Talk:Cristina Fernández de Kirchner

Presidential term

Hi @Cambalachero: the source is clear. The presidential term ended on 9 december 2015, not on 10 december. Please see the judiciary bill and the rulers website. --Panam2014 (talk) 21:18, 2 February 2017 (UTC) @Joseph Solis in Australia: --Panam2014 (talk) 10:00, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

@Panam2014: based on the ruling, her term ended at 24:00 hrs of 9 December 2015, the 24:00 hrs signifies 00:00 hr of the following day thus it is still valid to say that CFK's term ended on 00:00 hr of 10 December 2015. A proof that CFK's term ended on 24 hrs or 0:00 hr of December 10. Joseph Solis in Australia (talk) 13:24, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict) IMO, 24:00 means 23:59:59 of the same day and 00:00 refers to following day.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:43, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

It is simply a standard to set the inauguration day as both the first day of the new president and the last day of the outgoing president. Note that, if we go for the bill, this rule would have always applied. But in most other cases of presidential transitions (or basically all other cases), the precise hour when the president ceases to be the president is just a legal technicality that doesn't change anything. This bill only exists because Kirchner tested the limits as it had never been done: had she behaved like any other normal president from elsewhere, her term would have still technically ended at 00:00, but she would still have been a "de facto" president until more or less the 16:00 or 17:00 when she would have handed the symbols, and there would be no discussion about any of this.

Note as well that the bill itself is a primary source. And, although the bill is written as if this was the case for all presidential transitions, I'm not aware of any speculation about it setting a jurisprudence that would influence future presidential transitions. Macri will be the president until December 10, 2019 (or 2023 if reelected), "technically" ceasing his term at 00:00 but still being "de facto" president for a handful of hours until he gives the symbols to Vidal, Carrio, Massa or whoever is elected. The standard has not been broken, there's no reason not to stick to it. Cambalachero (talk) 17:00, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

@Cambalachero, Joseph Solis in Australia, and Jetstreamer: Hello. I think there is a paradox. I do not know if Cristina Kirchner had agreed to hand over power to Macri, she would have done it on December 9 at 12:00 or 17:00 so before the end of her term or she would have done it the next day. It seems to me that according to the Argentine law, the second option is the only one in conformity with the constitution. In France, François Hollande, whose mandate began on May 15, 2012, will have to surrender power on May 14, 2017 because his term ends on May 15, 2017 at 24:00. In the USA, the presidential term ends on 20 January. In addition, Nestor Kirchner, elected at the beginning of 2003, handed power to his wife on 10 December and not on 9, after completing the mandate of the Rua until 10 December and then began his two terms. --Panam2014 (talk) 19:19, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we are not discussing the law, which is pretty clear. The matter here is when she effectively handed over the Presidency. Actually, Federico Pinedo took office in the meantime. I think that should also be taken into account--Jetstreamer ^Talk 22:57, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

@Jetstreamer: have you got a source ? --Panam2014 (talk) 19:49, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

A source for what? For Pinedo being the president half a day or so?--Jetstreamer ^Talk 20:08, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

@Jetstreamer: for that Kirchner's term ends on 10 December. --Panam2014 (talk) 21:45, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

{{ping|Cambalachero|Joseph Solis in Australia|Jetstreamer} your source said that CFK was not president at noon. --Panam2014 (talk) 17:13, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

The source in the article is clear, the term finished December 9th. Provide another source (not just an opinion) before changing again the date. 128.179.253.75 (talk) 19:27, 19 February 2017 (UTC) — 128.179.253.75 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

As I said, the judicial ruling is a primary source. --Cambalachero (talk) 21:31, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

So? 128.179.252.253 (talk) 00:00, 20 February 2017 (UTC) — 128.179.252.253 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

See Wikipedia:No original research Cambalachero (talk) 14:00, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

"A primary source may only be used on Wikipedia to make straightforward, descriptive statements of facts that can be verified by any educated person with access to the primary source but without further, specialized knowledge." So? 128.179.254.184 (talk) 19:07, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Clarity needed

Not sure why Kirchner's second term was cut short by 12 hrs (honestly, a half a day?), but perhaps an explanation for it in the article content would suffice, more then just relying on external links. GoodDay (talk) 18:27, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

That's detailed at Inauguration of Mauricio Macri --Cambalachero (talk) 19:40, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

We should have it written out in this article, though. GoodDay (talk) 19:43, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Media control claim

I removed the claim that 80% of the media was controlled (directly or indirectly) by Kirchner, since I could not find a credible analysis stating this. The cited Guardian article gave no source. A detailed 2016 analysis of media ownership and concentration in Argentina published by Oxford Scholarship gives no such numbers. InverseHypercube (talk) 06:12, 16 July 2017 (UTC)

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Lede concerning Alberto Nisman and other controversies

Some controversies are being removed from the lede. The information seems well backed by RS. @Cambalachero, any particular reason why this is being removed? Stefka Bulgaria (talk) 06:49, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

See WP:Lead fixation. Yes, all that info is already included and referenced... in the body of the article. The lead must be a brief summary of info that is fully explained later, and a simple line "Several corruption scandals took place, and she faced several demonstrations against her rule." is enough at that level. Same for everything else: in my version of the lead, for each line that says something about her rule, there is an expanded info later on. That's why I did not mention, for example, the Universal allocation per child in the lead: it's mentioned in the "Economic policy" section, but there isn't much more to say about it than that sentence, it's just a social security program. Cambalachero (talk) 13:15, 7 February 2019 (UTC)