asdisis always did and got him indef-blocked), and since he messed up and admited, while editing as IP (one of this banned here) at Talk:Austria-Hungary, that he preseneted a second source which was actually Bilseric who presenting it Is clear indication he was not carefull enough and he mesed up for a bit which acount he ws using, so, claime as his one, an edit Bilseric did.

More evidece is that they defend exacxt same POV, they use a tone and grammar just same, they know past events from discusions of Asdisis from many years before, and he slipped and made a mistake here clearly indicating IP´s were Bilseic, and all are Asdisis. FkpCascais (talk) 22:16, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

He (Bilseric) admited that he was one of the IP accounts. And now he is following me around happy for being spared with his Bilseric account. I wouldn´t be bringing this to you if I was not 100% sure. He really slipped there and admited that an edit of his own (while ediitgn as IP) was an edit of Bilseric. Its really staigh-foward case. I provided the diffs. FkpCascais (talk) 12:29, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

By the way, he has followed me to a couple of articles too [23][24]. It's rather comical to see him try to participate in discussions outside of his narrow interests.- MrX 🖋 12:47, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

I am not a sock of anyones, but it's easy to ban a IP who is involved in personal talks like this. I'm more of people person, and I get involved like this, but that makes me not sock. You can block Bilserik i donnt care, but stop blocking me. For years I have problem with Fkp and his POV pushing. I can link several RfCs I have opened against him and won all. I just care that Fkp is finally blocked as I spent numerous time dealing with his POV pushing agenda. Fkp you are lying as always, I was talking of that source I posted at the top of discussion. I was the one who found the source a long time ago, it is mine. I know you donnt want to see this source as it goes against your POV pushing agenda, but the source says what says. You and others on Tesla page are POV pushing for years, but it's always 4 of you against one so you always win. One by one editor comes and you all POV push opinon and remve one by one. If someone does not wanna go so easiliy you start with accusations. Vanja, read discussion and you will see. You are also laying about my source. Vanja you can read the native langauge of my source, you can see that Fkp is layng. He was POV pushing for years like this. 89.164.199.211 (talk) 17:56, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Where I can apply so you stop blocking me? I deserve after Fkp was now blocked for POV pushing. My ips are 141 and 89 and they frequently change by my internet provider. 89.164.199.211 (talk) 18:04, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

Not going to get an answer?89.164.199.211 (talk) 13:59, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

He is back

...I mean, he never left, just changed IP. This is one of him: diff, as you can see that is exactly the edit that he fights for years here and got him banned first place at Tesla article (insistance Military Frontier is Croatia, and using that only source) and you can see he deleted sourced content and a source. And the other IPs are also starting with 89 and are at my appeal Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Statement_by_uninvolved_editor_89.164.... He just doesnt give up and he admits stalking me for 2 years. What can I do? Besides the obvious which is to point his socking, seems he just changes IP and keeps on. FkpCascais (talk) 13:06, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

89.164.154.220 FkpCascais (talk) 21:14, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

FkpCascais. I'm not under a ban as you are. I can edit freely. You are violating your TB by posting this kind of comments to admin talk pages. I edit Balkan related articles and you can't report me, since you are banned from participating in anything Balkan related. You can't proxy edit. 89.164.154.220 (talk) 21:26, 28 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks

	Thanks
	Thanks for knowing that there was no sockpuppetry and unblocking me! You have recived a trophy! R32 nissan skyline (talk) 17:46, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Help me

I wasn’t block evasion but I was asking to unlock my account because therenotime didn’t unlock me since the retirement. I wish you can help me with this. Regard Benjaminzyg --2001:8003:DC1C:9E00:7508:FA3D:60D7:15AC (talk) 08:31, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for blocking this socking IP. Unfortunately they were advised, in good faith, to create a new account - could you also block Benjaminzyg101? Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:49, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Merry

		Happy Christmas!
		Hello Vanjagenije, Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?" My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 22:54, 19 December 2018 (UTC)