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Review of Draft:Aerofly_FS

Hello AngusWOOF, Thanks for your previous review, I fully agree your remarks. I hope my last edit will satisfy you. It's true that the article may look complimentary but it is not exaggerated. About the 3D engine for example, Aerofly is much much better than its competitors, it is just a fact. Thanks for your feedback, Vincent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turman (talk • contribs) 13:37, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

I have read your last review. I don't understand why I need to make a reception section for the reviews. I have never seen that. Could you please detail it or give a sample from an existing article ? About the other part of your review: in fact FS2 is the notable version as FS1 was more confidential. I'll try to explicit that in the article. Thanks, Vincent. Turman

See Sonic the Hedgehog (1991 video game) for example. It doesn't have to be from a video game review website, but from the other flight simulation / computing reviewers. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:11, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for having extending the refs for me ! I have also made small improvements, please tell me if it's enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turman (talk • contribs) 20:45, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello Angus, Could you please rereview my draf since I've made a lot of improvements (I don't know if I can contact another reviewers as you have already made some remarks on my draft). Thanks, Vincent. Turman

Turman, please see feedback from previous. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:49, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

@AngusWOOF:, could you please help me by telling me which part(s) exactly I should improve ? I admit that the "graphic engine" part may look laudatory but it is only the truth, it is the strong point of the simulator which is undeniable (and confirmed by the independent sources I quoted). Maybe I should rephrase the sentence in a more neutral way, but my level of English is unfortunately limited.Turman (talk) 09:27, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Turman, see the comments I had posted on the draft. It needs a development section and a reception section. How did the product come about? What are the reviews of the product? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:26, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft Article

Hello again AngusWOOF,it's been more than a month since I worked on the article Draft:Alliance School Kermanshah which you declined to take out of the draft, but it is still there and no one has touched it.I wonder if you could check this forgotten article again. It is good that you help me create better articles.Thank you Alex-h (talk) 19:03, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

Alex-h, can you explain what you meant by "was". Is the school no longer around? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:07, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF , I just added some information showing this school does not exist any more(after Iran's anti-monarchy revolution).If you take a look at my articles, the scope of my work is human rights and history. I don't know much about schools.I translated this article from Wikipedia Persian. It is now ready for your checking. Alex-h (talk) 14:35, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Alex-h, it's difficult to keep as a separate article when it could be added as a single paragraph in the Alliance Israélite Universelle article or can be expanded upon in a new [List of Alliance Israélite Universelle schools]] with an entry like:

• Alliance School Kermanshah (1904–1979), in Kermanshah, Iran.

But I'll let other reviewers check for this. WP:WITHIN suggests it be merged. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:18, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Alex-h, I accepted the article as a stub. Thanks for cleaning it up. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 13:24, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft: Joe Laresca

This draft is highly self-promotional of both himself and his social media agency. The subject does not meet notability requirements per my understanding. In addition, his sources are primarily articles he wrote and websites he created. I see you originally rejected it - they resubmitted but not much has changed. I would hate to see a page like this created. As an aspiring AFC editor am I missing something? Or do you agree? Any insight would be appreciated.

Drsammyjohnson (talk) 20:26, 29 April 2019 (UTC)drsammyjohnson

Drsammyjohnson, that sounds like a fair assessment. It doesn't appear to be blatant advertising, but if it reads like that, then you could recommend CSD G11. The question is also whether it even has a chance of being notable. Are there any news articles included that would meet WP:GNG. I'd also have him get rid of all the embedded links such as Harvard Business School and change them to links related to Wikipedia such as Harvard Business School. Also the article lacks the references that even connect Laresca to Harvard Business School. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:16, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback. The reason I think it reads as advertising is because I can't see any accomplishments that would meet WP:GNG so I can't understand the purpose other than self-promotion. Taking certification courses from prestigious universities (leaning on their credibility) and running social media for someone on television doesn't equal notability as far I can tell. I will look up CSD G11 as I'm unfamiliar with it. Thank you for your help. 21:46, 8 May 2019 (UTC)DrSammyJohnson

Draft Michael Marrale

Hi AngusWoof, thanks for reviewing Michael Marrale's draft. Alternative data has been gaining traction in the investment community, and Mike is an early entrant/leader in the space who has been using alt data for stock selection for over 15 years, and has led one of the world's largest data-driven research divisions. Here are the three articles requested, which I think will help w/ the notability:

http://www.futuresmag.com/2018/02/28/m-science-michael-marrale-ceo https://www.wsj.com/articles/wall-street-hedge-funds-add-social-media-to-research-menu-1528041600 https://www.institutionalinvestor.com/article/b1505p614qppw2/data-mining-can-pump-up-returns-if-done-right

Bmstarr81, see responses on the Draft:Michael Marrale page AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:34, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

The Successors of Gotama Buddha

You claim that "This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources". However I feel that the sources I cited are reliable.

The main idea of my article is the relationship between Gotama Buddha and the incarnation of the future Buddhas.

The first source is "Anāgatavamsa" (Anāgat (Future) + Buddhavamsa (Life of Buddha)). It is a book written by a Buddhist Monk, De Pell Yin Sayadaw (ဒီပဲယင်း ဆရာတော်). It describes about the biography of Maitreya Buddha and information of his successors.

The second source is "Today's questions about Buddhism" written by Tigyaing Titaw Sayadaw(ထီးချိုင့်မြို့ တည်တောဆရာတော်). It tells about the information about Todeyya.

