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Edits that changed the structure of the article today?

(Pinging User:Princessruby since this is largely about disputes with their edits)

This is probably more about some edits than others, but I don't think consensus has been defined over the edits Princessruby made today, so I wanted to start this discussion to try to figure it out. Some edits I think were welcomed (like the career section, something I myself had planned to do but abandoned because real life obligations got in the way), but others were reverted or changed by other people. In specific:

• This edit by Joeyconnick reverted an addition of "businessman" to the list of things he does/is, with the rationale that it's not what he's known for. (I don't personally know how I feel about this edit myself either way.)
• This edit is me reverting the movement of the college information to the early life section (putting it back in the lede), with a rationale that I wasn't sure it fit there. In my opinion, I'm not sure it's "early life" unless his whole life is early life (he graduated three years ago or so). Maybe this warrants a change of the section name or something (perhaps to "personal life"?), but... yeah, I reverted it?
• A few other assorted reverts/edits (mostly copyedits, though) that have less to do with any large content changes, which is why I'm not linking to the individual diffs in those cases: stuff like unexplained removal of a citation (I reverted this then adjusted it (replacing an instance of the same ref with a ref name) when copyediting the career section), an unrelated removal of the link to All-Wise Meadery in the external links (I say unrelated because it wasn't part of Princessruby's edits (or reverts of their edits) but was removed by someone else in between the other edits, and I felt weird not mentioning it), addition of a title/name ("Prince" on the front of Calaf, "Paul" as the character name in Daddy) which is not in the sources cited (I reverted Prince and templated Paul), etc.
• Princessruby moved the college info back to early life again (after my revert) with this edit, with the summary "Shifted his college information to early life, kindly leave it there. Thank you." ...which is more like an order than a rationale? (It's also the only one of their edits today that has any sort of summary at all.)
• In summary, this diff is the whole of how the article has changed today after all the edits by everyone, excluding the revert that I made right before writing up this section. (For completeness: this is the whole of the edits including my last revert and AnomieBOT's date addition.)

...I created this section to see if we could hash out consensus and when I started I feel like I had suggestions for what to do, but now I'm just kind of... meh? (I also somehow managed to get a headache while typing, which is probably not helping me either in idea generation or maybe my tone. I hope I don't sound harsh; I was just trying to provide a map of what happened.) I did provide a vague suggestion in the second bullet point but other than that... what does everyone think about these edits and/or how to make them better? - Purplewowies (talk) 21:45, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Hi everyone. I was just trying to make the article look better. I made some changes which I thought were necessary. I had earlier requested (which may seemed like an order) to let the college part stay in the early life, but sadly it was avoided and added back up which according to me looks extremely awful.--Princessruby (talk) 22:22, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Regarding the "businessman/businessperson" additions, they should absolutely not be included. Warren Buffett is notable for being a businessman. Or John Jacob Astor IV. Dylan Sprouse is notable for being an actor. We can certainly mention (and do) that he owns a business but there is no way we should be adding "businessperson" categories to every actor who also owns businesses.

As for the other edits, it definitely doesn't make sense to mention college in an "Early life" section of someone who is essentially still of college age (or only a year or two out of it). That being said, we shouldn't be mentioning college and the bar in just the lede, as the lede should summarize the article. I would suggest something like:

• Early life
• Career as a child actor
• College (or Education)

(put the bar here)

• Return to acting

Although, checking other child stars who continue as acting as adults like Dakota Fanning, Jodie Foster, and Drew Barrymore, etc. it looks like is often done as:

• Career
  • span of years
  • span of years
  • span of years

Anyway, apart from the fact there's info in the lede that doesn't appear in the body, I'm fine with the article as it is (after Purplewowies restored it)/how it was before. —Joeyconnick (talk) 02:21, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Ooh, that's a good layout idea (the first one, not the second; I'm not sure the career layout needs subsections at this point in time, especially not if we're mainly covering his solo career in detail and even if we expand extensively on his career with Cole). I think my brain was taking cues from Kim Rhodes for the layout I had suggested before I read your response here (for reference: Personal life (which encompasses her early life, education, and later personal life), Career, Filmography, etc.--basically what this article has now, with a one-word change to the early life section title). I definitely agree with the lede info not in article bit, though; I only moved it back there and not somewhere else because there wasn't another extant fitting section and I would have felt the need to turn what's technically half a sentence right now into a fuller (and well-sourced) section somehow if I created a, say, education section (an undertaking I probably could have done but really didn't have time for since I was already borrowing time from other activities as it was the other day). But in short, I basically agree with you. - Purplewowies (talk) 00:42, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

the pic

i don’t know how to do it,but please change the pic : Dylan’s an adult now!! Chiarajones (talk) 12:20, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

