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Greeting! I am from a Serbian Wikipedia and I need help on making an article about Serbian actress and journalist. The page is here. Because I'm not Autoconfirmed, I can not move the page and link it to a page in Serbian Wikipedia. Thank you. Serbian Nickmen (talk) 11:15, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

@Serbian Nickmen: Thanks for your contributions to the English wikipedia!

Unfortunately, your submission had to be declined since it did not cite a reference that complies with English wikipedia's sourcing policies. If instead of citing a Wikia article, as in the current draft, you can cite mainstream newspapers, magazines, or books for the included information, it is likely that your draft would be suitable for mainspace. Please see WP:RS for English wikipedia's sourcing policies, and WP:NACTOR for how we evaluate notability for an actress. I expect that the article reviewer Knightrises10 will be able to help you through the process. Abecedare (talk) 22:12, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for Your help! I can add in the biography in which newspapers she worked and to add filmography (which contains only one role). During the day I will add other information! Thank you very much! Serbian Nickmen (talk) 07:11, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Ref desk talk page

Hello. That stuff you just deleted, can it be permanently struck instead? Floquenbeam did something similar on the page a couple of days ago. Many thanks, --Viennese Waltz 07:16, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

@Viennese Waltz: Good point. Done. Abecedare (talk) 07:23, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Great, thanks for the swift action. --Viennese Waltz 07:26, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Precious anniversary

Precious

Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:21, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

2011 multilingualism census data

can you try to find the all-India 2011 census data for bilingualism and trilingualism, for eg. how many speakers chose a particular language (eg.Hindi) as their 2nd language and third language? No one has published data on multilingualism 2011 census data of India. maximum, it is reported in media The number of bilingual speakers in India is 31.49 crore, which is 26% of the population in 2011. 7% of Indian population is trilingual. But how to calculate data for each language from this excel sheet given by census department?
http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011census/C-17/DDW-C17-0000.XLSX
Hindi multilingual speakers share may have gone to near 60% from 53% in 2001 census
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/hindi-migrants-speaking-marathi-rise-to-60-lakh/articleshow/66061624.cms
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/52-of-indias-urban-youth-are-now-bilingual-18-speak-three-languages/articleshow/66530958.cms
http://censusindia.gov.in/2011Census/Language_MTs.html
http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011census/C-17/DDW-C17-0000.XLSX
https://twitter.com/iPatelJay/status/1058618808791777280
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_India#Multilingualism
http://www.censusindia.gov.in/2011census/C-17.html
--Rabiaanumrandi (talk) 22:29, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Clear a dispute

Hello, there has been a conflict of understanding in the page:List of sitting judges of the Supreme Court of India. One of the user keeps on adding the name of judges in Hindi and I keep reverting it. I thought that you being administrator would know what is to be done and end this mess. If you want to see his argument :User talk:Adithya harish pergade#Do not delete hindi name from List of sitting judges of the Supreme Court of India. Adithya Pergade (talk) 07:10, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Abecedare hasn't edited for a while. I've warned the editor and will block if they continue to edit war. Best. --regentspark (comment) 22:44, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

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Need Some Help

Hi ::@Abecedare: I am sorry for disturbing you. I was hoping If you could help me out with wikiedu.org. Will that be possible. If not can you recommend an Instructor who could help me. (Purplecart (talk) 10:14, 28 November 2018 (UTC))

Merry Merry

		Happy Christmas!
		Hello Abecedare, Early in A Child's Christmas in Wales the young Dylan and his friend Jim Prothero witness smoke pouring from Jim's home. After the conflagration has been extinguished Dylan writes that Nobody could have had a noisier Christmas Eve. And when the firemen turned off the hose and were standing in the wet, smoky room, Jim's Aunt, Miss. Prothero, came downstairs and peered in at them. Jim and I waited, very quietly, to hear what she would say to them. She said the right thing, always. She looked at the three tall firemen in their shining helmets, standing among the smoke and cinders and dissolving snowballs, and she said, "Would you like anything to read?" My thanks to you for your efforts to keep the 'pedia readable in case the firemen chose one of our articles :-) Best wishes to you and yours and happy editing in 2019. MarnetteD|Talk 07:38, 18 December 2018 (UTC)

Greetings.

Hello Abecedare: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, DBigXrayᗙ 17:55, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

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Hope the new year will bring more friendly debates and collaboration for us. Cheers --DBigXrayᗙ 17:55, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Durganagar, Kolkata

A new person name Jeet Dev remove previous Durganagar, Kolkata page Information. Today i again write previous page information of Durganagar, Kolkata. About 4 months ago of date 4 October 2018 time 8:23 the page information i put and you verified it. But recent 2 days a person name jeet dev remove the all previous page information which information is no need for this page as compare previous information. Today again jeet dev remove all previous page information so i again put previous page information because it is better from jeet dev information. So you Kindly take a action jeet dev which information is no good than previous information which edit 4 months ago. The previous 4 month's edit information is better than jeet dev information. AmitMondal1299 (talk) 20:12, 13 February 2019 (UTC) Today again jeet revert the better information of this page. Kindly take a step.

