Talk:Battle of Berlin

Added War End announcment

Dear Contributors, I have added the front page of Pravda when the Soviet side announced the victory. I think it is important illustration. If disagree please sate here. --Armenius vambery (talk) 05:05, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

I have reverted the addition. It is not specifically relevant to this article (surrender of the City of Berlin was a week earlier) and it is unreadable to most English language readers. -- PBS (talk) 17:07, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Sabaton hint

Hello everybody,

I put hints to the songs of the Swedish metal band Sabaton in the articles to wich their songs relate. Do you think it would be appropriate to put a hint in this article to the Sabaton song Attero Dominatus wich deals with the battle of Berlin?

Thanks for your answers! --Merkið (talk) 15:06, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

No, it's pointless trivia. (Hohum ^@) 15:02, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

The Fuhrerbunker

This should be worked into the article: The French soldiers of the Charlemagne SS were the last defenders of Hitler's bunker, remaining until the morning of May 2. 47.201.190.68 05:36, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

References

No. It is a myth cited to unreliable source author, Jean Mabire. They were not holding anything. The fact is, they were some of the last troops (a mere 30 men left), in the area where the bunker complex was underground (the area, which included the ruins of the Reich Chancellery). Most French SS men then surrendered near the Potsdamer rail station to the Red Army troops. And Weale, who is reliable, does not state that specifically, as implied by including his book cite above. Kierzek (talk) 15:01, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Civilian Circumstances

I wonder if it would be appropriate to add more information on the circumstances surrounding the civilians in this battle. The mass rape of the female population is a significant aspect of the battle.LOGANMCDONALD (talk) 22:31, 14 May 2019 (UTC)

I am not sure. Mass rapes data are based mostly on several anekdotal evidences, which were later extrapolated based on the statistics of abortion rate in one hospital. It is not clear if the rapes during the battle really were massive, an if their scale were greater than the (totally ignored) rapes committed by German military in the Eastern Front. There is a significant controversy around that. Many modern scholars (Heinemann, Bos etc) note that rapes were considered by contemporaries as lesser evil than, e.g., massive bombing raids. They also note that German women were not just innocent victims, they were beneficiaries of the Third Reich's policy, they actively contributed into that, and the modern attempts to attenuate that fact are a part of a more general feminist discourse. In connection to that, I don't understand why killing of German women during American bombing raids is considered an acceptable collateral losses (because German cities, populated mostly by women and children and senior persons were considered a legitimate military target), but raping and killing of German women by Soviet soldiers, whose moral exhaustion was enormous, and incomparable with that of Western Allies, is not considered as a direct result of the land warfare. Note, the American troops who liberated Dachau concentration camp spontaneously executed Nazi guards upon having seen the bodies of thousands camp's inmates, and we perfectly understand that. Now imagine that virtually every Soviet soldier was a witness of much more terrible things during their path to Berlin, and importantly, in contrast to American or British soldiers, the homes of majority of Soviet solders were destroyed by Nazi, and at least one their relative was killed or died from war related disease and starvation. --Paul Siebert (talk) 04:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Are you defending wartime sexual violence as a reasonable practice? Vae victis. Dimadick (talk) 05:07, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Not more than massive conventional/nuclear bombing of cities. --Paul Siebert (talk) 14:09, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Hearing your reasoning for not including it is like listening to a murderer try and explain to the police why it was okay for him to murder. The bombing/nuking of cities was a military action meant to directly affect war effort and save lives in the long run, the other (rape) is a tool of selfishness and terror used against innocent civilians. You're clearly extremely biased and I'm thinking whether or not I should flag you as a disruptive user. Absolutely disgusting.2601:49:1:5316:4593:80AB:ABAE:A9E0 (talk) 20:26, 23 June 2019 (UTC)