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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:16, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Clive Swift

I have read the NFCC several times and the only distinction is between living people and deceased people. There is no edict to wait an arbitrary extra time after the person's death. The Clive Swift page was on this website for well over fourteen years and in that time there clearly had not been a free-licence image of him found by any of those editors who had contributed to it. I also did several searches myself before uploading that Doctor Who screenshot.

There are many articles about once-living subjects which sat image-less for a long time, and I do not know of any cases where photographs of the person were released under a free licence immediately after their death. In several cases (Baroness Trumpington, Lord Stewartby, Lord Richard, Peter Imbert, Charlie Gard) I have uploaded a fair use photograph within a month, or even a day, of the subject's death and it did not provoke any complaint. It was generally understood that if free images had not been found during the preceding years in which the subject was alive then they were not likely to suddenly emerge a week after the subject's death.

If ever a free photograph of Clive Swift does become available, it will of course replace the one that I used. Until then, File:Clive Swift 2007.jpg stands.

Robin S. Taylor (talk) 12:30, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Please see Talk:Dan Kneen#Images 'deleted' from article by an editor invoking a bot (twice). --Rocknrollmancer (talk) 17:21, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

You're wrong on two counts. Firstly, the site consensus is that non-free images are not uploaded immediately on death. There should be time taken to respectfully reach out to source a free image from family, agents, publishers, etc. Secondly, a non-free image of an actor in a role can only be used to illustrate that role, not the actor themselves. Stephen 23:09, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. It would be expeditious if you could point to any discussion where this (new-to-me term) "site consensus" was established; likewise the second point about any role of an actor.

Some years ago I approached an admin for advice and was bitten - twice, on two different occasions - then on the second occasion further lambasted for my 'ignorance of MediaWiki software' (loose quote). Accordingly, any further guidance from your previous involvements would be beneficial.--Rocknrollmancer (talk) 12:32, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Have a look 5 sections up where a clueless admin had exactly the same issues with an image he uploaded (File:Chérif Chekatt.png). Stephen 23:45, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Michael Ripper

Hi,

I notice you have taken down the image I put up, File:Actor Michael Ripper.jpg, and left the comment "Not fair use as main image," but without any reason given as to why not. Can you please elucidate? Beryl reid fan (talk) 21:36, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

We shouldn't use an image of an actor playing a role to illustrate the actor themselves, it should only be used to illustrate the role, and then only if it is iconic in some way. Stephen 23:42, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

O.K. thanks. I found it hard to find a decent one of him, if I remember. Beryl reid fan (talk) 09:27, 7 February 2019 (UTC) Just found a decent one (much better, so thank you) and put it in the article. Beryl reid fan (talk) 09:46, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Drive-By Purging

Having rejected my pleas on Clive Swift, you are obviously pouring over my contributions list in a photograph deletion spree.

• The photograph of Baroness Trumpington had two fair use rationales: the first was to illustrate the likeness of a deceased person, the second to show a notable event which, given that it was only recorded on parliamentary cameras, could not be available from any free-licence source.
• You insist there is a consensus to wait six months (though, as admitted in the linked discussions, it is not actually in the letter of the rules), but Lord Norwich has been dead for eight months and yet you deleted him anyway. Your assertion that "a famous speaker would almost certainly have a free image available" strikes me as specious given there are plenty of famous individuals on this website for whom free images have not been found.
• Linda Smith died just shy of THIRTEEN YEARS ago. Also, prior to the upload of my image, the same article already had a different non-free photograph of her, which had been in place for several years without apparently coming to your attention.
• I don't really understand what you mean by "evidence" of attempts to source free images - I haven't seen this applied to the many dozens or even hundreds of non-free biographical images that were uploaded before my time on the same fair use rationales that I have employed. Certainly I am not inclined to believe that you have made any significant effort to check any of them during today's rampage - and if you had found free images to replace my non-free ones, surely you would have put them in place instead of just leaving the infoboxes empty?

