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May 26

Regarding edits.

Shamsheer Vayalil (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Shamsheer vayalil parambath wikipedia page doesn't contains alma mater information.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 223.230.168.24 (talk • contribs) 26 May 2019 07:24 (UTC)

Hello, if you have information in this respect, please feel free to add it to the page but please provide a reliable source. Thank you. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) Eagleash (talk) 11:18, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Note The infobox previously contained the information, but it was disrupted by a misplaced, unsupported and malformatted parameter.  Fixed. Eagleash (talk) 11:26, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Editing

I've tried several times to edit the page, "Treasure In search of the Golden Horse" each time my edit is deleted. After spending 60 hours on this task, I must be doing something wrong. There is a new book explaining the true solution to this puzzle, which the world should know about. Is there someone (an editor) that can edit the page for me? Thanks, Momazogie (Redacted) Momazogie (talk) 09:53, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Momazogie: The only saved edits at Special:Contributions/Momazogie and the page history [1] are [2] from 16 April where you added a line to the See also section. The section is only for links to other Wikipedia articles and your addition was reverted. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:11, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Momazogie: Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you want them to be permanently removed from the page history, please email oversight-llists.wikimedia.org. –FlyingAce^✈hello 15:40, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Replacing an article with another one

I'm not sure if I've done this correctly - there was a page called "Lucy Gray" which was about a poem of that name. However I wanted to write an article about a person with the same name, so I've renamed that page to "Lucy Gray (poem)" and written a page about LG on a page "Lucy Gray". Could someone please check that this all as it should be? Do we also need a disambiguation page now for the poem, the person, and there's an album as well? TIA! MurielMary (talk) 10:02, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Looks like it's been changed for you. I don't think the WP:BLP is the primary topic, so it's been moved to Lucy Gray (activist) Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:27, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm also not 100% sure they are notable enough for a page, but that's just a feeling. Could be wrong. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:28, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@MurielMary: People don't automatically take precedence over other topics. The poem still looks like the primary topic so I have moved Lucy Gray (poem) back to Lucy Gray and moved the person to Lucy Gray (activist). In either case, the page at Lucy Gray should provide a way to navigate to the other articles. I have added the activist to the hatnote. If Lucy Gray (poem) had still be an article then the hatnote should have been removed since "(poem)" makes the subject unambiguous. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Great, thanks for that PrimeHunter, much appreciated. MurielMary (talk) 11:41, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

On This Day … 

I make a lot of use of the Wiki pages that detail events on each day in history.

The ones like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_10

Each page is reasonably extensive: and includes links to the equivalent pages on the BBC‘s site: and that New York Times do, and the relevant page on the Canada Channel’s ‘Today In Canada’s History’ pages.

I have to ask: is there an equivalent for Australia, and New Zealand?

I believe it would be useful to each page

I know I’d find it handy: it would boost the range … — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cuddy2977 (talk • contribs) 26 May 2019 11:46 (UTC)

Cuddy2977 So you want to add entries to the "External links" section in each of the date articles? Probably the place to discuss this is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Days of the year. If you don't already have a proposal for particular useful links, perhaps first consult the WikiProjects for those countries: Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:14, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

A couple per day, : Bhunacat10, yes. I’ll ropiest to the page you suggested: but wouldn’t know what would be good sites to suggest, I’m in the UK … 

Cuddy2977 (talk) 10:51, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Foreign words in article

Hi! Recently, I created this template, and I want to begin filling the red links from the muktamar. I have several problems with this, is the term muktamar compatible in Wikipedia? Muktamar itself is an Indonesicized Arabic word that has been used frequently by Islamic organization. The words' literal meaning is congress (for political party context).

Can someone help me solving this? What title should I use, with muktamar or congress?--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 14:09, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

No definition of the word "muktamar" appears in any dictionary that I can find, so it would not be appropriate for a Wikipedia article (though "Muktarmar" appears in Wikipedia as a name). The usual convention is WP:COMMONNAME. Dbfirs 15:28, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Merritt Island High School

Hi guys not sure if this is a qualifier but under notable alumni for Merritt Island high school Jeff Wickersham was a 3 year starter for the LSU football team and was drafted by the Miami Dolphins thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jffcpr295 (talk • contribs) 18:33, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

The qualifier is simple: If the subject is notable (see WP:N) then the subject can and should have a Wikipedia article. If the subject does not have a Wikipedia article, then don't put him in the list. -Arch dude (talk) 18:52, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

"He was drafted by the Miami Dolphins"- did he play an NFL game for them? If so, he's probably notable enough for an article. Joseph2302 (talk) 23:30, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

He has an article already: Jeff Wickersham. He played in the CFL so WP:NGRIDIRON is satisfied. I'll add him to the school's alumni list. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:10, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Fair use vs. Public domain