Another source is "The great life of Buddha" written by the Ministry of Religious Affairs to preserve the Buddhism. It covers the whole life of Buddha and I cited about the relationship between Gotama Buddha had Palileya. Related to this source, Jīnatthapakāsanī written by Kyee Thel Lay Htet Sayadaw (ကျီးသည်းလေးထပ်ဆရာတော်), a monk of Konbaung era of Burma, has the similar manner.

The last source is "King Myet-Hna Shay" written by San Tun. It is a magazine article telling about his religious life.

To conclude, the sources cited for this article are very exotic, i.e , such sources are only available in Myanmar (Burma). I have spent a lot of time and effort to find the ones that are familiar with the common. However, no source can cover this article. This can explain why you feel that my sources are not reliable. You will need a Burmese Wikipedian Editor in order to confirm my references.Albert Poliakoff (talk) 03:55, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Albert Poliakoff, the article is very confusing as to what it's supposed to cover. The lead paragraph mentions 510 successors, then 10 successors. Then it has sections where Gotama is paired with one of the successors but mentions 100,000 more successors, some of whom might become a buddha. It also does not explain where the stories are coming from. Is there a text where he names the 10 successors and provides the descriptions of who they are? If Anāgatavamsa is the main reference, it should explain that, such as, "According to the Anāgatavamsa text, written in (year or period), Gotama Buddha names..." The successors themselves should be organized with their own sections. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, Gotama Buddha mentioned that there will be 510 successors. Of these 510 successors he could guarantee only 10 people that have the potential to be his successors. Actually, "100,000" is the number of kalpa(aeon, meaning a period of time) between Maitreya Buddha and Ramasambuddha Buddha, and between Abhibhū Buddha and his successor. Despite knowing about those 10 people, Gotama Buddha only explained about the biography of Maitreya. And he mentioned the Buddha names of the first 3 successors, Ramasambuddha, Dhammarājā and Abhibhū. The remaining 6 successors have not gotten the Buddha titles.

The stories came from different sources. I combined some of the stories because they are not long enough to be a independent section and Buddha had briefly mentioned them (All Buddhas had only explained about the biography of their first successors and briefly about others). You also feel that the stories were not in order as per the stories of Nālāgiri and Palileya. Nālāgiri could understand Buddha's teachings which means he was a step closer to becoming a future Buddha (or his practice is more complete). In the story of Palileya however, Buddha even said "It is not the time for you to practise", which means his practice to enlightenment is less complete.The point is that I wrote the stories in accordance with their Pāramitā trend.Albert Poliakoff (talk) 05:10, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Albert Poliakoff, as I said, please state the sources of where you got your information. Do not combine your knowledge as that would be synthesis. WP:SYNTH The list of the 10 do not need to be an any particular order. I just split it up because your first statements said that this was a list of ten named successors. If there are more successors such as the 510, then you can have another section of Other successors and list some notable ones there. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 05:29, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Albert Poliakoff, can you explain the difference between that list and Ten Principal Disciples AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:34, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, by definition, a disciple is a pupil and follower of somebody. Buddha's disciples were his monks. All of Buddha's disciples could practice to become arhats (monks that will ascend to Nirvana after death without rebirth). Of his disciples, those 10 principal disciples are the most prominent ones. They also had "Etadagga" titles (the direct translation is "This person is extraordinary" and the definition is a honourary title bestowed upon the disciples for their eminence in a particular aspect by the Buddha).

On the other hand, the 10 people in my article are the incarnations of future Buddhas and they were not his disciples. Although Ajita, an incarnation of Maitreya Buddha, was a disciple, he was an exception. He couldn't practice to become an arhat so that he could become Gotama's Successor in the afterlife.Albert Poliakoff (talk) 02:33, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Albert Poliakoff, I'm starting a discussion at Talk:Gautama Buddha on the notability of the draft. Please help field any concerns people from WP:Buddhism might have. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:02, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF It was stated that the name of the article was too broad. Can you help me with changing the name of the article and finding foreign sources?Albert Poliakoff (talk) 04:11, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Albert Poliakoff, what do you want the name of the subject to be? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:23, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF The Future Bodhisattas in Pali Buddhism would make a good name. I also found the source that mentioned the Buddha names and Bhodhi trees of the Future Buddhas. Being a article of a magazine, I find problems to add in my article and 2 of the names overlap with the names of the previous Buddhas.Albert Poliakoff (talk) 01:44, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Albert Poliakoff, I'm asking at the talk page. Hopefully we will have consensus and then I can send it forth as a stub. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:52, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

Albert Poliakoff, I've renamed the draft to Ten Bodhisattas, but please see the latest comments at the Talk:Gautama Buddha thread and comment there. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:51, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, I appreciate for your work. I feel that there needs to be a section Scholar views on the Bodhisattas (which needs to be left to the people who can give his time to research and write the section) so that the readers can know that the knowledge they get is real.Albert Poliakoff (talk) 07:16, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Albert Poliakoff, you're welcome to add a Interpretations section on scholars' interpretations, much like a Reception section for films, but it should be phrased neutrally, like "(scholar) of (scholar organization) wrote that (critique/interpretation)" Please check that their viewpoints are representative of mainstream view as per WP:WEIGHT AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:37, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Some assistance required

