Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rojam

Rojam

[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!

• How to contribute
• Introduction to deletion process
• Guide to deletion (glossary)
• Help, my article got nominated for deletion!

Rojam (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

(Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)

This company, which once operated a single nightclub, has extant sources that are just barely enough to prove it exists and isn't a hoax, but certainly not enough to demonstrate notability. A basic BEFORE (Google News, Google Books, JSTOR, newspapers.com) is somewhat foiled by the fact that "Rojam" is a better known as a type of Toyota custom mod kit. But, insofar it's possible to tell, it fails the BEFORE. Chetsford (talk) 10:26, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

Hi there. I put a lot of work in to adding more sources to this article after it was recently listed as proposed deletion. I removed the tag in line with having resolved the issues. Having done that, I do not appreciate your mischaracterisation of the work. Factual inaccuracies include:

1. "This company": it is in fact a series of companies operating multinationally (Japan, HK, China), one of which is stock listed on a major international stock market and therefore having numerous investors.
2. "A single nightclub": the article contains cited references to multiple nightclubs, one of which was quite famous in its day (enough to host multiple major international acts, some of which are cited), in addition to various music and entertainment interests.
3. "notability": A stock market listed (also known as "public company") on a major stock exchange is by definition notable. Similarly, an early operation in Shanghai's music history is by definition notable, as it is now a major world city.
4. BEFORE: There was very little information about China available in English at the time of these activities, which is why Google, English newspapers and published English books would not reference it. It will be listed in some period guides to Shanghai, but they are unlikely to be indexed.

In short - yes this is clearly notable place, I have put lots of work in to it. The correct manner to enhance such an article is to do better (less lazy, monolingual, online-only) research. prat (talk) 12:51, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

A stock market listed (also known as "public company") on a major stock exchange is by definition notable. That's incorrect. WP:LISTED does not set-out that any company with a publicly traded stock is automatically notable. There was very little information about China available in English at the time of these activities, which is why Google, English newspapers and published English books would not reference it. While I question the accuracy of the statement that there was "very little information about China available" in the early 2000s, WP:BEFORE requires only a basic search by the nom which I have met. You are, however, free to independently engage in a complex or archival records search, or to provide offline or non-English RS. However, this does require demonstration RS exist, not simply assertion they exist. Chetsford (talk) 21:59, 29 December 2018 (UTC)