@AmitMondal1299: Since the edits to the Durganagar page are disputed, perhaps you could start a discussion at Talk:Durganagar explaining the reasoning behind these additional mentions to Kolkata in the article lede (you can link to this previous discussion at WT:INB). That would be a better strategy than repeated reversions and trying to communicate through edit-summaries alone. Same advice also goes out to Jeet Dev (talk · contribs).

I'll ping @SshibumXZ, Chandan Guha, and Dwaipayanc: who are knowledgeable about the subject and may be able to help. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 16:23, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, Abecedare! Now, I would have to agree with much of what you have suggested, in that, I think this seems to be a content dispute and should warrant a discussion at the article’s talk page. However, I must suggest that the page be named just ‘Durganagar’; ‘Kolkata’ is an unnecessary [and probably incorrect] disambiguator in my view. Regards, SshibumXZ (talk · contribs). 03:15, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

@SshibumXZ: Good point. I haven't looked at the relevant MOS guidelines for geographic articles but what you say makes sense to me especially since 'Kolkata' (or, any other qualifier) in the title is not needed for disambiguation purposes. The article was moved to its current title last November by User:AmitMondal1299; an WP:RM discussion to move it back is perhaps warranted. Abecedare (talk) 19:13, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

1. CambridgeBay Weather had made it abundantly clear that that Durganagar does not need a disambiguation but AmitMondal1299 forcibly made it Durganagar, Kolkata.

2. Kolkata district is well defined as the Kolkata Municipal Corporation area. Administratively only that is Kolkata. Therefore, the suffix Kolkata should only be added for areas in Kolkata district. Lake Town needs a disambiguation, but it should not be Kolkata. It can be West Bengal or something else.

3. Unlike Greater London or Delhi National Capital Territory, Greater Kolkata does not have any official/ administrative sanction. Therefore, both Kolkata and Greater Kolkata remain vague. The use of Kolkata or Greater Kolkata may not be a right definition for the area covered by Kolkata Metropolitan Development Authority, but may be allowed in the absence of a better alternative or till such time Greater Kolkata is officially defined. And again, may be, it should be Greater Kolkata rather than just Kolkata.

I hope I have been able to throw some light on the situation.

Cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 05:04, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for those additional notes, User:Chandan Guha.

Btw, last week I had blocked User:AmitMondal1299 temporarily for sockpuppetry but if on their return (the block expires in a few hours) they are interested in discussing the disputed edits, I would suggest that the discussion about the article name and content continue at Talk:Durganagar so that all interested users can participate. Happy editing! Abecedare (talk) 17:16, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Shifting the discussions to the article page is okay with me. Thanks and cheers. - Chandan Guha (talk) 17:35, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Chintu6

Since you're familiar with this case, you should probably know the abuse continues here and xwiki. Praxidicae (talk) 16:02, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Speedied the draft and blocked the latest sock. Thanks for keeping an eye on this. Abecedare (talk) 17:11, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you

I have read all the criticism. Frankly, I remain unclear as to how I could have handled it better, other than not make the period and en-dash errors in the move, which I corrected myself anyway. The period got caught in a sloppy copy/paste on my iPad (I've never made that mistake before, and I'm sure I'll never make it again), and frankly I did not know about the en-dash convention for titles at MOS:DASH. Now I do. The discussion about the close decision continues on my talk page with JzG where there is further clarification about how and why I closed the way I did. If you could read that, and give me some insight, I would really appreciate it. Thanks, --В²C ☎ 19:23, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@Born2cycle: I don't think it is worth re-litigating the particular closure that started the the ANI thread but, as I read it, the relevant feedback for you and User:JzG was:

• For you: desist from making NAC closures of move requests that may be controversial, and doublecheck to avoid typos
• For JzG: prior discussion with the person you are in conflict with and less exasperated/inflammatory mode of communication would only help your cause.

Now these are really universally applicable recommendations that all of us occasionally fail to follow, which is why my close was in the form of a reminder and not a warning or sanction. Hopefully you both will take the above in the spirit it is intended. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 19:45, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again. Perhaps you're not aware, but I, like many other non-admins, close RMs "that may be controversial" all the time, per WP:RMNAC, usually without any issues. On those occasions where there is an issue, a note at the NAC's talk page results in non-controversial revert and often a relist (see User talk:Born2cycle#Park Street for a recent example). It's normal procedure at RM and keeps everything flowing smoothly. So, for the record, I don't think it's fair to single me out as someone who should not make NAC closures of move requests that may be controversial, especially given my solid record of usually getting those "right" (uncontested decisions), as anyone who bothered to check my record would readily see. Like all closers, there are exceptions, and this just happened to be one of them for me. I think I'm still well above par for this course. --В²C ☎ 20:01, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

ANi close

Your close at ANi for Mountain157 was inadequate and against consensus. Please revert. Legacypac (talk) 00:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

@Legacypac: See my reply at ANI. Incidentally, my close was drafted, in part, to address concerns of the kind you raised in your "06:15, 28 February 2019 (UTC)" comment on the page. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 01:48, 1 March 2019 (UTC)