I recently published an article on the Hindi Wikipedia, विष्व तंबाकू निषेध दिवस, which is the translation for World No Tobacco Day, but it got published even without the draft being reviewed. That's the same article you rejected a few days before when I submitted it as a draft for review on the English Wikipedia. I thought I would be honest enough to ask you whether it's a glitch or something like that. And I'm sorry for wasting your precious time (if I did so). Geniuscreatoreditor (talk) 05:05, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Geniuscreatoreditor, I don't know if it's a glitch, but we can CSD that draft (it looks like that's already been done) since World No Tobacco Day is an article that's been around for ages. We can add विष्व तंबाकू निषेध दिवस to the language links from that page (has also been done already) AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:40, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Lamberghini (song)

Hey @AngusWOOF: Thank you for improving Draft:Lamberghini (song). Regards - CptViraj (talk) 01:59, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

CptViraj, can you throw in more news sources for the song reception? It seems to be covered in lots of mainstream media, so that would help boost notability for the song. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF , Okay i will try my best to find news resources. Btw i have temporary removed song cover art as per Wikipedia:Drafts's How Drafts Works section.

AngusWOOF Hey please check out reception now.

CptViraj, how about some more news articles from notable news sources to describe the reception of the song, like (writer) of (journal) wrote that (quote). AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:47, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

CptViraj, in the meantime, you can try to get a version of your picture approved on Commons; that's a separate process from AFC. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:48, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, Okay!

CptViraj, it looks like it got moved to mainspace without being reviewed by AFC anymore. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:19, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

flickerfest

Thanks for putting the article through! I had heard about the festival and was surprised it didn't have an article here. Wosella5 (talk) 06:37, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Wosella5, you're welcome. Thanks for putting in the cleanup effort to make the subject notable for an article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:56, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Racelle Kooy

Hello, AngusWOOF. Please review the changes I have made to the notability list and references on Racelle Kooy`s page and let me know what else I can do to speed up the review process. Thanks! --[[User:|CLStarlet]] (talk)

CLStarlet, see Draft talk:Racelle Kooy for comments on the recent sources you provided. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:23, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Self-Aware Computing

Dear AngusWOOF

Thanks for pointing out the overlap with Autonomic computing. The vision of autonomic computing from 2003 can be seen as a predecessor for self-aware computing systems that have been defined over a decade later and has significantly evolved. The core differences are: Autonomic computing does not strictly integrate ongoing learning - in other words continuous self-improvement. In contrast to Autonomic computing, Self-aware computing systems are not strictly required to act - they can also suggest and explain to human users, as a form of a artificial intelligence engine. If self-aware computing would be merged with autonomic computing, this would make this evolution and core differences hard to communicate to the reader in a compact way. Should we propose a reference from Autonomic computing to Draft:Self-Aware Computing already before is has been accepted?

Thanks for checking the arguments for not merging.

Best regards

You might want to start a discussion on whether to split off Self-aware computing from Autonomic computing. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:23, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Brilliant Idea Barnstar
	Hello Sir, nice to meet you hope you will be good I have problem in writing a biography on Wikipedia. Can you please instruct me to fix it? FaahadKhan (talk) 19:51, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

FaahadKhan, I assume you're talking about Draft:Chinecherem Eze? You need to clean up the references there. Do not cite IMDb. Also please find secondary source news articles that are not interviews or press releases that focus on Eve's career. You should also describe her lead roles in major productions. What shows or films was she the billed star? This is so she can meet notability as an actress WP:ENT. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:55, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

FaahadKhan, you need to get rid of the references to IMDB. That is not a reliable source. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:12, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

FaahadKhan

Respected AngusWOOF, I have changed all the previous stuff, I want you to review on it. I hope that it will satisfy you. I am waiting for your good response Thank you very much.

Forest Glen Elementary School

I understand that this information may not be enough to create a page, may I add it to the Glen Ellyn Illinois page under Forest Glen? Carlybasler (talk) 14:48, 7 May 2019 (UTC)

Carlybasler, I see the entry there. That's fine for now. If you want, you could work on creating the school district one. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:28, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Chamupa Unlimited for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Chamupa Unlimited is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chamupa Unlimited until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:32, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Barkeep49, this has been ongoing at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Chamupa Unlimited. Do you want everyone to chime in at AFD now? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:35, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF Well that's aggravating.Yeah I'm not sure what we do in a case where there's a draft at MfD and the article has also been created in mainspace. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:46, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Barkeep49, let's just keep the AFD going. Can get more feedback there. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:49, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Request on 07:28:11, 8 May 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Markoid72

• Markoid72 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Cheshire Community Action (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, we have a sister organisation that has a wikipedia entry - listed as a stub page. How can we publish a stub page? Kind regards Mark

Markoid72 (talk) 07:28, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Markoid72, you need to find news articles that cover your organization, not just statements from the organization itself. No press releases. See WP:ORGCRIT. It also needs context as to when it was formed and what it does. You should also read WP:MILL as that has guidelines as to what is not likely to be notable such as "A local club supporting a hobby or interest, or a local organization promoting some cause" to make sure your organization is notable way beyond the local community. There are plenty of good organizations that don't have or require a Wikipedia page. if the organization is part of a larger one, perhaps it can be added to that article? Also I would read and declare WP:COI as you seem to be connected to the organization. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:41, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

Hey Angus

Hey, thanks for the notice. I'm very new to publishing on wiki. I thought I had clicked an option that said i was directly related to the article I was publishing about. Anyways, you've got a cool page. Maybe you can check out our site and let us know your thoughts. It's supposed to be like a quora/reddit. I'm aiming for a reddit 2.0. Here's an example post. https://www.auxo-gen.com/discussions/samurai-shodown-Joe-Davies Your thoughts would be much appreciated!