Overall I am decidedly unimpressed by your behaviour. Robin S. Taylor (talk) 19:37, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

The community has come to a consensus that non-free images of deceased persons should only be uploaded where it is unlikely that a free image could be found. When a non-free image is uploaded it should only be done months after the person has dies, and when a search for a free image has been exhausted. If Trumpington's image is being used to show a notable or iconic event then it should only be shown inline with the event. John Julius Norwich is a famous speaker and it is unlikely that a free image doesn't exist. Similarly for Linda Smith as a famous comedian. The onus is on you to show that you have exhausted all avenues before uploading a non-free image. The best was would be to document your extensive fruitless search in the talk page of the article in question. The onus is not on me as an administrator to search for an upload free images to cover your actions. Stephen 01:58, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

British English

Hi, this correction kind of undermined the consistency we've been aiming at at DYK to use British English for British subjects. The nominator himself used British English ("realised" instead of "realized") in his query. Yoninah (talk) 11:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid that's completely incorrect and Stephen's correction was exactly right in British English. We simply do not refer to station names in the UK in the way you are asserting. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:23, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

Nick Cafardo

Hi - regarding your edit to remove a photo of Nick Cafardo; you noted "Not fair use, too soon after death" — I have not seen such policy, can you please provide a link to where that is documented. Thanks. Dmoore5556 (talk) 05:41, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Non-free content, Images, point 10. Stephen 05:48, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

The one that reads as below? There's no mention of time there... ? Dmoore5556 (talk) 05:56, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

"Pictures of deceased persons, in articles about that person, provided that ever obtaining a free close substitute is not reasonably likely. Note that if the image is from a press or photo agency (e.g., AP, Corbis or Getty Images) and is not itself the subject of critical commentary it is assumed automatically to fail "respect for commercial opportunity"."

The community consensus is that at least 6 months wait is reasonable to ensure that a free use image can not be obtained. Stephen 06:04, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the clarification; good to know. It would probably help for that to be added to the noted point 10. Dmoore5556 (talk) 06:09, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

RD: Vinny Vella: nope

Hi, an IP had added unsourced films to the article after nomination. I have removed it again, can you please check if it can be posted now. --DBigXrayᗙ 07:21, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Handel, Chopin

Wish you'd left this one alone for a while. What have you got against a little good-natured back-and-forth? – (or against me?) – Sca (talk) 23:31, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

No offence intended at all, just clearing some old reports and checking that nothing needs attention. It's not a page conducive to back-and-forth banter, and I didn't notice that your comments were so recent. Best wishes. Stephen 23:43, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

OK and thanks. All the best. Sca (talk) 15:58, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Archbishop of Chicago

"No error" – That's a matter of opinion. Sca (talk) 21:58, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

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Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:13, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

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re [1]: cheap, too cheap. For starters, there is also "big news vs. small news", you did not clarify. Anyway, no need to tell me "you know how this works" by your personal assuption/arrogance. Next time, speak for yourself. -DePiep (talk) 01:10, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

thank you - the loony fan has also targeted Marisa Siketa‎

Thank you. That loony extreme Saddle Club fan has also targeted the Marisa Siketa‎ (who was also Melanie in Saddle Club) article for a long time. Can you protect that as well please? Paul Benjamin Austin (talk) 08:23, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for fixing this awkwardly worded segment of the "In the News" section of the Main Page. It was bothering me for days! Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 22:25, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Revision deletion request

Hi Stephen, It seems that someone's personal details have been posted in this edit. So I was wondering if you could consider doing a Revision Delete please? Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 20:35, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

@1292simon: Done, thanks for the note. Stephen 20:54, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Wow that was quick! Thanks for deleting the Edit Summary. Sorry to trouble you again, but the personal information was also in the edit itself, so perhaps the versions by that IP editor should be removed from the Revision History? Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 23:15, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks again, I missed the details in the text, that’s now been hidden as well. Stephen 01:32, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Great, thanks for that. Cheers, 1292simon (talk) 04:45, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

Is this an April fool?

User talk:Jimbo Wales is usually edit unprotected and move protected. On 14 March you configured it to be indefinitely edit protected and move unprotected. Are you serious? 92.19.169.247 (talk) 08:31, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Read the protection log again as you are mistaken. Stephen 09:17, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, it was 11 March. Here's the log:

curprev 04:21, 11 March 2019‎ Stephen talk contribs‎ m 16,329 bytes 0‎ Changed protection level for "User talk:Jimbo Wales": Persistent sock puppetry ([Edit=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (indefinite) [Move=Require administrator access] (expires 04:21, 14 March 2019 (UTC))) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.19.169.247 (talk)

The protection expired after 3 days, on March 14. It wasn’t indefinite. Stephen 09:57, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Stephen, I thought the IP was being silly at first, but looking at it again I think there actually was a mistake here... From [2] you changed the Move protection from "indefinite" to "expires 14 March", and the Edit protection was set to semi-protected "indefinite". Presumably you intended to set semi-protection until 14 March and retain Move protection indefinitely. I have edited the protection settings just now so that the page is fully editable, but only movable by administrators. If that was not your intention after the expiry of the protection you set, please let me know! Thanks  — Amakuru (talk) 10:03, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I edit-conflicted. Thanks. Have a good day. 92.19.169.247 (talk) 10:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)