It needs to be freely usable. There's not a more current one that we can put in the article that is in line with Wikipedia BLP image policy, which is why it's so old. - Purplewowies (talk) 16:51, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Please update the photo. Dylan requested it himself. Babywerefireproof (talk) 21:39, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

What can be an image? I’m sure there’s one out there, just not trying hard enough Babywerefireproof (talk) 21:47, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

Until there's a recent photo, that is freely licensed to be compatible with Wikipedia, we can't. Way too many users have tried to change the photo, most are found to be copyrighted, and so the article has been semi-protected because of that. Also, because this is still a living person, we can't use a fair use image, as it would violate the "No free equivalent" criteria. theinstantmatrix (talk) 21:48, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

When and where did Dylan "request it himself"? (I figured Twitter or something but there's nothing recent.) Ah, it's an Instagram story. His opinion, sorry to say, means almost nothing in terms of this article, but I almost wonder if he himself knows of a freely licensed image somewhere. (This is... you should probably ignore me. I'm just the kind of person to brazenly approach a complete stranger talking on the internet about how a Wikipedia image should be changed or updated and ask them if they have an image in mind, even if it's a long shot.) - Purplewowies (talk) 05:16, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

As we all know he has a twin his twin has a recent pic he shall have one too Varela088 (talk) 09:10, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Cole has recently been at cons, etc. due to a high-profile network television role and enough people took photos of him that a few were licensed in such a way they were usable for this purpose. Even my cable box doesn't have an updated image of Dylan, and as far as I know, they're not even bound to only using freely licensed images. - Purplewowies (talk) 17:52, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

A Commons file used on this page has been nominated for speedy deletion

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NEW IMAGE

Can the image be changed to this one? I am a friend of his. He would like the image changed. https://c6oxm85c.cloudimg.io/cdno/n/q85/https://az617363.vo.msecnd.net/imgmodels/models/MD10004294/4r5a3846-2469d6f184f27a5eb29ac5f0518bf9273_thumb.jpg Mkano 06:14, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: We only accept images that are released under a free license (public domain, CC BY, CC BY-SA); it's highly likely that image is copyrighted (all rights reserved) and so cannot be used here. theinstantmatrix (talk) 14:41, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Could Dylan Sprouse post a selfie on Instagram or Twitter with a license for open use that could then be used on Wikipedia? I could not find an answer to this in the Wikipedia policies. Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 22:30, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Teeechnically? The image could probably be used if it was of sufficient quality and fit the criteria for uploading to Wikimedia Commons or Wikipedia's image use policy. Actors have uploaded their own headshots and/or photographs before (or people have found images they've taken of themselves and released under a free license and uploaded for them). A relevant note: I tried talking directly to him about the licensure of free images on Wikimedia (after he made an Instagram story about the images on articles like this one) and didn't get a response after a week or two (but then I expect he probably gets a lot of DMs and/or screens them, hrm; I am just a stranger, of course). Just that it might note his willingness to do such a thing? (I suspect given his art and education history that he might even understand a little about licensing but perhaps not. *shrug*) - Purplewowies (talk) 23:53, 7 January 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for that information. Seems like he could do something about it if he wants a change. Hopefully this information will be useful to others too. Wallyfromdilbert (talk) 01:28, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Entrepreneurship

Regarding the revision of my edit. The person that edited it asked whether I have a source other than his brewery that makes him an entrepreneur. Well isn't one enough? As I see it, if you own a business you're an entrepreneur. And putting him down only as a brewer is an understatement as a brewer could also mean he works at a place as a brewer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Γιαννης Παπαδογκονας (talk • contribs) 15:09, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Honestly, considering that the template documentation specifically mentions "Occupation(s) as given in the lead" and brewmaster (which is different than brewer) and businessman were removed from the lede, with a reason given, even his brewmaster-ship shouldn't be listed in the infobox, theoretically. Further, the infobox is really just a concise summary of certain info in the article/lede anyway, and the article does specifically mention that he opened the meadery. - Purplewowies (talk) 16:44, 14 February 2019 (UTC)