Thanks again, Victor--AuxoGen (talk) 13:12, 8 May 2019 (UTC)

The main thing is to get the article to meet WP:ORGCRIT. So you need to find secondary news sources that describe the company that are not connected to the subject. No press releases or company literature / website. Also your name is too closely connected to the company, you might want to change it. And if you are connected to the company then you should disclosed that per WP:COI AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 00:15, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Another pair of Eyes

Hello AngusWOOF,

I have been coming across several of your reviews so i thought you were the right person for me to reach out to. I need your extra pair of eyes to re-review this draft here as the creator believes it meets our inclusion guidelines. I would be excited to hear from you soon. Best regards. Lapablo (talk) 22:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Lapablo, it seems like the editor is filling the bio with a pile of sources, but not integrating them into the article. The editor needs to list out their top WP:THREE sources and they should be significant coverage reliable sources that are independent of the subject. So no press releases, no convention profiles, no trivial mentions (employment announcements), no articles written by Julian himself. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:43, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

* AngusWOOF Some of the sources are links to Youtube queries on the subject name, and a press release. Lapablo (talk) 22:48, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

Lapablo, I would throw out the Google searches. Those aren't citations to reliable sources. Press releases needed to be cited with {{cite press release}}. They can still stay around for WP:SELFPUB but do not contribute to notability for the person, which is the main issue for Drafts. So you can find (or they should present to you) the three sources that show notability, then that's good enough. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

• Thanks a million, i appreciate your time. Lapablo (talk) 23:04, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

The Thief of Talent

Dear Angus WOOF, as the instructor for the course in which the article "The Thief of Talent" was drafted, I appreciate your taking the time to read over two of my students' articles, even though you rejected both of them. I would recommend, however, that you do not accuse my students of plagiarism. Just because they write well and are sophisticated, critical thinkers does not mean that they "swiped" material from another site. No one likes being accused of cheating with no basis. It would be different if you located any source of a "swipe"- that would certainly be worthy of mention, and I have found that myself in articles. I do hope that you will keep this in mind in the future.

*Yseut229*, it's more that their writing is so sophisticated that there was a strong possibility it was submitted to a journal or website, even if the site is to your school. Or possible original research WP:NOR Or that someone took it from your students. That's why I recommended adding more references, which seems to be done now. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:52, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

*Yseut229*, I would add {{Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment}} to the talk page for the draft. That might be helpful. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:59, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Request on 19:11:39, 14 May 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Lukeaspland2407

• Lukeaspland2407 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Faris Gaddafi (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Gaddafi has a secret son. It's just a fact.

Lukeaspland2407 (talk) 19:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Lukeaspland2407, where are the news articles that confirm this? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:17, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF I'm a first hand source. Primary. Trust.

Lukeaspland2407 (talk) 19:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF I'm wait for my FACTUAL page to be reinstated.

Lukeaspland2407 (talk) 19:11, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

ViewPoint Model

Hello Angus, I assume you have overseen the content of the footnotes 11 and 12, which eliminates your rightful concerns for verifiability. In fact, these confirmations of the Defence Force organisation ICCPM and auditing firm KPMG provides the required evidence that Wikipedia should insist proudly from other contributors too. With reference to the link: the "ViewPoint Model (VPM)" should not link to 'view model' as it addresses another topic. I trust I could clarify the matter for securing the next steps. Thank you so much for your effort - much appreciated. Zsoltnyiri (talk) 20:36, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Zsoltnyiri, the article is still missing the context of why it should be Wikipedia notable. It's strongly technical and doesn't show its use outside of a handful of organizations. You need sources outside of the organizations that conceived of the model as the vast majority of journal articles support Viewpoint model in general and not the ISCM / ICCPM version. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:57, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Zsoltnyiri, regarding reference 11 and 12, those appear to be emails / memos, are you sure those are supposed to be public? They don't help notability though since they are by the companies that directly work on the product, and we need secondary sources independent of the subject for it to meet WP:GNG AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:05, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Angus, I took note of your observation - thank you for your valuable comment. In previous writing attempts, the information was included that the VPM measured the perceptions of the stakeholders and that such computed values were included in the scenario planning simulations. One could forecast why and under which circumstances projects fail as to intervene with a preview rather than costly reviews. That alone makes it very notable.

The various work study/assignment papers at hand were conducted for military, corporates and Government projects with the strictest confidentiality in place. The method (based on systems thinking) and tools (using system dynamics modelling) is another notable differentiator from traditional planning approaches. The ViewPoint Model uses non-traditional mathematical toolsets to forecast project outcomes and costing as it relies on non-linear approaches, while current toolsets are still linear in nature.

Because the system dynamic tools can forecast (i.e. thermodynamics for weather forecast), it was also able to 'backcast' and provide proof of why (the cause) there was a deviation from the expected project outcome. The VPM (included an Impact Analyzer tool) was used in various out-of-court-settlement arrangements to claim from service & support suppliers compensation (for example failed SAP projects). The exposure of such work studies and mentioning of clients is from a legal perspective not permitted. Hence, the verifiable evidence from only two work studies are attached, but therefore from two highly respected organisations are mentioned in the Reference section. Actually, I should remove the references 11 & 12 - it is just not appropriate for a Wikipedia. Allow me to re-think the wordings for making it notable and see if I can create a workaround for the before-mentioned situation. Thank you again for taking the time to respond in such a nimble manner. I truly appreciate your comments.