Hi all! I am working along with other Wikipedians on recently approved DYK article George Beauchamp (RMS Titanic). There's already a free picture of him at 24 in 1912. I found this picture where he's pictured in 1965 shortly before his death. The copyright holder is unclear. Can it be used as fair use? or already having a public domain picture is enough? Best wishes. --LLcentury (talk) 22:44, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

• To be honest, the new picture is of such poor quality that I don't think it adds anything to the article anyway. Black Kite (talk) 22:49, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

@Black Kite: Yes, I know that, but it was 1912. So, you mean we could use fair use for the 1965 pic? Thanks again. --LLcentury (talk) 22:55, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

• Edit: Oh you mean the 1965 pic, sorry, I completely misunderstood you. --LLcentury (talk) 22:56, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

• Yeah, if anything the 1965 pic is worse than the 1912 one, and of course it was the 1910s when he became notable, so that picture is more relevant anyway. Black Kite (talk) 22:59, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

LLcentury, I don't believe you can claim fair use here for a portrait of a non-living person if there's already a free image available – see criterion 1 of our non-free content policy. Your article has other problems: I moved it to draft space because I thought it needed a good deal of work before it could survive in mainspace. Specifically, the sources are mostly very poor – Google is a just search engine, so its results are not reliable; the Sun is a tabloid rag; the encyclopedia-titanica is user-submitted content, so not reliable by our standards. Then I realised that most of the content had anyway been copied from that source, so I'm afraid I've blanked the page. I'll post on your talk-page in a moment. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:22, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

... and ping LLcentury after fail. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:23, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

I've done my best to re-write the article. Hope I contributed. --LLcentury (talk) 00:44, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

May 27

ticketing scam

i just booked a rt ticket from cebu to sydney.i paid the ticket thru my paypal account, upon checking my pay pal account and charges were posted in my account. i called cebu pacific about my ticket and they said it's not yet paid and they want me to book another ticket which cost me more on the same flight.paypal is filing a case in my behalf to get my money back.thanks, canares.a2601:645:C100:50F0:8411:3B9C:CC3D:DD39 (talk) 02:35, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

2601:645:C100:50F0:8411:3B9C:CC3D:DD39 Greetings. This is Wikipedia help desk and we sorry to hear about your situation; however, we are not able to help. You might want to contact paypal instead. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 02:50, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Concern about reasons for Keith264's reversion of addition to "Further reading" of Attack on Mers-el-Kébir

Keith 264 persists in reverting my addition without giving any reason, other than "not notable", which is difficult to understand. Jean Boutron was secondary artillery officer on the Bretagne, and was miraculously fished out of the oily water. His account of the days and hours waiting to be shelled by HMS Hood, and of the negotiations, and of the aftermath of the disaster, is unique, as is also his reaction : "The British have sunk me, but the Germans are sleeping in my bed, and I shall therefore join the British to continue the fight". Which he did, after being very active in the Alliance network, working with the Intelligence Service. His book is surely worthy at least of a place in "Further Reading" ? Christopher Thiéry Christopher Thiéry (talk) 11:19, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

I admit that Keith-264 often has a harsh approach but in this case he certainly has a point. I fail to verify the existence of this book... The Banner talk 11:31, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

@The Banner: It certainly does exist: here is an entry at the National Library of Australia. Triptothecottage (talk) 12:05, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Interesting, as it is on the French title. So, yes, the book exists. Then Keith can explain why he calls the addition spamming. The Banner talk 13:08, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

@Christopher Thiéry and Keith-264: At this point it would be better to discuss the addition of this book in the article's talk page so that a consensus can be reached. –FlyingAce^✈hello 15:31, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

As the comments above demonstrate the book is not notable, the repeated addition of it without discussion is spamming. Quite why this is "harsh" I don't know. Keith-264 (talk) 17:10, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

WP:Notability refers to articles. Books in a Further reading section need only provide the reader with "additional and more detailed coverage of the subject of the article" and be topical, balanced, reliable.... See WP:Further reading. MB 17:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Secondhand-Merchandise

Need help to do an article about this small online store (https://secondhand-merchandise.com) selling new and used merchandise that accepts bitcoin and Litecoin for payments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sampuzo (talk • contribs) 13:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

@Sampuzo: This store would only merit an article if it gets significant coverage(not just mere mentions or basic announcements) in independent reliable sources that show how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable business, written at WP:ORG. If there are no such sources, it would not merit an article at this time. 331dot (talk) 13:27, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Change got reverted as "not constructive"

I recently added information to Template:AM4_chipsets about the new X570 chipsets. This change got reverted pretty quickly: my change, reverting change

