Talk:Mystique (character)

Is her last name Darkholme or Darkhölme? I'm imagining I've seen it with an umlaut. Ventifax

Limitations

Just human shape? In the movie, she assumed the shape of a minature Statue of Liberty. --Menchi 07:43, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)

It wasn't a miniature, it was a human sized statue. On the X-Men 1.5 DVD, Bryan Singer says he doesn't know if her becoming a statue was allowed in the comics. --Sketchee 23:32, May 22, 2005 (UTC)

Essentially. They've stretched things a few times - having her take on Angel's (feathered) wings and imitating Mojo, but she's always been humanoid or near enough - SoM 00:50, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

How far can she heal can she grow arms back or is it like Wolverine

Grammar

The grammar in this article needs to be combed through and cleaned up. Also, at one point, we have a reference to Graydon Creed being a homo spaien as opposed to homo superor, or mutant. However, has it not been revealed that mutants are actually homo sapien superior and humans are homo sapien sapiens? Zephyrprince 20:42, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Did some of this today, but only by sections. Probably missed some, since I'm not a Mystique-expert (actually came here reading, not editing). -- nae'blis _(talk) 16:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Sexuality?

Why was the tag for "Category:Fictional gays and lesbians" taken off?Zephyrprince 16:03, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

It seems to have been restored by now... I've also added a trivia bit on her being the only character in the Marvel Universe openly depicted as bisexual... I'm guessing this can be taken as fact...?Zeppocity 03:40, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Do you mean the LGBT category? I think someone might have removed it because they didn't know what it meant when they saw "LGBT"; when I first saw it I didn't know what it meant either. -- VederJuda 13:40, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

No, it was removed when it was under the category Category:Fictional gays and lesbians. It was done by the user Merman, who also removed the gay content from the Alan Cumming article. --DrBat 14:31, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

I'm thinking that Mystique may be the most well-known bisexual character in the Marvel Universe. There has not been a great negative reaction to this, due to the lesser stigma being attached to bisexual (especially female) characters than the few of those who are male homosexual, as shown notably by the popularity of lesbian pornography among young celibate men, composing the core audience of comic readers. can be trimmed down to remove the theorizing. Thoughts? 204.69.40.7 13:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Overstated and unnecessary - her (questionable) bisexuality does not need to become a mini-treatise on the [greater] acceptability of female homosexuality. Nevermind the presumption that the "core audience" of comic books are "young celibate men". There's no evidence to support that statement, nor is there any reason for it to be in an article about Mystique. The whole paragraph is pretty much useless for this article. Godheval 14:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I see this was trimmed to "There has not been a great negative reaction to this, due to the lesser stigma being attached to bisexual (especially female) characters than the few of those who are male homosexual." That still seems questionable. A lesser reaction -- assuming it's true -- could also be explained by the fact that unlike with characters like Northstar and Ultimate Colossus, Mystique's sexuality is never directly stated in canon. Instead, there are a few small references to her relationship with Destiny, of which the first was disguised by using an archaic term and the second found only in a recap. Also, by the time it was made unambiguous that they were lovers, Destiny was already dead. I'm not sure if fan reaction is important enough to be worth getting into this in the article, so I've cut the sentence for now. --Celithemis 11:56, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

The Destiny article states that it has been confirmed that she and Mystique are NOT lovers, yet this article says that they were in a "relationship", within the context of her bisexuality. The implication there is misleading, unless the information cited in the Destiny article is false. I'm going to fix it. If I'm wrong, feel free to change it back. Godheval 14:15, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

And so now, barring the relationship with Destiny, what evidence do we have for her bisexuality? Godheval 14:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm not so sure the Destiny article is correct as the "not" was recently edited in. Seems to be a revert war in the making to me. Destiny is called Mystique's "leman" in Uncanny X-Men #265 and I believe that X-Men Forever just flatout confirms it, but I don't have the copies of that here so I'm not reverting until I have checked. Dizzy D 02:24, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

There was always her solo series which has her in male form checking out a girl. Of course, it could be argued that she was doing this to blend in, but that seems a bit loose. I was at an X-Men panel in Wizard World Chicago and I had asked a question about whether or not her sexuality would be discussed in her title and they said it wouldn't in order to keep the book's current rating (can't remember if it was PG or PSR at the time) but that they may hint at it.--Tuberculosisness 03:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

The anon-user 69.183.73.241 removed all the references to Mystique and Destiny's romantic relationship; I've restored them. --DrBat 01:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Just in case this should come up again: I can confirm that Destiny is referred to as Mystique's leman in Uncanny #265 and as her lover in a recap in X-Men Forever #5. Sage also describes Mystique as Destiny's "true love" in X-Treme #1. I've accordingly added her to the LGBT Characters in Comics category. --Celithemis 11:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

"trivia"

the trivia section states that only the externals and exodus are older than mystique, with the publication of origin has it not shown that wolverine is, if not older, at least as old as mystique? Olthar 04:40, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Not to mention Apocalypse... 'Poxy is far older.

Removed the line "Mystique may be the most well-known bisexual character in the Marvel Universe." First, this is mere speculation. Second, it doesn't really add anything to the content, and seems to me like a superfluous attempt to trumpet her bisexuality even more. - Daniel

Editorializing

"The position of her naked body and the expression of pain, shame, violation, humiliation and loss on her face make her symbolic to a rape victim."

This may or may not be true, but what does it have to do with the factual description of the events. You might as well say "Mystique's blue skin make her symbolic to a blueberry".

This is not fact; It's exposition, and detracts from the article.

Mystique's Age

Mystique is actually 83 years old...she revealed this after she put in a bid to join the X-men after it was discovered that she was posing as X-Man recruit Foxx.

feminist ?

why did you add the category "fictional feminists" ? Unixer 16:40, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Sherlock Holmes

If "no comics story has yet confirmed" that Mystique is Sherlock Holmes, should this unreferenced speculation be included in the article? If there's actually a cite for that I'd love to see it (and it should definitely be included). -RaCha'ar 23:27, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Fight with Wolverine (movie)

Regardless of how it's phrased, saying that Mystique would have won her fight with Wolverine if she had not fled is still an interpretation, not verifiable fact. It's an interesting topic for speculation and discussion, it just doesn't belong here. Please review the policies on Verifiability, No Original Research, and Neutral Point of View rather than add this claim back in again. --Celithemis 05:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Editing please

The third paragraph has errors and an odd tone in general. I never watched X-Men Evolution, but if someone who did could fix it, it would be much appreciated. --Donquixote