Perhaps, some of the information of my response would be meeting the criteria 'notable'? Please let me know if you consider the "backcasting and forecasting capability of the ViewPoint Model" is making it a notable entry!? Greetings, Zsoltnyiri (talk) 23:03, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

Request on 03:42:22, 15 May 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Brett Layman

• Brett Layman (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Eco-Simulator (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi, I wanted to ask about my article Eco-Simulator, and why it has been rejected. I understand the reasons given on my user talk page, but I don't understand how it is different from similar pages that exist. Here are some other pages that have the same issues that were brought up with my page:

Critterding

Evolve_4.0

Framsticks

Polyworld

I am wondering if there is something I need to do to my article to put it in the same category as these other articles. Is there something I am missing that these other articles have? Is it something about how it is composed or framed? It just seems like my article is being held to different standards and I'm not sure why. Thank you for helping to clarify this confusion for me.

Brett Layman (talk) 03:42, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

That's WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS and if those are not notable programs then they should be deleted. The main thing is to find secondary sources that talk about the product. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:37, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Brett Layman, I AFD'ed Critterding but the others have books and journal articles that discuss the simulators in some detail. For example: Framsticks [1] [2] Evolve 4.0 [3] [4] Do you have similar ones for your article? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:45, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Brett Layman, it looks like Evolve 4.0 was deleted, but Critterding is on the borderline because of the research articles. If you have similar research articles maybe from searching "scholar" then you can cite those. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:43, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

I see, thanks for the clarification. -Brett

Draft: Jill Stein (OBE)

Hello there,

Can you take another look at my page for Jill Stein (OBE) please - additional references have now been added.

Thanks you,

Dave

Please add more detail on her career in the biography / career section. You can mention how they had bought a nightclub prior to the business. Also when did the business expanded from the single restaurant, and when she opened other restaurants. Also more detail as to her career after the divorce. The article needs more news sources about Jill. Also please mind WP:COI and disclose that if you are connected to her business in any manner as the article was recently deleted a day or two ago because that editor was named after their restaurant, and had copy-pasted her biography from their website. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:35, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Thief of Talent

Thank you, Angus WOOF, great suggestion. Will do for all subsequent student work. *Yseut229* (talk) 16:39, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your comprehensive edits!

I was amazed at all the work you did on my draft. Thanks again. I have several photos of me playing with various artist but unfortunately wiki commons wouldn't allow me to upload them. Jerry "Fireman" Smith 01:24, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Jerry "Fireman" Smith, can you find some sources besides wikitree? I don't know if that will pass as a reliable source. You don't need to disclose birthday information unless it's been publicized in a magazine / newspaper or on your official website AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:48, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Joel's article "Luna Parc": removal of all External Links

Hi AngusWOOF,

Doggonit, you're good.  ;-) (sorry, bad pun on your name).

You've done some great work in Wikipedia (including today on my draft article "Luna Parc"). I see it clearly. Thank you on behalf of Wikipedians everywhere.

Pursuant to WP:ELMINOFFICIAL "only one official link is included" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ELMINOFFICIAL), you've removed all but 1 external link from the Wikipedia "Luna Parc" article (https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Luna_Parc&diff=897247707&oldid=897247635).

I think this Wikipedia policy means: within the External Links section, do not include more than 1 link to the Subject's official website(s).

As an example, the External Links section of Wikipedia's "Johnson & Johnson" article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_%26_Johnson) should only include 1 official website. The logical selection is Johnson & Johnson's main website (https://www.jnj.com/). Wikipedia articles should not serve as the index to all 400+ of Johnson & Johnson's official websites (https://www.janssen.com/, https://www.jnjmedicaldevices.com/global, https://www.biosensewebster.com/, https://www.depuysynthes.com/, https://www.neutrogena.com, https://www.biosensewebster.com/, https://www.safetyandcarecommitment.com/, https://www.jnjinnovation.com/, etc). Instead, the Subject entity Johnson & Johnson can maintain such an index.

I think this Wikipedia policy (this section, and other sections of WP:EL)(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links) is explicitly not intended to restrict total External Links to only 1 link.

It is entirely appropriate, compliant with Wikipedia policy, and an excellent value-add for Wikipedia encyclopedic articles to include multiple links in the "External Links" section, albeit only when such links meet the criteria for inclusion. Examples of such link inclusion criteria:

• External Link contain further research that is accurate and on-topic
• External Link contains information that could not be added to the article because of copyright issues
• External Link contains information that could (or should) not be added to the article due to the amount of detail
• External Link contains other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy
• External Link contains content that is proper in the context of the article (accurate, relevant, useful, tasteful, informative, factual, etc.)
• External Link contains content that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject
• each External Link points to a separate website under separate control, not to various pages within a single website
• each External Link points to a website whose content is accessible to the reader (not a dead link, not behind a paywall)

Here are 5 examples of multiple External Links within mature Wikipedia articles:

 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum_of_Modern_Art             has 9 external links
 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Museum_of_Jurassic_Technology    has 5 external links
 3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Building                has 2 external links
 4) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty                has 10 external links
 5) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Canyon                     has 10 external links

Accordingly, I believe the removed External Links should be reinstated.