The user who reverted the edit left me a talk message (User talk:Dunedan), stating that my edit "did not appear constructive", but didn't explain why he considered it not constructive. So that's question now: Why was my edit considered not constructive? What should I've done differently? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dunedan (talk • contribs) 18:21, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Please discuss this with that user, either on your talk page, or the usr's talk page, or the template's talk page. make sure you inform the user of you discussion. -Arch dude (talk) 18:23, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Just for reference, the user that reverted you is actually User:CLCStudent. I'll take a look at the added info for you. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:33, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Your edit was good and has been restored. The revert of your edit was a mistake as shown at your talk. In general, the correct place to discuss an edit (or a revert of an edit) is on the talk page of the page where the edit occurred. However, where someone has left you a standard message, responding as you did at your talk is good. Johnuniq (talk) 01:58, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Adding page summary

When I search on the main Wikipedia screen I see a small summary (for example, when I search Elizabeth II, a small summary saying 'Queen of the United Kingdom and other Commonwealth realms' appears under). I have created a page ,that is up on the English Wikipedia (Iona Lake), and I would like to add one of these one line summaries. Is this an automatic process or will I be able to add it? And if so, how do I? Thank you Willbb234 (talk) 20:54, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Willbb234 You need to add the {{short description}} template to the article, although it does eventually get brought in through wikidata. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:58, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I have read and added a short description! Regards Willbb234 (talk) 21:15, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

@Willbb234: That worked fine. I changed the short description slightly to add the year of birth, which is the helpful for biographies of living people.--Gronk Oz (talk) 11:25, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Why “Fewer than 30 watchers” instead of exact number?

This is not an urgent question, I am just curious about why the exact count of watchers is not displayed if below <30. --Chanc20190325 (talk) 23:17, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

I think it's a security-type feature; one can more "safely" vandalise an unwatched page or a page with very very few watchers. See this edit, in which I reverted vandalism that was more than two weeks old, and if I'd not happened upon the article in the process of adding content to a large batch of similar articles, the vandalism might have been there for months. They don't want to make it clear how many people are watching a page, since 30 is a significant number and 0 or 1 isn't. The same reason is the basis for restricting Special:UnwatchedPages access to administrators only. Nyttend (talk) 01:32, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

May 28

Hello, I can prove it

Hi!, we're having a mess with the death date of George Beauchamp (sailor), but I can prove his death date by the National Archives of the UK, but can't really afford the payment. Please, I am not asking Wikipedia to pay for it, just asking if there's a free form to access to that certificate. Best wishes. --LLcentury (talk) 11:00, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

That would be a primary source. Wikipedia prefers secondary sources that are easily available for checking. Has no newspaper printed an obituary? Dbfirs 11:10, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi Dbfirs, yes, some say he died during World War II in 1944, (mostly the newspapers), but the books I cited say he died April 5 1965. I am so confused. Thanks. --LLcentury (talk) 11:12, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, yes, I see that you have already discussed this and found some good sources. I'd leave the article as it is with the references for 1965, but if anyone challenges this, then we should report alternative sources. Dbfirs 11:19, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Perfect, and one last question I promise, when is the tag removable? Does it continue to be disputed? Best wishes and please my apologies for lack of experience on editing and lack of good English language skills. Best wishes. --LLcentury (talk) 11:24, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Depends. Justlettersandnumbers, you added the tags, are they still valid? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:03, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

I believe so, Gråbergs Gråa Sång – there are two conflicting sets of birth-date/age-on-Titanic/death-date data, but only one set is in our page, so its factual accuracy is questionable; I've seen no reliable source that actually states that he was on the Lusitania (also note that sources such as the Independent which report that claim by his family also have him dying in 1944). The sourcing is not good – websites such as www.operahouseplayers.org and wrecksite.eu have copied from encyclopedia-titanica.org, which appears to be user-submitted content; more citations are anyway surely needed. I didn't add the "hoax" tag, but it was added because of the poor text–source integrity, which has been partly remedied. LLcentury, it would be really, really helpful if you would keep all discussion of this article in the place designed for that purpose, Talk:George Beauchamp (sailor); repeatedly starting a new conversation on a new page does not really help anyone, including you. Thanks, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:42, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Removed articile

In 2005 I read an article on Knights of Columbus tactics; this apparently has been removed, can you tell me why. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.193.159 (talk) 11:55, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Yes we can, if you can tell us the exact title of the article. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:22, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

QUESTION

Hello! I am SIBOMANA William,

I want to know how i can join Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by SIBOMANA WILLIAM1989 (talk • contribs)

You have already created an account in the English-language Wikipedia; welcome to the project. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:36, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Hello, SIBOMANA WILLIAM1989, and welcome to Wikipedia. As Orangemike says, you have created an account, and can now edit Wikipedia. If you mean, how can you get an article about yourself in Wikipedia, then the answer is, you can't. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, containing neutral articles about notable subjects, not social media where you can tell the world about yourself. Please study the messages that various people have put on your User Talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 16:28, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Citation formatting on Man Ray page