Thank you,
Joel
JoelDougal (talk) 02:28, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

• JoelDougal, some of them could be added back. Others can go to the talk page as {{refideas}} if they are future references. The Foundation link isn't necessary since it can be accessed from the official website. Also, outside of the official website itself, if the external link is already used as a citation, it doesn't need to be listed in the External links. Some of the episodic YouTube videos are like that. The nice thing is that plenty of different television shows and news sources have written independently about Luna Parc and those are already cited. The external links don't need to be a listing of every last news search for the place. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 03:45, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

• AngusWOOF, I completely agree with everything you say here. I'll implement accordingly. Thank you for your clarity and guidance.

Adding reliable sources to the Benedict-Savant series article.

Hello, thank you for your comments on the Benedict-Savant article. In saying that the article is not adequately supported by reliable sources, does this mean I would need to add more sources that are reliable, or have to replace ones that are not seen as being reliable. And would this just be my use of the author's blog site? Thank you!

Lianne99 (talk) 10:32, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Lianne99, I would add more external news articles (not author's site) that cover the book series. Reviews from Publishers Weekly, School Library Journal, Kirkus, New York Times, Guardian. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:45, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

David Winker

Good evening. I wanted to reach out on the page I posted on Miami attorney David Winker. I haven't done this before, but was a little surprised that he didn't meet the notability standards.

I got involved in this bc I was going to do some revisions to the ULTRA music festival page on the festival leaving Miami (because of his litigation on their move to an environmentally sensitive barrier island) and was surprised to see his name wasn't listed, as he has been involved in the Beckham soccer stadium fight and seems to be in the paper down here every day.

I have no dog in this fight and am not trying to change your mind, just wanted to express my surprise.

Thanks for all you do, Julian Puddy123 (talk) 02:32, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Puddy123, he seems to be mentioned in a lot of local legal issues, but those news articles just list him as involved and giving an opinion as a passing mention. Perhaps if his biography were expanded to describe what his major events he participated in? But the main thing is to establish his notability for Wikipedia purposes, which means WP:BIO and WP:GNG. That's why I was asking for three key sources. See WP:THREE. If you got that, then you can convince people he is notable. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:37, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Angus, thanks for the guidance. Whether this article gets published or not, I have learnt a lot in this process as I wanted to get more active in editing and creating pages.

I have included below three articles that I believe show Winker's involvement in some pretty important issues that have repurcussions both in Miami and internationally. This guy has caused David Beckham to not get his stadium in Miami and moved ULTRA out of Miami, by exposing some pretty nasty corruption.

If you look at the ULTRA page, you can see where I was going to put him in (the articles cited in the entry mention him btw):

The following month, Miami was sued again by the Brickell Homeowners Association, who alleged that the city violated its charter by misrepresenting its agreement with the festival as being a "license" but appearing to be a lease, which requires competitive bidding under Florida law. Judge Rodolfo Ruiz denied a motion requesting an emergency injunction.[123][124]

Here are the 3 articles:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article224950735.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/sports/soccer/david-beckham-miami-mls.html

https://www.law.com/dailybusinessreview/2019/03/15/ultra-music-festivals-2019-edition-hangs-in-balance-in-miami-courtroom/

If you think this gets him over the notability line, I can revise the article to reflect the importance of these cases and his involvement.

Again, either way I appreciate your time.

Thanks, Julian

Those articles only show passing mention of Winker that he was involved in the cases, but that it doesn't really explain his career. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 01:03, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

VPReloaded (car crew) re-submission review

Hi AngusWOOF, Thank you for the initial review on my submission. I made a few changes to my post. Would you kindly please give me your opinion ?

Kind regards, ZoBuyani

Review: HorrorConUK

Thank you so much for you help so far AngusWOOF, I have continued to improve the article.

I have now added 17 references covering past events and can add a few more but wanted to check with you first because all I can find, particularly for the most recent event, are videos. I have added three good ones but before I continue, I wanted to ask if adding more was a good and necessary idea.

Thank you for your time on this and for your dedication to improving Wikipedia. Darkerglobe (talk) 14:41, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Videos are okay if they aren't copyright swiped or someone's personal coverage of the event. If they're cited by news broadcasts or bigger then you can use cite episode for those shows. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 14:52, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

The last 3 I added were interviews with guests at this year's event by Slime House, a YouTube channel that seems to focus on horror related topics. I would not describe them as "big" at all. But they are clearly shot at the event, with the guests in question, and are of a high quality.

This is the Wikipedia page I based the HorrorConUK one on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypticon Darkerglobe (talk) 15:18, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Some of the YouTube videos are on the borderline for RS which is why I was hoping there would be more coverage from regular local newspapers. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:42, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

NPR Newsletter No.18

Hello AngusWOOF,

WMF at work on NPP Improvements

Niharika Kohli, a product manager for the growth team, announced that work is underway in implementing improvements to New Page Patrol as part of the 2019 Community Wishlist and suggests all who are interested watch the project page on meta. Two requested improvements have already been completed. These are:

• Allow filtering by no citations in page curation
• Not having CSD and PRODs automatically marked as reviewed, reflecting current consensus among reviewers and current Twinkle functionality.

Reliable Sources for NPP

Rosguill has been compiling a list of reliable sources across countries and industries that can be used by new page patrollers to help judge whether an article topic is notable or not. At this point further discussion is needed about if and how this list should be used. Please consider joining the discussion about how this potentially valuable resource should be developed and used.

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• Following a request for comment, the subject-specific notability guideline for pornographic actors and models (WP:PORNBIO) was removed; in its place, editors should consult WP:ENT and WP:GNG.

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Draft:Welcome Tour

You declined Draft:Welcome Tour because it needs more news sources about the tour that aren't coming from fan sites. However, I've been having difficulty finding news sources about the tour that aren't from fan sites. Could you help me please? CHICHI7YT (talk) 00:39, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

CHICHI7YT, how about more newspapers or magazines? If the fan site has archives of news clippings covering the show you can cite those newspaper writeups. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 02:33, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, my main source for the draft was this. However, the page doesn't show news clippings, only posters for gigs. I don't think posters are a reliable source for a Wikipedia article. CHICHI7YT (talk) 02:58, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

CHICHI7YT, posters and Santana's website only show that they toured. If there are magazine writeups or news clippings that would be better. They can be offline, but they need to be articles that someone who has access to them at a library or whatever can dig up . Look for headlines like "Santana announces Welcome Tour." or "Santana Welcome Tour" How did you know that they changed lineups on a certain venue? Or that they played to 65,000 people at a certain place. There must be news articles for stuff like that.AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:41, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

CHICHI7YT, Here's a nice collection put together by a fan site for The Band when they toured with Bob Dylan in 1974. [5] If there's something similar, you could cite those news articles. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 19:09, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, it turns out the info about Santana changing lineups on a certain venue comes from a memoir by Carlos Santana called The Universal Tone: Bringing My Story to Light. It is okay if I use that book as a reference? CHICHI7YT (talk) 19:23, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

CHICHI7YT, it would be a primary source, but it at least has information that he publicized. A biography for Santana would be secondary and could be used for that too. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:16, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, I used another book as a reference in my article. It is a biography of Santana from 2006. However, should I add citations for pages I used in the books for reference? CHICHI7YT (talk) 01:37, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

CHICHI7YT, you can if it helps. There's a way to do so like with Anthony Field. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 05:27, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

AngusWOOF, for the article to be accepted, what is my next step to improve it? CHICHI7YT (talk) 15:52, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

Jill Stein (restaurateur) page

Hello there,

Are we in a position with the content to put this page live now?

Many thanks,

Dave

There still isn't enough information on Stein herself, like what specific roles she did and when she opened up more businesses. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:37, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

MOVE IT Math Article

Hey! I saw that the article was declined because you said that it looks like a brochure. Any suggestions to make it better? I think that this is a great subject that deserves to be written about. I wrote it like that based off the Sylvan Learning Wikipedia page which looks very similar.

Please find more secondary sources that discuss the organization. It needs those to meet WP:ORGCRIT AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:36, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Request for help with AfC submission by Ayah Osama fgs

Hello Can I please ask for your help regarding the article I submit to publish. I need your assistance regarding whether I should edit more to be published or wait until reviewed so it’s eligible for publishing.

Thanks in advance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Azizi_Developments

197.60.37.73 (talk) 18:22, 20 May 2019 (UTC)Ayah Osama fgs

Request to help with the submission of wikipedia page of Sanskar Educational Group

Hi AngusWOOF, I have updated the article based on your comments. I have deleted most of the text which did not have adequate resources. Can you please review again if further changes are needed to publish it?

Thank you very much.

Regards, Amit

Amit de (talk) 14:09, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Issues sent to dispute resolution

Hi AngussWOOF. Because our progress on the "National drinks" page was somewhat stalled I sought the assistance of dispute resolution: {{drn-notice}}. Hopefully you're willing to particpate in the process and with the help of other editors we can move forward. Thanks, BrieDeChevre (talk) 14:31, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

BrieDeChevre, thanks, I have aired my concerns there. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:08, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello AngusWOOF. User: Robert McClenon closed the case on the dispute resolution noticeboard and so please see his comments. As I interpret what he said, we should move the draft into article space and then on the article's talk page copy and paste our discussion that we've had on the draft's talk page and see then what editors think. My understanding is that there isn't an issue with a "redirect" because there is no "National drinks" page. Do you agree with my interpretation? If not, what do you think our next step should be? Thanks. 76.167.176.54 (talk) 23:39, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Jane Suiter

hi AngussWOOF. I've blitzed Draft:Jane Suiter since you declined the original creator's version 2 months ago, and was wondering if you could have another look at it? Bogger (talk) 16:40, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft: Serial Box

Hello AngusWOOF,

I created a draft for Serial Box and it was deleted. I used what you recommended to fix the article and I submitted it for review. Could you take another look whenever you get a second? I really appreciate your assistance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Serial_Box Sthreadgill (talk) 18:25, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi AngusWOOF,

I see that you may have missed my comment earlier, so I just wanted to send this to the top of your inbox. I really would love if you could help me get my page approved. Have a great weekend!!