I am having trouble editing a citation on the Man Ray Wikipedia page. I tried to adapt the citation on the French Wiki page for Adrienne Fidelin, which clearly was not the way to go. Help correcting this problem would be appreciated. Thanks.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaw54 (talk • contribs)

note - article in question is Man Ray Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:28, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

May 29

Question about Visual Editor

Hello everyone. Apologies in advance if this question has already been asked. I prefer editing prose in the visual editor, and I have noticed that sometimes when I use the visual editor, additional spaces are added between paragraphs or between a paragraph and a section title. I have not noticed this happening when doing source editing, so it seems restricted to the visual editor. I was wondering if there was something that I was doing wrong or if it was just a glitch/issue with the visual editor tool. I have noticed this with other articles edited by other contributors too. It is nothing too serious, but I was just curious on why this was happening. Thank you in advance! Aoba47 (talk) 00:26, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Aoba47:! I’m not sure about the solution (I kinda remember having similar issues) but perhaps posting this over at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) could help. On that page it says you should read Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Before posting before posting. Hope this helps! (Also when you hit publish can you still see the additional spaces or is it just while editing?) OkayKenG (talk) 07:23, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Error on Talk:Jennie Alexander

Talk:Jennie Alexander shows "Template:WP Woodworking" rather than "WikiProject Woodworking". I don't know what's causing the error, so I don't know how to correct it. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:25, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

@Teblick: It was just because someone wrote {{WP Woodworking}} inatead of {{WikiProject Woodworking}}.  Fixed Eagleash (talk) 01:40, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Eagleash, thanks for taking care of that. I appreciate your help. Eddie Blick (talk) 01:45, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

User:NeoBatfreak/sandbox

Dear Wikipedia

I have just started a draft of the article of James Patterson's novel Swimsuit. I just ask if there are any advices that you can give me, and also, I would be the appropriate name for this article once I am finished?--NeoBatfreak (talk) 04:26, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Whenever you create an article, you should start by finding references to reliable independent sources that discuss the subject. Then you should study them, and write the article based entirely on what they say. Maproom (talk) 07:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

My Userpage is wrongly categorized

My Userpage is wrongly categorized. Please help me correct it. My Userpage is categorized under Wikipedia Humor and LGBT+ Wikipedians. I don't know why I'm categorized under LGBT+. Please remove it from my Userpage. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jake The Great 908 (talk • contribs) 06:21, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

@Jake The Great 908: I've removed the LGBT category from {{User alien}}, clearly a mistake. The other category will disappear if you edit your user page to change {{humour}} to {{humour|nocat=yes}} -- John of Reading (talk) 06:36, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Bulldog Drummond page spelling error

Page with the error is located at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulldog_Drummond Overview: Paragraph 2 Bulldog Drummond's client name is Phyllis Benton. In the third line of the second paragraph you've misspelled Benton as Bention.

Thank You — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.20.119.240, (talk • contribs) 29 May 2019 10:07 (UTC)

 Fixed Eagleash (talk) 10:38, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Javan Elephant

I’ve tried to edit the Javan Elephant page but my edits are getting reverted by this person called AUH20Republican saying it’s unsourced so, I doing some research and saying it’s sourced from the internet please just speak to him because He or she’s doing something wrong 92.11.252.221 (talk) 10:28, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

I've just reverted your changes again for the same reason that AUH20Republican gave, they are unsourced. To add this claim to the article you need to have a reliable source (seeWP:RS) that clearly supports it. Mikenorton (talk) 12:22, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

And you need to cite the source in the article. It means nothing to say something is sourced without giving the source.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 12:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

It is though! I looked it up I saw YouTube vids just leave it alone it’s sourced!

Merging WikiProjects

Hello, There's talk about possibly merging WP:MCB, WP:GEN, WP:BIOP and possibly WP:COMBIO (discussion). I've a few questions:

1. What's the most logical war to merge their talk page archives? Are there useful precedents?
2. What's the easiest way to merge the various talk page templates whilst retaining some sort of 'task force' tag similar to {{wikiproject medicine}}? Because of the overlapping scopes, many talk pages have have two or three of them.
3. If the projects, WP:MCB has the most equivalents in other languages. Is it logical to effectively merge into it and rename, or effectively tart a new one from scratch?
4. What other processes would been to be done to complete a merge? WP:WikiProject Cell Signaling was just sort of abandoned, and I'd be keen to avoid something similar.

Let me know if there's anything else I'm not thinking of! T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)^talk 12:01, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Map problem

Hi, considering today's featured article – how come the map in the infobox is not displayed (at least on my desktop PC using Firefox) in the read mode, but only in the edit mode?--Hildeoc (talk) 12:40, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

PS: I also disabled my adblock, but the issue still remained.--Hildeoc (talk) 12:44, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

A purge fixed it for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:45, 29 May 2019 (UTC)