Sthreadgill (talk) 16:01, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Comment

Thanks for the ping and press at Draft talk:Elena Matei. I can only assume (on the basis of date) that I am likely the editor that "denied" the subject. I am much more interested in the article quoting a "Joe DiRosa", given that the first draft of Draft:Elena Matei was created by a User:Joedirosa around the same time... this might explain the consistent appearance of random ip editors on the article. Thanks again.--SamHolt6 (talk) 18:41, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

SamHolt6, it looks like one of the IP editors wrote a big essay on why she should have an article, but it still cites those primary source interviews. Ugh, can't the editors find secondary source articles on her? Then it'd be easy to add. I've seen stub model pages like Chase Carter based on those non-interview articles. (Oops I actually didn't approver Carter's article, another editor did, but I checked the references and they were pretty good RS'es.) AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:13, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Creating Draft:UserboxCOI=Dearfoams

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Dearfoams&redirect=no

Responding to your initial question on May 16, about the page. I was attempting to create a page about the Dearfoams brand that would provide more information specifically about the brand that would then link to/from the R.G. Barry Corporation page.

On May 18 the page got deleted by another user, how should I resubmit with edits?

Kindly,

Nchalk0131 (talk) 14:51, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Nchalk0131, the Dearfoams information can be added to the RG Barry page. I don't think there's enough information and sources for Dearfoams itself for its own page at this point. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:04, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

Cafetran Espresso

Thanks for reviewing my nascent page on Cafetran Espresson. I am not quite certain to understand why this page causes so much problem. To be honest, I did not want to create it in the first place. However, an editor kept removing all mentions of the software from the CAT software comparison, for lack of notability (while the said page lists software with a lower user-base than Espresso). I will keep trying to include more external references and get the page accepted (BTW, I am not a developer of the software. Just a user, who was very grateful to find it, in a domain where there is an almost monopoly of tools under Windows, with a few under Mac, and almost nothing under Linux. Certainly not of the quality and versatility of Espresso). NB: while I appreciated your nice message on my talk page, I am actually not a new contributor. I edited WP way before you. Nicolas Gambardella Le Novère (talk) 23:17, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Nicolas Gambardella Le Novère, no worries, I think the Teahouse thing just plops the Welcome message regardless of the user's status. But yes, the main concern I had was that it was full of TM marks everywhere like it was copied from a brochure, and then there were no secondary sources to meet WP:GNG, hence the advertising tone. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:05, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

I actually put the TM mark on purpose. I thought it was mandatory for a trademarked name. However, I now realised that this is not the case on WP. So I'll remove them. Thanks for the info. Nicolas Gambardella Le Novère (talk) 07:15, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Roger Chung

Dear Angus,

Thank you for your help in reviewing the draft and your comments are very helpful in coming edits. I will edit the article according to your suggestions. Please allow me more time to edit the draft and not deleting the draft ><

ThanksClhy (talk) 03:24, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Clhy, it would need a complete rewrite so that it doesn't sound like a eulogy or profile that praises the subject. See WP:NPOV. Also if you are connected to the subject in any manner you need to declare conflict of interest. WP:COI. If his main occupation is being a professor, then work on that and show how he meets WP:NACADEMIC. If his main occupation is being in a music group then you need to show news sources that enable him to meet WP:MUSICBIO. The Bill Murray thing is just a hobby that would go in Personal life along with his family members. You also need to use secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Look for news articles that discuss his life and career, not ones from his website or school or fans. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 04:03, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Totally understood that I will need to rewrite it. I am asking for keeping the draft because I spent almost a day to create the Infobox..... I just wish to keep that part so I don't have to build it again in the future.....

I am the employee of the subject. I work for him. I read from the article wizard that I just need to declare the conflict of interest in my page, which I already did. Please advise how should I do it if it is not sufficient or I didn't do it right.... I am still quite confused with the functions in the wiki at the moment so I really appreciate all sorts of help and comments.Clhy (talk) 05:03, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

The infobox can be created later. I would try to rewrite the article using only material gathered from news articles and journals, not his website. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:35, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

CafeTran

Hi Angus. I get the impression that the CafeTran draft page is automatically resubmitted for review every so often. Is that the case? Well, it's shouldn't -- I'm sure we'll see a lot of edits in the next few days as users update it with content and references, and eventually ask for it to be re-reviewed, and it's not necessary to re-review automatically it all the time. Also, a lot of my notes are still sitting in the Talk page. Or, do I understand those review messages incorrectly? --leuce (talk) 15:32, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

leuce, I suggest holding off from resubmitting the article until there's enough notability presented that it would meet WP:GNG and notability for software. If it's not ready it will be rejected again, and if it's resubmitted without improvement multiple times, then AFC reviewers might bring it up for deletion per WP:MFD and WP:DMFD AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 15:42, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Do I understand correctly that it is not submitted automatically every now and then? --leuce (talk) 15:58, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

leuce, it's not submitted automatically, but anyone could press the resubmit button. If it's idle for six months, it gets archived, but even then it can be recovered. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:20, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

leuce, the pricing information doesn't need to be specified down to the actual numbers, unless that part is important. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:24, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

Thanks... what I've written is actually already whittled down from a more comprehensive list that I made. I intended to show that the price used to be high, then dropped significantly, and then gradually increased again at key moments. I'm not sure if it is "important", though -- the pricing would be interesting to translators who have bought CAT tools in the past two decades, because some other CAT tools at the time had very high prices, and there was a time when CafeTran was classified as a "cheap" CAT tool. I originally tried to omit the current price, but could not figure out how to write it elegantly :-) I'll keep your comment in mind. --leuce (talk) 16:38, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

I think I've done as much as I can. It was interesting, if nothing else. --leuce (talk) 10:40, 25 May 2019 (UTC)